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Girl that stomps boku vs girl that stomps goku

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Because their series doesn't work or need to work in that kind of principle. It has equally powerful equivalents, but that work under different means.
Someone mentioned here and above that not every series needs to work on metafiction mode to achieve these powers. Similar principle.
Then, they can't effect 4th wall despite what you have just said, also you don't need an entire verse to be metaphysical or whatever to effect 4th wall, just characters that can.
You say the abilities are the same thing, then I if they are, why can't teleportation reach 4th wall breaking, and then you keep repeating the same point.
 
Then, they can't effect 4th wall despite what you have just said, also you don't need an entire verse to be metaphysical or whatever to effect 4th wall, just characters that can.
You say the abilities are the same thing, then I if they are, why can't teleportation reach 4th wall breaking, and then you keep repeating the same point.
Again... 4th wall breaking here is using to achieve something that the other power achieves.
I never said they are the same thing, and you saying so seems to tell me you aren't even really reading my point much.
I made multiple points about two different things but that achieve the same purpose, but they were all ignored immediately as you repeated the same question, which I did answer every time.
 
I'll say it yet again.
If the two powers are capable of achieving the same thing in spite of different nature, neither is inherently superior to the other and they can interact. That's about the gist of why HD range can still hit Arale here.
 
Anos sang his own opening, thats proof for 4th wall break and can stomp arale
 
Again... 4th wall breaking here is using to achieve something that the other power achieves.
I never said they are the same thing, and you saying so seems to tell me you aren't even really reading my point much.
I made multiple points about two different things but that achieve the same purpose, but they were all ignored immediately as you repeated the same question, which I did answer every time.
No, you keep saying "they are different but achieve the same result", yet not any teleportation Grants 4th wall breaking.
Naruto for example, kaguya can travel between dimensions, yet she can't effect the 4th wall. Yet you said both can achieve the same thing.
Goku, can travel between dimensions , yet can't effect the 4th wall [canon at least].
Etc....
They are different powers, they are different mechanics, both can't achieve the same thing without feats. Because if that's true, then all of the characters that I have listed will be able to effect 4th wall, despite them not having the feat of doing so.
Can sailor moon effect characters that go beyond the plot and narrative [of A 4D verse, even dimensionality doesn't matter here, much anyway] and reach 4th wall? Looking at her profile, she doesn't.
Thus, she cannot effect arale when she's outside of the plot.
Anos sang his own opening, thats proof for 4th wall break and can stomp arale
Anos is a giga chad, he created his anime so he can lol nope his opponents. Be like Anos-
 
No, you keep saying "they are different but achieve the same result", yet not any teleportation Grants 4th wall breaking.
Naruto for example, kaguya can travel between dimensions, yet she can't effect the 4th wall. Yet you said both can achieve the same thing.
Goku, can travel between dimensions , yet can't effect the 4th wall [canon at least].
Etc....
They are different powers, they are different mechanics, both can't achieve the same thing without feats. Because if that's true, then all of the characters that I have listed will be able to effect 4th wall, despite them not having the feat of doing so.
Can sailor moon effect characters that go beyond the plot and narrative [of A 4D verse, even dimensionality doesn't matter here, much anyway] and reach 4th wall? Looking at her profile, she doesn't.
Thus, she cannot effect arale when she's outside of the plot.
See, this here's where your logic is twisting my point
I'm not saying the char having that range means they can go beyond the fourth wall like Arale does, which you repeatedly argue I am saying and use to try and disprove my point
What I'm saying is the chars with that range can hit things as far away and just as beyond normal reach as beyond the fourth wall through which Arale goes to.
If her 4th walls limits are 4D, then their range reaching another construct beyond similarly complex divisions is enough to hit her.
They aren't doing something they never demonstrated, they are striking someone that is away from them within a range of what they have displayed their abilities can reach
 
Put humorously, what this discussion has been in our end is I say
"Arale can go to the South Pole but this character can try to explode her in the South Pole from Denmark"
then you say
"What do you mean that character can go to the South Pole like Arale because they can try to explode her there from Denmark?"
 
