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Goku vs Jotaro, but OP videogames version.

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Hst master said:
@Brown
In the game canon he starts with Ki blasts in his appearances as Xeno Goku, he starts with ki blasts

Goku can not sense his energy to properly hold back in the 1st place

Being an "Unprovoked new enemy" does not warrant Goku will automatically be going hand to hand, that is another assumption on your part

>Blasts against Jiren

>Blasts against Krillin

>Blasts against Bergamo

>Blast against Gravy

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in which case is still irrelevant thanks to Goku's skill
@Paulo

Goku can transform and power up instantly unless it is a form he is inexperienced in for example when he transformed SSJ4 it was instantaneous
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And, again, he's visually a human, and it's not like Jotaro's going to try and take a direct hit, nor would be be unable to use SP to punch defend/counter a direct assault.

>Antagonist

>Sparing with a friend

>Antagonist

>Antagonist

It's an assumption on your part that he wouldn't, seeing how the majority leans towards hand to hand.
 
Ahmm, a lot of goku's Friends and enemies are also human. A strong humanoid is literally nothing new for DB. Goku himself looks human despite being Saiyan. So that's not saying much, he's not going to drop his level just because someone LOOKS human.
 
Yes, humans with incredibly high Ki outputs that he's already aware of and can clearly sense and guage. Jotaro doesn't fit into that criteria, therefore you can't use other ki powered humans Goku personally knows as comparison.
 
You're again, implying that Goku doesn't know the concept of lowering ones power level in order to get the surprise attack.
 
That's again assuming Jotaro has as much skill as Goku, which he doesn't

Saiyans are visually human themselves so what does that matter? Recoome was visually human, being visually human means jack

>They were in a tournament

>So because it's a sparring match means it doesn't count? He started with a blast

>Again tournament

>Had no idea who he was, same boat as Jotaro

You have not given me an majority instance that he fights with hand to hand 1st in his Xeno Goku incarnation, while I've given you several instances that he starts with blasts
 
I'm well aware of this fact, however said characters concealing their power still need to activly power up in order to tap into their hidden power, so even if Goku precieved Jotaro to be someone holding back Ki in a random encounter/duel, his first responce won't be "well shoot, they're prepping to sneak attack me and kill me outright, better fight from a distance and get the jump on em" He'll precieve it as them conserving energy to be used later while they "start small", which, if anything, will prompt him to do the same, specifically in a DUELING SETTING.
 
@SirBrownBear

SPA dictates he's willing to kill, not sparring or it being a mere duel. Don't apply canon Goku's weakness to Xeno Goku.
 
verse equalized =/= every ability is equalized so its comparable

Theres no reason psychic energy would be equal to ki in another universe
 
So Goku would definitely feel that something's off at the very least, meaning he won't drop his guard.

So for the reasons above, I'd vote inconclusive. Goku gets overwritten or Jotaro gets 1-shot by any attack.
 
@Yo Star is visible due to the same reason Shinigami are visible in vs matches

@Brown

You're delibrilately reaching now, this is not some dueling setting, he will attack and even still what did do when he "started small" against Jiren? Blast him.

And even if Goku "starts small" it's still well over Jotaro
 
I think he means that Goku can wish himself the ability to see stands (Or "Let me see the hidden energy I feel!") Or just straight up kill Jotaro for him (As Shenron>large Building Level. the overwrite is only for AP).
 
@HST

False, Jotaro is not invisible, its a invisible attack.

@AK

How do we know he can sense psychic energy? If he could, how would he know to wish to see it?
 
Verse equaliztion doesnt work that way, if it was Hamon, it would work but psychic energy is not a part of chi manip for a reason.
 
I think Stands are stated to be a combination of Life force and Psychic energy.
 
Would it really be in character for Goku to wish his opponent dead with Shenro (doubt it)? But, yeah, he can probably sense Star Platinum, and can probably wish to see it. Jotaro could punch him while he's wishing tho, which would overwrite him, but it doesn't even matter, Goku doesn't even need to see Star Platinum, he just need to hit Jotaro once.
 
