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Gotta fix these dang kids (Naruto Revisions Part 2: Part I)
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This looks good to me
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Thank you both for the evaluations.
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Luffy goes the blitz
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Lee: "Neji is the strongest Genin"
Neji: *Gets one-shot by Base Naruto
Neji: *Gets one-shot by Base Naruto
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Strength doesn't always mean strength. Almost all Genin would find it very hard to beat his chakra point based fighting style.
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Honestly, like, anyone getting punched on the chin that hard while off-guard by someone even remotely comparable (or not in some cases) would result in them getting knocked out. The chin is kind of a weak spot in that way. Plus, that Naruto had some Kurama chakra in him.Lee: "Neji is the strongest Genin"
Neji: *Gets one-shot by Base Naruto
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Also by that point Naruto had been training and when Lee made that statement it was earlier than that...and also, Lee could be wrong, not all statements are definitive, especially cause Naruto surprised everyone by beating him so they were wrong about his strength...and strategy since that fake out was a good one.
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Also, like, Neji was severely injured by that point anyway, so..
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I find the lack of input on this thread disturbing.
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I agree, I'm guessing the Curse Mark Multipliers will continue for the early Shippuden thread?
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I don't think we agreed on shuppuden sasuke getting the multiplier, i remember someone saying it would be a "possible" but do not quote me on that
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Okay so, not to rush this, but we now have 3 staff approvals (not including myself obviously, since I worked on this) and virtually no objections. Is this fine to apply now, or....?
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Considering that it has been universally agreed upon on this thread, and there's virtually no disagreement, I honestly think this should be applied now.
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Yeah, it's fine to apply.
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In the sandbox, Guren is 7-C but in the justification she is stated to be in the same league as Kimimaro who is High 7-C. Is that an error
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Heh heh, yeah boy.
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Uhhh, yeah. If she scales to Kimi then she should be there I guess. This was probably overlooked by us because Kimi wasn't always High 7-C. Thanks for pointing it out.
And of course, I don't actually know if that scaling is correct or not, but we'll go with it for now until we deal with the non-canon characters in the future. I personally have big plans for Menma lol.
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Yeah, I just forgot to update her.
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I have applied the revision for everyone except Naruto and Sasuke now.
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Naruto's profile is unlocked now, and Sasuke's looks like it is already unlocked.
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And now Naruto and Sasuke are done.
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Well, as crazy as this sounds, a major Naruto revision was concluded within 100 replies lol.
Thanks to everyone who participated and to the staff members who evaluated this, and of course thank you to Tracer for working so hard with me to fix these profiles.
And with that, I guess I should close this now?
Thanks to everyone who participated and to the staff members who evaluated this, and of course thank you to Tracer for working so hard with me to fix these profiles.
And with that, I guess I should close this now?
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Unless anyone has any complaints or concerns, I think we’re done here.
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Welp, see y'all in the next one! I'll be closing this now.
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@GokuSparkle asked me to reopen this thread, so he can comment, but if you want to close it again afterwards, I won't stop you.
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Kurenai's durability section should include the feat of tanking a casual kick from Itachi.
You can argue he was holding back since he wasn't trying to kill her, but he shouldn't have been holding back anymore than he was with Kakashi, or someone would've noticed the massive discrepancy. I'd say her durability is At least 7-C, likely 7-B.
Kushina's chains were said to be able to hold Kurama, which is already accepted as High 6-C+, but this could include Kurama's stronger Bijuudamas which are Low 6-B. At least High 6-C+ seems better since it's unknown whether this was taken into account in Hiruzen's assessment. I suppose Hiruzen doesn't necessarily know Kurama's limits so maybe he doesn't even know what a Bijuudama Flash is. But that's exactly why it's an at least, and not a solid possibly Low 6-B.
Kimimaro was stated to be able to stop Jugo's urges, who's 7-B.
Yet CS2 Kimimaro is currently rated as Low 7-B. I'm not sure what form of Kimimaro this should be applied to, but he's definitely 7-B in CS2 at least. This would make Base Kimimaro at least High 7-C+ (933 kilotons). If you say it shows Child Jugo so he's not as strong, there was a later image of Adult Jugo when Kimimaro was around.
SRA Lee was able to knock away Base Kimimaro and was pretty much stated by Kimimaro to be superior to KM0 Naruto ("He's...not as easy as the others"). Thus, SRA Lee is At least High 7-C, possibly High 7-C+. Not straight up High 7-C+ because the kick was offguard.
And Drunk Lee should get a key where he's Low 7-B for manhandling Base Kimimaro who's at most 1.07x from baseline Low 7-B, and even slightly keeping up with Partial CS1 Kimimaro.
Partial CS1 Kimimaro was able to easily stop a kick from 1st Gate Lee who's 5 times stronger than his base.
