Girl that stomps boku vs girl that stomps goku

[Ss3micah]

The thing is that this 4th wall location that Arale goes to, separated from reality, is still a 3D construct, separated from normal reality by 3D limits.
A character's range that can reach a construct separated from reality by 4-D space should be capable of striking it, far as my logic goes. It's a whole qualitative difference.

Thats not how it works AT ALL
The 4th wall is naturally uninteractable and cannot be perceived without feats of doing so

Even Tier 1 characters cant affect the 4th wall without feats or evidence
Thats like saying every tier 1 character ever can ext and exist outside fhe boundaries of the page, animation and narrative itself because they are Tier 1

The wiki does not alloe that without feats
And btw if you checked out the description of 4th wall breaking you would see that 4th wall is a space that does not abide by any dimensional tiering rule

As far arale affect 200D beings
She cant do so without feats because the 4th wall is OUTSIDE of the Dimension spectrum NOT above it

Overall it would be inconclusive
Because the 200D character cant attack Arale in a space he cant even percieve and Arale even while outside the narrative cant affect dimensions the plot has no feats of affecting

Arale's plot hax only has feats of working up to the 4th dimensional level. No more thsn that

Plot hax needs feat of affect 200D plains te be able to affect them

 

[DaimaouAshura]

Even Tier 1 characters cant affect the 4th wall without feats or evidence
Thats like saying every tier 1 character ever can ext and exist outside fhe boundaries of the page, animation and narrative itself because they are Tier 1

I cut most of it to not flood but this pair of lines is an excellent reason why, my compromising be damned, this here ruling bugs me

 

[DaimaouAshura]

Here's a humorous perspective for fun and games:
If they can affect constructs with 200 times the complexity of anything 3-D has to offer, saying they can't affect a 3-D going outside but while still bound to a 4-D space and condition, just because it's under a different name, is like saying me drinking the ocean doesn't mean I can drink a can of soda because one is a fizzy drink.

 

[Orange]

..........ha?

 

[DaimaouAshura]

Was talking to Micah on the 200D metaphor
Irrelevant to the thread

 

[Ss3micah]

Here's a humorous perspective for fun and games:
If they can affect constructs with 200 times the complexity of anything 3-D has to offer, saying they can't affect a 3-D going outside but while still bound to a 4-D space and condition, just because it's under a different name, is like saying me drinking the ocean doesn't mean I can drink a can of soda because one is a fizzy drink.

Again
The 4th wall doesnt abide by the dimensional logic
A 3-D character affecting the fourth wall is just as impressive as a 200-D character doing the same thing

Remember the 4th wall is essentially that thing that separates fiction from reality

Arale going beyond the 4th wall means shes essentially in a space where no character bound by FICTION can ever percieve nor reach

Even 200-D characters are still fictional characters after all

But Arale still wont be able to affect them because her Plot Hax cant affect 200-D spaces

Hence the incon
Both are in spaces neither can detect, affect nor reach

 

[Greenshifter]

Ooh please, Stop with this Arale matches!!! They are starting be annoying AF.......

It kinda fits him then. Also you can just not participate in this MU, that way it won’t be annoying.

 

[DaimaouAshura]

Again
The 4th wall doesnt abide by the dimensional logic
A 3-D character affecting the fourth wall is just as impressive as a 200-D character doing the same thing

Heavy misunderstanding going on your end there, pal
Even by this wiki's choice of rules, take a look at The Reality - Fiction interaction and it says word by word that this stuff is judged on case by case and that higher D still stomps
4th wall breaking is good and all, but let's not get carried away into acting like a passport out of hell if you're fighting someone who sees you as fiction by default because of higher dimensions.

 

[Orange]

But going beyond the forth wall doesn't have to do with anything related to dimensionality
Just like how a 5th dimensional being can't effect NEP or AE being without feats

 

[Greenshifter]

Anyways guessing Arale just plot freeze GG’s the Moon. Why do DB characters have this tendency to screw over the moon?