@Yobo

Yes it does. If two energies in a series are treated the same way but under different names, it equalizes. Like how Ki = Chakra. I don't say Goku can suddenly use jutsus and do the rasengan, but under verse equalization those two energies are basically the same. For all intents and purposes, Psychic Energy = Ki here.
 
Hst master said:
That's again assuming Jotaro has as much skill as Goku, which he doesn't
Saiyans are visually human themselves so what does that matter? Recoome was visually human, being visually human means jack

>They were in a tournament

>So because it's a sparring match means it doesn't count? He started with a blast

>Again tournament

>Had no idea who he was, same boat as Jotaro

You have not given me an majority instance that he fights with hand to hand 1st in his Xeno Goku incarnation, while I've given you several instances that he starts with blasts
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SP has speed and percise vision, he doesn't need to know martial arts techniques in order to follow and read Goku, especially with equal speed.

Ki, KI! That's the difference

>a tourney that's about the destruction of your universe, not fighting for glory

>a blast he knew Krillin could handle

>see the first point

>an antagonist that was attacking his allies, different scenario

As for your proof of a more often hand to hand opener, very well:

https://youtu.be/C0T7olgy5Fs?t=12s

https://youtu.be/C0T7olgy5Fs?t=5m3s (half goku, so it half counts)

https://youtu.be/C0T7olgy5Fs?t=5m42s

https://youtu.be/DHWK_sGfecc?t=14s

https://youtu.be/DHWK_sGfecc?t=41s

https://youtu.be/44fYQZE8GKo?t=2m45s (two halves make a whole)

https://youtu.be/44fYQZE8GKo?t=5m14s

https://youtu.be/44fYQZE8GKo?t=6m2s

https://youtu.be/44fYQZE8GKo?t=7m7s

https://youtu.be/44fYQZE8GKo?t=10m51s

https://youtu.be/44fYQZE8GKo?t=13m35s

https://youtu.be/44fYQZE8GKo?t=19m48s

https://youtu.be/44fYQZE8GKo?t=20m7s

https://youtu.be/44fYQZE8GKo?t=29m33s

https://youtu.be/44fYQZE8GKo?t=30m18s

I'd keep going, but I think i've made my point
 
Akreious said:
@Yobo
Yes it does. If two energies in a series are treated the same way but under different names, it equalizes. Like how Ki = Chakra. I don't say Goku can suddenly use jutsus and do the rasengan, but under verse equalization those two energies are basically the same. For all intents and purposes, Psychic Energy = Ki here.
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False, only similar powers are equalized, Psychic energy is in no way equivalent to KI
 
Dio didnt need to use The World for overwrite though. Hey, when was it said Jotaro can only do it with Star Platinum?
 
Hst master said:
@Yo
Star is visible due to the same reason Shinigami are visible in vs matches

@Brown

You're delibrilately reaching now, this is not some dueling setting, he will attack and even still what did do when he "started small" against Jiren? Blast him.

And even if Goku "starts small" it's still well over Jotaro
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This is quite literally a dueling setting, what are you talking about? That's the whole point of the arguement... two characters dueling under certain circumstances, in this case it's unspecified, so it defaults to the standard in character and fighting to incap or death.
 
I think (not really sure) it was agreed that we treat Stands as souls, so if you can see souls, you can see Stands, or something like that, but don't quote me on that, I may just be misremembering.
 
I'm not knowledable of JoJo, but just LOOKING at the wiki...

"A Stand is an entity psychically generated by its proprietor, generally referred to as a Stand User (Òé╣Òé┐Òâ│Òâëõ¢┐Òüä Sutando Tsukai)[1]. It is viewed as a physical manifestation of the User's fighting spirit"

Fighting spirit huh? Sounds like a VERY similar description to Ki and how it's treated. Hmmm
 
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