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General DC Comics Discussion Thread

So, the new DC Encyclopedia is out and they have some interesting things on Monarch. The Encyclopedia calls him a living paradox, and implies the armor itself makes people into hosts of Monarch. It also retcons out Extreme Justice from the timeline entirely and says only Nathaniel Adam and Hank Hall were Monarch.

Obviously, this doesn't remove Captain Atom's dark side being called Monarch, because he had the dark side before he got the armor and it simply adopted the name, but it is interesting
 
Antvasima said:
Also, when will the DC Comics herald-level characters be upgraded? It has been several months now.

@LordTracer @Armorchompy @Emirp sumitpo
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Outside of being busy with IRL stuff, we’ve got like 83 characters that need to be updated, and a lot of them are having their AP justifications completely rewritten, having scans and references added, etc.
 
There is contractions regarding the Great Darkness between Tynion's Justice League Dark and Williamson's Justice League Incarnate. The Great Darkness in Tynion's story is described as residing in, or being, the dark Sphere of the Gods surrounding the Dark Multiverse, where the Upside-Down Man resides. The Great Darkness in Williamson's story is described as the vast black canvas where the Light of Creation or Overvoid or Presence emerged.

I had this theory to reconcile the two things for the Crisis Cosmology page: when the Light of Creation grew and everything was no longer nothing, the Great Darkness screamed and retreated into the Darkworld which was used interchangeably with the Great Darkness and the place where the Upside-Down Man resides, where it slumbered for an eternity until a piece of the darkness escaped and nearly destroyed Heaven until it made a truce with the Light. When the multiverse was recreated by the Hands, the Great Darkness once again became beyond the Omniverse and beings like the Upside-Down Man were after its powers.

Note that the Great Darkness itself has clarified that it was not the cause of any crisis, nor did it seek to destroy the Multiverse, contrary to what Doctor Multiverse believed.

What do you think?

The link to my draft page: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Elizio33/Sandbox9
 
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Elizio33 said:
There is contractions regarding the Great Darkness between Tynion's Justice League Dark and Williamson's Justice League Incarnate. The Great Darkness in Tynion's story is described as residing in, or being, the dark Sphere of the Gods surrounding the Dark Multiverse, where the Upside-Down Man resides. The Great Darkness in Williamson's story is described as the vast black canvas where the Light of Creation or Overvoid or Presence emerged.

I had this theory to reconcile the two things for the Crisis Cosmology page: when the Light of Creation grew and everything was no longer nothing, the Great Darkness screamed and retreated into the Darkworld which was used interchangeably with the Great Darkness and the place where the Upside-Down Man resides, where it slumbered for an eternity until a piece of the darkness escaped and nearly destroyed Heaven until it made a truce with the Light. When the multiverse was recreated by the Hands, the Great Darkness once again became beyond the Omniverse and beings like the Upside-Down Man were after its powers.

Note that the Great Darkness itself has clarified that it was not the cause of any crisis, nor did it seek to destroy the Multiverse, contrary to what Doctor Multiverse believed.

What do you think?

The link to my draft page: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Elizio33/Sandbox9
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Seems fine.
 
Elizio33 said:
There is contractions regarding the Great Darkness between Tynion's Justice League Dark and Williamson's Justice League Incarnate. The Great Darkness in Tynion's story is described as residing in, or being, the dark Sphere of the Gods surrounding the Dark Multiverse, where the Upside-Down Man resides. The Great Darkness in Williamson's story is described as the vast black canvas where the Light of Creation or Overvoid or Presence emerged.

I had this theory to reconcile the two things for the Crisis Cosmology page: when the Light of Creation grew and everything was no longer nothing, the Great Darkness screamed and retreated into the Darkworld which was used interchangeably with the Great Darkness and the place where the Upside-Down Man resides, where it slumbered for an eternity until a piece of the darkness escaped and nearly destroyed Heaven until it made a truce with the Light. When the multiverse was recreated by the Hands, the Great Darkness once again became beyond the Omniverse and beings like the Upside-Down Man were after its powers.