 

[DaimaouAshura]

But going beyond the forth wall doesn't have to do with anything related to dimensionality
Just like how a 5th dimensional being can't effect NEP or AE being without feats

True higher dimensional beings already see the worlds below them as fictional
It doesn't work here for Seifuku Moon when she's a 3-D with 4-D, but a true higher dimensional would already see the world of Arale as fiction and affect her from outside of it, in a level infinitely above what she is in, just by existing

 

[Orange]

True higher dimensional beings already see the worlds below them as fictional
It doesn't work here for Seifuku Moon when she's a 3-D with 4-D, but a true higher dimensional would already see the world of Arale as fiction and affect her from outside of it, in a level infinitely above what she is in, just by existing

But that's coming different, your dimensionality doesn't have to do with anything if you can effect the 4th wall or not.
Reality vs fiction in verse between higher dimensions is completely different than what 4th wall breaking is.

 

[Orange]

Anyways guessing Arale just plot freeze GG’s the Moon. Why do DB characters have this tendency to screw over the moon?

Cuz moon deserves to be bullied kek.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Anyways guessing Arale just plot freeze GG’s the Moon. Why do DB characters have this tendency to screw over the moon?

Nah she's not a DB character

 

[DaimaouAshura]

But that's coming different, your dimensionality doesn't have to do with anything if you can effect the 4th wall or not.
Reality vs fiction in verse between higher dimensions is completely different than what 4th wall breaking is.

A higher dimensionality lets you affect the 4th wall of a lower dimension since you are already above and outside the entire reality that the character in question is getting out of
What is the 4th wall and the reality they are getting out of to a 3d character is basically still fiction for a higher dimensional one.

 

[Ss3micah]

A higher dimensionality lets you affect the 4th wall of a lower dimension since you are already above and outside the entire reality that the character in question is getting out of
What is the 4th wall and the reality they are getting out of to a 3d character is basically still fiction for a higher dimensional one.

Need feats of that being the case
It be assumed just cause "Im higher dimensional"

Otherwise all 4-D characters and above needs to have 4th wall breaking

 

[Orange]

A higher dimensionality lets you affect the 4th wall of a lower dimension since you are already above and outside the entire reality that the character in question is getting out of
What is the 4th wall and the reality they are getting out of to a 3d character is basically still fiction for a higher dimensional one.

There is a huge difference between effecting 4th wall of a lower world [first time I'm hearing this] and for the entire narrative

 

[Ss3micah]

What is the 4th wall and the reality they are getting out of to a 3d character is basically still fiction for a higher dimensional one.

Digimons are 1-C but dont know they are fictional nor about the 4th walls existence

 

[DaimaouAshura]

Need feats of that being the case
It be assumed just cause "Im higher dimensional"

Otherwise all 4-D characters and above needs to have 4th wall breaking

The funny thing is that after a quick look around with this wiki's own rules, being higher dimensional should give them that by default
But discussing that here is just offtopic, and besides, I compromised for the timebeing so it's not like I win anything out of continuing the talk here lmao

 

[DaimaouAshura]

There is a huge difference between effecting 4th wall of a lower world [first time I'm hearing this] and for the entire narrative

Never argued they're the same though, point was just that affecting something that much complex is grounds to affect something bound by limitations of a world inferior to the one you are bound by.
Similar idea how someone can tear 2d characters by ripping the piece of paper in half, whether they're in or outside their panel, relative to other 2d chars, and humans have no 4th wall skill
But discussing that here is just offtopic, and besides, I compromised for the timebeing so it's not like I win anything out of continuing the talk here lmao

 

[Ss3micah]

The funny thing is that after a quick look around with this wiki's own rules, being higher dimensional should give them that by default

Good luck with that but trust me you would fail
Like I said your misreading the rules
Just because your higher dimensional doesnt mean you can automatically do 4th wall breaking stuff and perceive the real life people reading and watching you and being able to leave the page your being drawn on without feats

 

[DaimaouAshura]

Digimons are 1-C but dont know they are fictional nor about the 4th walls existence

They don't know theirs, but they would if it was of a lower world being

Good luck with that but trust me you would fail
Like I said your misreading the rules
Just because your higher dimensional doesnt mean you can automatically do 4th wall breaking stuff and perceive the real life people reading and watching you and being able to leave the page your being drawn on without feats

Words said to every attempt at change ever, pal. No need to jinx!
I get the feeling this is less of me misunderstanding the rules and more that you think I am
Not saying a character of 5D has 4th wall breaking within their world
I'm saying they'd be able to affect characters of a lower reality, across verses, like infitesimally small fiction, regardless of 4th wall breaking in their own, when it comes to vs threads.
This isn't a rule change, it's how your own tier system works
That the powers of characters of lower dimensions mean nothing to higher D ones

