Goku vs Jotaro, but OP videogames version.

[Paulo.junior.969]

Inconclusive, whoever hits first.

 

[HST_Master]

I wasn't responding to you tho =/

Sorry, I just saw the other comments

 

[HST_Master]

Jotaro wins via a much, MUCH more potent and powerful timestop than Goku's ever tackled and reality overide punches. Saying Goku negates Jotaro's (universal spanning mind you) timestop because he resisted Hit's much weaker (in both power and range) version of timestop is like saying anyone that could live through Kid Goku's beam blasts can survive any version after cause they're all the same "beam attack".

In character Goku is going to start out the fight fighting for the sport of it, for fun, so there's no "blitz immeditly" or "IT behind Jotaro and superultrakahamahama point blank" he'll start small to match his opponent and build it up over time when needed. In character Jotaro's not gonna duke it out to have fun, however, he's gonna end the fight as quick as he can, so after he figures out normal blows won't cut it he'll resort to timestop and/or override to put Goku down, who wouldn't have a need to leave base form against (hax aside) would be a standard star platinum.

But how do you know its that much more potent if

A. So far no one has had a good resistance feat to it

B. It's only said to be universal in range, when Goku fought hit he was already 3-A meaning Hit's timestop was working on a 3-A opponent and was resisted by a 3-A opponent

C. This is Xeno Goku not Canon he's not going to start out like that

D. Goku's still 2-B regardless the form Jotaro still gets one shotted

 

[DMUA]

Goku is Goku. There aren't really significant alterations between heroes and the canon version.

 

[HST_Master]

Jotaro via Higher AP

That's via Reality Overwrite which he needs to hit in order to use

 

[SirBrownBear]

But how do you know its that much more potent if

A. So far no one has had a good resistance feat to it

B. It's only said to be universal in range, when Goku fought hit he was already 3-A meaning Hit's timestop was working on a 3-A opponent and was resisted by a 3-A opponent

C. This is Xeno Goku not Canon he's not going to start out like that

D. Goku's still 2-B regardless the form Jotaro still gets one shotted

A. Hit "stops time" in a select area, not in general, it stands to reason that the wider the scope of something, the more powerful and potent it is. It's one thing to halt the flow of time in a single given area, it's another to bring all motion in the entire universe to a halt.

B. Univeral in range still means it affects the entire universe at once, and only spares those with the same ability, an ability that accelerates it's effects, or has reality warping ro negate it. Hit's ability, like many others, requires him to maintain it it's effects with his energy, so Goku resisting it has more to do with overpowering Hit's specific energy output then it does resisting the effects of frozen time.

C. Xeno Goku is still based on canon Goku, so it stands to reason that "character" wise, they're the same, unless specifically shown or stated otherwise.

D. Again, unless this Goku is constantly in the mindset of "kill instantly" and is always at max power outpit for that reason, no he won't.

 

[HST_Master]

@Brown

A. That doesn't mean Jotaro's is more potent, it means it has a wider range, Hit's time stop still worked on and was resisted by someone in a much higher tier, that's like saying you have a person with a sword and a person with a projectile weapon, but the person with the projectile is more powerful because it has more range

And to boot it hasn't been given not 1 good resistance feat

B. That's not it considering Hit was later able to use timestop on Jiren along with the fact Goku was continuously able to resist after going x10 and even after he improved

C. Not only do we have several instances of canon Goku starting off with blasts, they're are several more with Xeno starting off with Blasts

D. What? Goku's 2-B for being able to fight Demigra in base who's 2-B and beat him as a Super Saiyan, and later is able to beat Chamel who's stronger than Demigra in Base

Along with Goku being able to create his own space and slow down time in it to prevent Jotaro from doing anything(He can barely move in Time Stop) Goku one shots

 

[Arigarmy]

Since when?

I mean there's an interview confirming it's a universal range, but think about it: Why would Time Stop have a range that's anything less than universal? It's time itself. Why wouldn't it be by default?

 

[DMUA]

I guess.

 

[SirBrownBear]

@Hst


A. That analogy doesn't work here. Look into the series again and look at how "universal range" stands operate. it's not like standard combat stands where the range refers to how far they can go from the user to attack, it means how far of a range the technique spans. Time Stop, like Made in Heaven, has both a range of and effects the entire universe with their abilities, one stops the flow of time/gravity, the other accelerates it to infinity.

B. And in both instances Hit was straining to hold both back before both ultimatly overpowered him. Hit was holding back during the universe 6 tour, and was flat out overpowered in the multiverse tour, but in both instances his power output was beaten.

C. Even so, they won't be "IT point blank for the kill" shots, they'll be at a reasonable enough distance for Jorato to stop time and get out of the way, or override the attack by punching it out of existance.

D. That doesn't mean he's going to be using striking full force right off the bat just because that's his peak, it's not in his character.