See, this here's where your logic is twisting my point
I'm not saying the char having that range means they can go beyond the fourth wall like Arale does, which you repeatedly argue I am saying and use to try and disprove my point
What I'm saying is the chars with that range can hit things as far away and just as beyond normal reach as beyond the fourth wall through which Arale goes to.
If her 4th walls limits are 4D, then their range reaching another construct beyond similarly complex divisions is enough to hit her.
They aren't doing something they never demonstrated, they are striking someone that is away from them within a range of what they have displayed their abilities can reach
But hitting someone beyond the forth wall just with range is exactly what are you trying to say.
You say "well arale can leave 4D structures, into the 4th wall, this anyone with 4D range can effect her". Yet, there are many characters have 4D range and beyond, yet they still can't reach 4th wall.
Can you prove, without a shadow of doubt, that Sailor moon can effect the 4th wall.
 
But hitting someone beyond the forth wall just with range is exactly what are you trying to say.
You say "well arale can leave 4D structures, into the 4th wall, this anyone with 4D range can effect her". Yet, there are many characters have 4D range and beyond, yet they still can't reach 4th wall.
Can you prove, without a shadow of doubt, that Sailor moon can effect the 4th wall.
Yes, because that's how it works. This beyond the 4th wall space is still a construct bound by its own dimensions.
I was assuming the beyond Arale jumps out to is a 4D structure of Low 2-C proportions at best, 3-A abstract space at worst because she 3A. So, assuming the lowest common denominator, either or is within bounds of the range this Seifuku Moon is given on her profile here.
If her jumping is to an even higher structure, then I welcome the explanation
 
What I don't get is if Arale can really see and mess with her entire narrative 3D as claimed, like her own manga is just manga to her, why isn't her tier 2 from that feat.
The narrative is 4D. Thus when she goes outside of the plot, she sees it merly as a manga/fiction. Which will make her low 1-C actually iirc.
But stats and such will be handled in a completely separate thread [hopefully]. As for now. The verse is 4D [it meets all criteria for it, its universal in size. There is space. Time. Matter etc... ]
Yes, because that's how it works. This beyond the 4th wall space is still a construct bound by its own dimensions.
I was assuming the beyond Arale jumps out to is a 4D structure of Low 2-C proportions at best, 3-A abstract space at worst because she 3A. So, assuming the lowest common denominator, either or is within bounds of the range this Seifuku Moon is given on her profile here.
If her jumping is to an even higher structure, then I welcome the explanation
The verse is 4D [as I explained above] thus making her 4th wall breaking low 1-C or it needs more than4D range, probably the latter, so either way Sailor isn't effecting her
[and why I am not saying "No, sailor cannot effect her because hurr durr 4th wall breaking" is because the entire reasoning needs a whole ass thread, which will only develop into unknown territory and would probably get heated.] Thanks for debating me, I every much enjoyed debating you, and sorry if I came rude or condescending.
 
The narrative is 4D. Thus when she goes outside of the plot, she sees it merly as a manga/fiction. Which will make her low 1-C actually iirc.
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Alright.
So what we got from this: Sufficient range can hit 4th wall domains
The range page also supports this, interdimensional range including pocket realities and special spaces is one step below Low Multiversal in the range stairway.

As for this thread's case, Seifuku's range is Low Multiversal, but Arale's beyond 4th wall space is a higher enough scale of 2-C, maybe 2-B and that means Sailor Moon still isn't reaching.

That good?
 
