Allright, I'm finally home, and this means I can reply to this abomination of a CRT.
I'll tell first my ideas of what the profiles should be, then addess this stuff.
An issue I have with current Pokémon profiles is the following:
All of our Pokémon species profiles assume the Pokémon is wild, Level 100 with perfect IVs, and know every possible move and skill without being trained.
This is straight up bs. The current profiles assume that the average Pokémon has even
egg moves, which, whoever knows a bit about competitive, knows that is impossible to get from a wild Pokémon, as those moves can be get only from really specific breeds. Not to mention that:
- Most of the AP feats are got through feats of trained Pokémon. As an example, all the Stage 1 Pokémon are 7-B from scaling from Dragonair, however, said feat is literally performed from Lance's Dragonair, which is obviously trained and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond the average Dragonair you find in the wild. This is an issue which you find in almost every single calculation regarding the Pokémon verse, almost all of them are done from trained Pokémon. These feats shouldn't be representaive of the whole species, given that we saw that a Base Pokémon can defeat a fully evolved Pokémon of the same evolution line with the right training, and multiple times, in fact. Another example is basically that all the speed feats calculated (except Golem's given that it can do said feat even right after its capture without any training) were done from trained ones, and not wild ones. So a good idea would to get all the feats/statements regarding just wild Pokémon without taking feats made from Pokémon which are under training (unless is explicit that said Pokémon never got a training since capture, making it equal to a wild version of it), to make the profiles of a Pokémon a true average and not a shitty composite with all the dumb high ends lol.
- Because of this mentality, trainers scaling from Legendaries is completely discarded as the Pokémon we have in this wiki are all capped with the highest possible end we have got from this fake average. Trainers literally power-up through the plot and are able to compete with Legendaries, but instead of acknowledging this scaling, we instead scream "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IS OUTLIER/PIS/INCONSISTENCY ONLY THE LEGENDARIES CAN BE THAT STRONG" because the non-legendaries have this arbitrary cap which prevents them from being that powerful. This is a reason why the non-legendary profiles are legit garbage. An idea of mine would simply to get the feats done from just wild Pokémon for the regular mon you find in the wild, and get the high-end feats the trained Pokémon have under the most skilled trainers for the Trainers' profile. So the wiki makes clear the gap between a random wild Pokémon and a Pokémon powered through training.
About the reasons why I agree with the cross-scaling, I'd like to first make
YOU ALL READ THE FOLLOWING BLOG. IS NOT FROM EXECUTORN0, but from an off-site source which tells all the possible links between the various medias. Before addressing my points, you all should read this blog, otherwise is literally just ignoring really important points for the sake of your views. If you don't read this, the counter-point is essentially null.
Not to mention that:
About Manga:
- Pokémon Adventures Manga is a thing in the official website as shown in the blog I've linked, meaning that it has the same relevance as anime and games.
- Pokémon manga follows 100% the rules of the original world, with Nintendo and Satoshi himself recognizing it as a fundamental aspect of the Pokémon world. This wiki's strict rules are something that prevents almost all the users to see it, but if the authors of the original work recognize the mangas as something which reflects completely their POV, and is supported in their official website, showing it as a material on par with games/anime (this being one of the most important examples we can see there, which is even updated), then it has the same relevance as the Movie Pokémon released in the giveaways. The Pokémon world is not something that can be saw entirely in just one media, but needs multiple ones to be seen in 100%, and the authors know that the manga is the way to see the Pokémon world's lore in a closer way than Games and Anime allow, in the same way the Games allow to see the Pokémon world in a way the other two medias can't and so on.
Given that Games, Anime and Manga are essentially the same crap, we can perfectly assume that all of them can cross-scale about wild non-legends. Wild Legendaries too (and I mean
WILD, not the ones owned from trainers), given that in all the medias the capabilities are the same (Kyogre can flood the world, Dialga can manipulate time, Deoxys is an alien which can change forms, etc).
So the things which should cross-scale in short are:
- Main anime series + related movies + adaptations of it through mangas/novels.
- Pokémon Origins/Generations/Evolution/whatever series is released on the official YT channel.
- Main Core Games.
- Pokémon Adventures Manga.
- Pokémon Ranger series.
- TCG.
Crossover Games like Pokémon Conquest shouldn't be allowed obviously, same with obscure-ass mangas like RéBURST or that one with the talking Clefairy which I don't remember how is called. Mystery Dungeon Series shouldn't either, it has its own way to interpret Pokémon which is MUUUUUUUUUCH different from the Adventures Manga, and just doesn't fit unlike the 6 sources I told above.
The 6 sources are only for Wild Pokémon obviously. OP made a pretty good job about telling the differences between the trainers, so each important trainer should get at least 3 profiles for each media they appear in. For example Red has many profiles, and that is good, but Lance's profile is based on just the games, without counting for example that in the manga he's a completely different character both in capabilities and goals.
Not reading all of this of course, I am an human being after all, but I think this wall of text should help about how Pokémon should be handled on this site.