Since 1st Gate Lee would be At least High 7-C+, possibly Low 7-B+, Kimimaro's bones are too (which lines up with CS1 being between High 7-C+ and 7-B). This would make SRA Gaara possibly Low 7-B+ too since he could damage Kimimaro even with his bone plating, and his Sand Tsunami would've killed Kimimaro in CS1 or at least inflicted heavy damage since he was forced into CS2.
And with his strongest shield, Gaara's durability is 7-B as he stopped CS2 Kimimaro's strongest attack.
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There does seem to be a pretty big problem with this scaling, as Gaara implicitly stated Lee was weaker than he was at the Chunin Exams.
But this was Lee after using the 1st Gate and feeling the aftereffects, which would be even stronger than usual as he hadn't fully recovered. So since Gaara never saw Lee at FP, his statement isn't very valid.
You can argue he was holding back since he wasn't trying to kill her, but he shouldn't have been holding back anymore than he was with Kakashi, or someone would've noticed the massive discrepancy. I'd say her durability is At least 7-C, likely 7-B.
Kushina's chains were said to be able to hold Kurama, which is already accepted as High 6-C+, but this could include Kurama's stronger Bijuudamas which are Low 6-B. At least High 6-C+ seems better since it's unknown whether this was taken into account in Hiruzen's assessment. I suppose Hiruzen doesn't necessarily know Kurama's limits so maybe he doesn't even know what a Bijuudama Flash is. But that's exactly why it's an at least, and not a solid possibly Low 6-B.
Kimimaro was stated to be able to stop Jugo's urges, who's 7-B.
Yet CS2 Kimimaro is currently rated as Low 7-B. I'm not sure what form of Kimimaro this should be applied to, but he's definitely 7-B in CS2 at least. This would make Base Kimimaro at least High 7-C+ (933 kilotons). If you say it shows Child Jugo so he's not as strong, there was a later image of Adult Jugo when Kimimaro was around.
SRA Lee was able to knock away Base Kimimaro and was pretty much stated by Kimimaro to be superior to KM0 Naruto ("He's...not as easy as the others"). Thus, SRA Lee is At least High 7-C, possibly High 7-C+. Not straight up High 7-C+ because the kick was offguard.
And Drunk Lee should get a key where he's Low 7-B for manhandling Base Kimimaro who's at most 1.07x from baseline Low 7-B, and even slightly keeping up with Partial CS1 Kimimaro.
Partial CS1 Kimimaro was able to easily stop a kick from 1st Gate Lee who's 5 times stronger than his base.
Since 1st Gate Lee would be At least High 7-C+, possibly Low 7-B+, Kimimaro's bones are too (which lines up with CS1 being between High 7-C+ and 7-B). This would make SRA Gaara possibly Low 7-B+ too since he could damage Kimimaro even with his bone plating, and his Sand Tsunami would've killed Kimimaro in CS1 or at least inflicted heavy damage since he was forced into CS2.
And with his strongest shield, Gaara's durability is 7-B as he stopped CS2 Kimimaro's strongest attack.
There does seem to be a pretty big problem with this scaling, as Gaara implicitly stated Lee was weaker than he was at the Chunin Exams.
But this was Lee after using the 1st Gate and feeling the aftereffects, which would be even stronger than usual as he hadn't fully recovered. So since Gaara never saw Lee at FP, his statement isn't very valid.
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No 7-B scaling. The OP very clearly says that we have intentionally not scaled anyone to 7-B.
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Yeah, no. We are not scaling Kurenai to a Sannin+ level character.
Read the note on Lee’s page. There is a reason he isn’t scaled to Kimimaro.
Gaara isn’t the only person who said Lee was weaker. Tsunade said the same thing iirc.
Please read the OP and sandbox more closely, multiple things you said were already adressed.
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Did you read the rest of it? "You can argue he was holding back since he wasn't trying to kill her, but he shouldn't have been holding back anymore than he was with Kakashi, or someone would've noticed the massive discrepancy. I'd say her durability is At least 7-C, likely 7-B." If no 7-B is allowed, then At least 7-C works too. Besides, what durability antifeats does Kurenai have to suggest her dura exclusively doesn't scale that high?
What do you think of the Kushina stuff?
I looked through 210, but I didn't see any mention of Lee being weaker than before. The closest thing I found is this.
But this doesn't state Lee is weaker at all. Just that his body will hurt if he doesn't take it easy. Besides, this is contradicted by Kimimaro's own statement, who knows Lee's power, having felt it on his own body.
As for the thing about his speed and unpredictability, those can be the main reasons Kimimaro was struggling, but Lee still literally knocked him around like a ragdoll on multiple occasions. An 8-B can't do that to a High 7-C, even if he was way faster, his body literally would've just bounced off of Kimimaro. Using those statements as justification to lower his AP is the same as using this statement to say Baryon Mode Naruto isn't stronger than SPSM Naruto/Isshiki.
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