Note that the Great Darkness itself has clarified that it was not the cause of any crisis, nor did it seek to destroy the Multiverse, contrary to what Doctor Multiverse believed.

What do you think?

The link to my draft page: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Elizio33/Sandbox9
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However, are you absolutely certain that these two versions of the cosmology should be reconciled, given the contradictions?
 
Antvasima said:
However, are you absolutely certain that these two versions of the cosmology should be reconciled, given the contradictions?
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Eh i find it pertinent enough since the Great Darkness was stated to be a sliver of the power of the Upside-Down Man in Tynion's story
 
Antvasima said:
I am not so certain.

@Deagonx @Qawsedf234 @Firestorm808 @Eficiente @PrinceofPein

What do you think?
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The story explains it. A piece of the Great Darkness broke off from its original state(Upside Downman and the Otherkind). That's why it was a sliver of “their” power.

Tynion indirectly notions throughout the story that Darkness is Upside Downman while Hecate is the magical being made of “Light.”
 
Deagonx said:
Really disappointing to see these characters at 2-C, personally. But it is what it is.
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Your relentless opposition to upgrades with such overwhelming evidence behind them has become a tiresome cliche. It's warranted with the cosmology split, not so much with this.
 
IdiosyncraticLawyer said:
Your relentless opposition to upgrades with such overwhelming evidence behind them has become a tiresome cliche.
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"Overwhelming evidence." Bruh. The vast vast majority of the feats in the original proposal were so obviously not evidence that they were immediately dismissed out of hand, and the small remainder of ones that had some potential for validity were incredibly vague, even the very "best" ones, to say nothing of the many anti-feats and logical errors such an interpretation creates for so many storylines.

The tiresome cliché here is the culture of pursuing upgrades for upgrades sake, in clear opposition to the actual portrayal of the characters. Maybe I'm the bad guy for being the fun police trying to stop the various upgrades people want to do, but I'd prefer the profiles to not be exaggerated to such an insane degree. I'm used to it in most verses, but DC is the verse I care about the most, so it's disappointing to see it fall to this state.
 
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Deagonx said:
"Overwhelming evidence." Bruh. The vast vast majority of the feats in the original proposal were so obviously not evidence that they were immediately dismissed out of hand, and the small remainder of ones that had some potential for validity were incredibly vague, even the very "best" ones, to say nothing of the many anti-feats and logical errors such an interpretation creates for so many storylines.

The tiresome cliché here is the culture of pursuing upgrades for upgrades sake, in clear opposition to the actual portrayal of the characters. Maybe I'm the bad guy for being the fun police trying to stop the various upgrades people want to do, but I'd prefer the profiles to not be exaggerated to such an insane degree. I'm used to it in most verses, but DC is the verse I care about the most, so it's disappointing to see it fall to this state.
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Except this is blatantly not true according to almost anyone's reading of the canon but yours. Even Ant's acquiesced that the feats are reliable now. Compared to everyone here who's worked so hard to finally get over VS Battles Wiki's reluctance to upgrade DC by preparing such explicit, unambiguous feats and tirelessly refuting non-point debunks and anti-feats that are easily explained away, you're being stubborn. The feats are clear, and almost all the anti-feats you've provided have been invalid. If you have new arguments, then go contest the thread, but relentlessly complaining about honest attempts to fix errors as a "culture of pursuing upgrades for upgrades sake" is bad form.
@KLOL506 @Emirp sumitpo Care to comment?
 
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Lawyer, I'm entirely unpersuaded by your aggravated ramblings and I'm well within my rights to express disappointment about the upgrades here without you getting publicly salty about it or inviting other people here for the express purpose of causing public drama. If you feel my stance on the matter is invalid or that I'm firmly in the minority, that's your business and I have no intention of attempting to persuade you otherwise. As far as I am concerned the issues with the feats were very clear, and the anti-feats were overwhelming.
 
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