Alright.
So what we got from this:
Start listing
Sufficient range can hit 4th wall domains
Yup
The range page also supports this, interdimensional range including pocket realities and special spaces is one step below Low Multiversal in the range stairway.
I suppose so
As for this thread's case, Seifuku's range is Low Multiversal
Yup
But Arale's beyond 4th wall space is a higher enough scale of 2-C, maybe 2-B and that means Sailor Moon still isn't reaching.
Yeah pretty much
Given the verse's structure you would need 2-A range to affect
Yup seems so
All fun and games even if we're in VS threads part of the forum pal 🤝
🤝
 
Alright.
So what we got from this: Sufficient range can hit 4th wall domains
The range page also supports this, interdimensional range including pocket realities and special spaces is one step below Low Multiversal in the range stairway.

As for this thread's case, Seifuku's range is Low Multiversal, but Arale's beyond 4th wall space is a higher enough scale of 2-C, maybe 2-B and that means Sailor Moon still isn't reaching.

That good?
NO.
Refuses to elaborate.
Walks out like a true chad.

I honestly forgot , but what are sailor's wincons?
 
All is right, all is good in hell
This here is a stomp then, Sailor Moon has no way to reach after Arale gets that stuff instantly off, which she'll start with because of bloodlust.
 
What's her 4D voodoo do?
Void Manipulation (She has inherited the power of the Cauldron, which can erase anything it touches from existence, even Sailor Crystals. Her ultimate power can destroy Chaos, a Nonexistent entity and the entire Cauldron, a four dimensional structure linked to other part of the space-time continuum, even outside it at the point where the cauldron need to come back into existence)
 
I'm not even too sure if Arale herself can kill Moon between High Godly Regen and Low 2-C to 2-C durability
But you guys said the girl is still considered a 3D with 4D power in spite of her dura stats so I'm going with she'd just be haxed like a 3D would.
 
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Void Manipulation (She has inherited the power of the Cauldron, which can erase anything it touches from existence, even Sailor Crystals. Her ultimate power can destroy Chaos, a Nonexistent entity and the entire Cauldron, a four dimensional structure linked to other part of the space-time continuum, even outside it at the point where the cauldron need to come back into existence)
Seems more like EE than void ngl-
But arale should resist since she resisted a 4D plot EE removal. But I'm not sure. Plus arale can dodge it [if projectile based]
 
Honestly I'm not sure if Arale herself can kill Moon between High Godly Regen and Low 2-C to 2-C durability.
She doesn't have to kill her, she can seal, bfr, incap or passive social influence her, or copy sailor's abilities/or copy sailor itself, or use Plot EE ot manipulation to screw over her
 
She doesn't have to kill her, she can seal, bfr, incap or passive social influence her, or copy sailor's abilities/or copy sailor itself, or use Plot EE ot manipulation to screw over her
That missed the edit, because I'm still surprised this key of Sailor Moon was said to be a 3D with a 4D power when she does have all the stats of a 4D.
Even if she was 4D though that'd be still a stomp just in the opposite direction or more like inconc if she couldn't slap Arale before she went somewhere, so it doesn't matter
 
That missed the edit, because I'm still surprised this key of Sailor Moon was said to be a 3D with a 4D power when she does have all the stats of a 4D.
Even if she was 4D though that'd be still a stomp just in the opposite direction (or inconc if she couldn't slap Arale before she warped somewhere else) so it doesn't matter
I didn't really understand what you mean, is it a stomp on favour of arale or sailor?
 
Because Sailor doesn't have HDE
That's still a surprise because after her final power ups she's this thing's equivalent and superior
Her here wiki partially acknowledges that by calling her embodiment of Cosmos so I think she probably should but maybe I can ask more on that someday
 
Who are you quoting

And I can argue that plot erasure is just conceptual or history erasure with added flavor, since there is technically no difference between those.
Now we’re getting somewhere since that makes the erasure more potent since it affects an abstract layer. This is my point, you need to have at least some proof of being capable of effecting abstract layers up to the point of the “plot layer” before you can hit Arale.
 
Again... 4th wall breaking here is using to achieve something that the other power achieves.
Actually not true, it is used to access a place outside the plot where you can talk to the audience. Not to just access some random realm, that’d be something Arale could do by jumping between manga panels.
 
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