 

[HST_Master]

A. Again that doesn't affect it's potency on other people with resistances to Time Stop, all we know is that it has universal range. Ok, so? If it doesn't have the potency to back it up then it's moot against people with decent time resistance feats and so far Hits Time Stop is City wide but it's still effective enough to stop people on Goku's level

B. Hit wasn't straining to hold back Goku in Time Stop nor was he straining to hold Jiren in the Time Lock, Hits timestop works by gathering time and storing it in his separate dimension, not via maintaining his ki

C. And at that point Goku notices that ability and proceeds to IT spam in multiple directions or create his space to make it easier

D. He doesnt have to, a casual shot from him is good enough, unless you're trying to say Goku would lower himself to High 8-C for no reason

 

[Marco_Shark]

Goku can just resist time stop and use sealing or various consecutive attacks (or the mines used in the Jiren fight, which would be an insta kill for jotaro. Not even Star Platinum could punch away an explotion)


Goku fra

 

[Arigarmy]

Or he could overwrite himself to give him insane buffs

think:

 

[HST_Master]

Considering that Goku can create a space to slow JOTARO down he'd be too slow before a ki blast/power pole/anything Goku has hits him

 

[Marco_Shark]

This.


Goku wins.

 

[Eficiente]

Jotaro ftra.

 

[Marco_Shark]

Why? Goku can slow Jotaro down and either one shot or seal him.

Goku also resists time stop.

 

[Eficiente]

Can't Jotaro just overwrite that?

I see him hitting first here so resist his time stop isn't a big inconvenience.

 

[HST_Master]

Or use Shenron Mode to neg his reality overwrite buffs

 

[Marco_Shark]

This as well.

Goku literally covers anything jotaro can throw at him

 

[Marco_Shark]

What is Jotaro going to do after he is slowed down by Goku and then sealed or punched to death when he cannot react?

 

[DMUA]

If he uses Shenron mode, he'll find out just how outclassed he is in reality warping capabilities, and in fact get reverse reality warped into nothingness.

Goku can slow him down? Jotaro can bring him and the entirety of time to a halt.

Goku can seal him? Not if the Mafuba no longer exists.

 

[SirBrownBear]

@Hst

A. I... just explained it's potency and how it works. An ability that fundimentally halts all motion in the entire universe without any need for personal power input to maintain is a far cry from a technique that's based on one's energy, can be negated with one's energy, and affects a much smaller area.

B. I'll admit I was mistaken about the Goku fight and the straining detail, however. https://youtu.be/cko8gthkg68?t=4m19s Hit using his ability/energy to activly hold back Jiren, straining while doing so before ultimatly being overpowered. In both instances Hit's technique was canceled out by someone by them being monsterously stronger than him and his power outpit, not because they were immune to a fundimental force.

C. And your reasoning as to why he'd go from single beam shot to insta kill sneak attack mode after one attack fails and not start punching, like he would in any other scenario?

D. Same reason why he didn't intantly paint the martial art's arena with Uub when they fought. Or why he didn't atomize fat buu the moment he went SS3. He fights for fun, and will go easy on weaker people innitially if they don't measure up to him at first, not to beat people as fast as possible.

 

[Bluetrekking]

Inconclusive FRA.

This is a who hits first situation.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Does Goku start with slowing down? We can't just assume he does just because he can.

 

[Marco_Shark]

It is? I really think Goku has everything he needs to kill Jotaro.

 

[HST_Master]

How so? Jotaro has no resistances to it, has to punch in order to activate reality overwrite and Super Shenron grants Goku a wish and boost his power along with healing him, he can wish to neg the buffs

How is that going to result in getting reverse reailty warped? And how is Jotaro going to react to anything slowed down?

 

[Bluetrekking]

Also, Towa stopped Time across the multiverse and Xeno Goku was still able to move.

 

[DMUA]

Another thing to note: Hit's time manipulation can be overpowered by people stronger than him, but those weaker will be susceptible.

Jotaro is a 2-A to Goku's 2-B.

 

[Marco_Shark]

Do you actually think we were talking about Hit?

We are talking towa time stopping the entire multiverse for an undetermined amount of time.


Goku wins this for reasons above. How is he gonna even react to Goku´s slowed down dimension?

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Does Goku start with slowing down? We can't just assume he does just because he can.

Question.

 

[DMUA]

We are talking towa time stopping the entire multiverse for an undetermined amount of time.

Perpetual Timestop>Limited Timestop

 

[Marco_Shark]

Erm...its as infinite as you drag out the battle to be, pal.


Point is, Goku can resist it. And he can just slow Jotaro down and seal/kill his butt.

 

[HST_Master]

Another thing to note: Hit's time manipulation can be overpowered by people stronger than him, but those weaker will be susceptible.

Jotaro is a 2-A to Goku's 2-B.

Jotaro is 2-A due to hax not raw ap, his ap is High 8-C

 

[Bluetrekking]

She stopped time for half of the Demon God saga by destroying the thing that makes time go on.

 

[Marco_Shark]

And was goku able to move fine enough as it happened? Yes or no.

 

[Bluetrekking]

Yes.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

If no one wants to answer the question, I'm going go assume in character Goku is going to fight physically, as we've never seen him do anything else unless he really had to.

Jotaro on the other hand won't hesitate to just overwrite him. Once he knows he's outclassed, he'll erase Goku.

 

[Marco_Shark]

Then you are dismissed, sir.

Sit down.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

Wait i remember reading in another thread goku ever went from the get go with sealing. Idk how much that helps