 

[Ss3micah]

But discussing that here is just offtopic, and besides, I compromised for the timebeing so it's not like I win anything out of continuing the talk here lmao

Actually you know what...
Lets stop derailing for real
We have been talking about unimportant stuff too long and too much lolol

Lets get back to the battle at hand

 

[Ss3micah]

Anyways Voting Arale seeing how Passive Plot manipulation is on

 

[DaimaouAshura]

Actually you know what...
Lets stop derailing for real
We have been talking about unimportant stuff too long and too much lolol

Lets get back to the battle at hand

Was going to answer your questions but yeah this can be left for another day in its own thread, when I'm more used to the place, when this is more organized as a question.
Let me pop open my can of soda here have a handshake my friend.

 

[Orange]

Anyways Voting Arale seeing how Passive Plot manipulation is on

I'll add that in the votes, how many votes are there btw

 

[Ss3micah]

Was going to answer your questions but yeah this can be left for another day in its own thread, when I'm more used to the place, when this is more organized as a question.
Let me pop open my can of soda here have a handshake my friend.

 

[Greenshifter]

Nah she's not a DB character

Fine, Akira Toriyama character. DB is shorter though.

 

[Greenshifter]

Aren’t you a little young for that?

 

[Orange]

Aren’t you a little young for that?

No, you are.

 

[Greenshifter]

No, you are.

I’m legally allowed allowed to drink for 6 years now.

 

[ArmBill]

Aren’t you a little young for that?

Drinking underage is great though

 

[Orange]

I’m legally allowed allowed to drink for 6 years now.

And I'm also legally allowed to be adopted.

 

[Orange]

Drinking underage is great though

But-
nvm. Goofy

 

[Greenshifter]

Also to get in the middle of you guys’ discussion. Arale wouldn’t be able to offensively manipulate the plot of higher-D characters without feats. But defensively it functions kinda like spatial intangibility does but for plot, which makes it independent of higher-dimensionality.

 

[Ss3micah]

Also to get in the middle of you guys’ discussion. Arale wouldn’t be able to offensively manipulate the plot of higher-D characters without feats. But defensively it functions kinda like spatial intangibility does but for plot, which makes it independent of higher-dimensionality.

Does Moon have HDE?

 

[Greenshifter]

Doesn’t seem like it here. But I thought I’d clarify anyways as to make sure everyone is on the same page.

 

[deonment]

Again
The 4th wall doesnt abide by the dimensional logic
A 3-D character affecting the fourth wall is just as impressive as a 200-D character doing the same thing

Remember the 4th wall is essentially that thing that separates fiction from reality

Arale going beyond the 4th wall means shes essentially in a space where no character bound by FICTION can ever percieve nor reach

Even 200-D characters are still fictional characters after all

But Arale still wont be able to affect them because her Plot Hax cant affect 200-D spaces

Hence the incon
Both are in spaces neither can detect, affect nor reach

no, **** off with that, that is one of the biggest NFLs ive ever seen on this site holy shit, that is just 100% false, we do not assume that at all, if you want to do that go give her bde because by your logic that is what she has, this in no way works or is accepted to work like this in any regards, if you want it to go make a crt because until you do so this is not an argument at all

 

[Coolboy6]

no, **** off with that, that is one of the biggest NFLs ive ever seen on this site holy shit, that is just 100% false, we do not assume that at all, if you want to do that go give her bde because by your logic that is what she has, this in no way works or is accepted to work like this in any regards, if you want it to go make a crt because until you do so this is not an argument at all

Can you not? You are derailing this thread by bringing something up that has calmed down and over with.

 

[Ss3micah]

no, **** off with that, that is one of the biggest NFLs ive ever seen on this site holy shit, that is just 100% false, we do not assume that at all, if you want to do that go give her bde because by your logic that is what she has, this in no way works or is accepted to work like this in any regards, if you want it to go make a crt because until you do so this is not an argument at all

Well then whatevs I suppose
If my logic is wrong then it's wrong and I accept that
I admit I dont know the mechanics of BDE too much so I may be assuming some #@%! but hey we're all wrong at some point and we learn from it

Can you not? You are derailing this thread by bringing something up that has calmed down and over with.

It's alright Coolboy