Quick revision for the Thought Robot/Mandrakk

[Deagonx]

This should be fairly easy. The Thought Robot currently has the "Reactive Evolution" ability, which covers the following:

• Developing new powers or abilities
• Developing new resistances
• Developing greater statistics. However, if this is the only way in which they "evolve", then Accelerated Development should be given instead to avoid redundancy.

I added the bolding. Throughout TR's fight with Mandrakk, he does not display obtaining new powers or abilities, or new resistances. The depiction of the fight just shows them punching each other and Superman using laser eyes. The narration used to support the idea that he has Reactive Evolution is just that he gets stronger throughout the fight, saying:

The stronger he becomes, the stronger I become to oppose him

Earlier, the Thought Robot is described as being "capable of adapting instantly to counter any future threat" but there's not any evidence to suggest this goes beyond him simply becoming stronger as he did throughout the fight with Mandrakk. Moreover, it's important to keep in mind that the person who said this is not a reliable narrator. The Thought Robot was the remnant of Overvoid's first contact with the flaw, and the Monitor culture grew around it. They didn't actually know what it was, and were afraid of it:

"Dread of the thing grows, rumor spreads. Only on the last day will it yield up its secrets, it is said."

So, the "Accelerated Development" is better suited for both of these profiles, unless there is some evidence that TR can literally develop a new power during a fight, but the fight is fairly short and it's the only fight TR ever had, so I don't think such evidence exists.

Also: Can we rename the "Mandrakk the Dark Monitor" page to just "Mandrakk?" I can't remember if he was ever actually called "the dark monitor" but it's not really part of his name, he's usually just referred to as "Mandrakk"

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I agree

 

[Hypertornado099]

Agree, but since this is an actual standard written here, there might be more profiles with RE that should have AD

 

[Deagonx]

Agree, but since this is an actual standard written here, there might be more profiles with RE that should have AD

Yeah, I quoted the page in the OP. It might be worth an audit of the pages that have this ability and seeing how many of them are just AD.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Agreed

 

[Excellence616]

I agree

 

[AerrowStorm1]

Agree

 

[Deagonx]

@Emirp sumitpo @LordTracer @Elizio33 @Antvasima @Firestorm808 @Ultima_Reality Do any of you guys have an opinion on this?

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Strongly agree, this ability in particular has been highballed to high heavens for a while.

I added the bolding. Throughout TR's fight with Mandrakk, he does not display obtaining new powers or abilities, or new resistances. The depiction of the fight just shows them punching each other and Superman using laser eyes. The narration used to support the idea that he has Reactive Evolution is just that he gets stronger throughout the fight, saying:

Earlier, the Thought Robot is described as being "capable of adapting instantly to counter any future threat" but there's not any evidence to suggest this goes beyond him simply becoming stronger as he did throughout the fight with Mandrakk. Moreover, it's important to keep in mind that the person who said this is not a reliable narrator. The Thought Robot was the remnant of Overvoid's first contact with the flaw, and the Monitor culture grew around it. They didn't actually know what it was, and were afraid of it:

It might be worth putting a note regarding this [maybe with scans] in the profiles.

 

[Elizio33]

This should be fairly easy. The Thought Robot currently has the "Reactive Evolution" ability, which covers the following:


I added the bolding. Throughout TR's fight with Mandrakk, he does not display obtaining new powers or abilities, or new resistances. The depiction of the fight just shows them punching each other and Superman using laser eyes. The narration used to support the idea that he has Reactive Evolution is just that he gets stronger throughout the fight, saying:


Earlier, the Thought Robot is described as being "capable of adapting instantly to counter any future threat" but there's not any evidence to suggest this goes beyond him simply becoming stronger as he did throughout the fight with Mandrakk. Moreover, it's important to keep in mind that the person who said this is not a reliable narrator. The Thought Robot was the remnant of Overvoid's first contact with the flaw, and the Monitor culture grew around it. They didn't actually know what it was, and were afraid of it:


So, the "Accelerated Development" is better suited for both of these profiles, unless there is some evidence that TR can literally develop a new power during a fight, but the fight is fairly short and it's the only fight TR ever had, so I don't think such evidence exists.

Also: Can we rename the "Mandrakk the Dark Monitor" page to just "Mandrakk?" I can't remember if he was ever actually called "the dark monitor" but it's not really part of his name, he's usually just referred to as "Mandrakk"

Strongly agree with this.

 

[TimeTrapperFanBoy]

Kinda off topic but should we just name “Mandrakk the dark monitor” to just “Dax Novu”? We have a Rox Ogama profile and he’s sometimes referred to as “Mandrakk” as well.

 

[Deagonx]

Kinda off topic but should we just name “Mandrakk the dark monitor” to just “Dax Novu”? We have a Rox Ogama profile and he’s sometimes referred to as “Mandrakk” as well.

Personally I'd say Mandrakk is better, since that's what he is most commonly known and referred to as. Rox Ogama was relatively minor by comparison.

 

[TimeTrapperFanBoy]

Personally I'd say Mandrakk is better, since that's what he is most commonly known and referred to as. Rox Ogama was relatively minor by comparison.

True true, in that case this seems fine to add.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler]

This seems fine. He doesn't instantly adapt prior to the fight. Hence he was on the losing end during the first course of the battle.

 

[Antvasima]

This seems fine to me as well.

 

[Robo432343]

large size and higher dimensional existence should also be removed...
anyway i agree

 

[Hypertornado099]

It has been more than 48 hours

 

[Thelastmlg]

large size and higher dimensional existence should also be removed...
anyway i agree

No they shouldn’t, he is indeed that large and higher dimensional

 

[Deagonx]

No they shouldn’t, he is indeed that large and higher dimensional

Higher dimensional existence refers specifically to having an additional spatial axis, which Nil doesn't, but that's not what this CRT is for so that can be discussed later

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Higher dimensional existence refers specifically to having an additional spatial axis, which Nil doesn't, but that's not what this CRT is for so that can be discussed later

On that note, would Thought Robot still have resistance to existence erasure after the Overvoid’s transduality downgrade? These justifications look pretty odd.

Resistance to Existence Erasure (Survived Monitor-Mind The Overvoid)

 

[Deagonx]

He never should had that, frankly. I might do a later thread where I fully redo the profiles.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler]

Reality Warping should be removed as well because he hasn't shown anything other than energy-based attacks. His sole theory was that he was meant to protect Existence. He’s “powerful” in a sense but his power may not have that much variety.

 

[Elizio33]

I think that Incorporeality, Intangibility and Concept Manipulation should be removed as well because he has not shown any of these abilities throughout the story. Even Abstract Existence is questionable without Morrison's interviews.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

I think that Incorporeality, Intangibility and Concept Manipulation should be removed as well because he has not shown any of these abilities throughout the story. Even Abstract Existence is questionable without Morrison's interviews.

I think that comes from how he embodies the flaw:

(Is half of the extension of Monitor-Mind The Overvoid that examined the DC Multiverse. Exists in the archetypal Monitor world of Nil as pure thought, the "good" side of every conceptual dichotomy)

 

[Elizio33]

I think that comes from how he embodies the flaw:

Well that should be removed because it's not true. He is not half of the extention of Monitor-Mind The Overvoid, but is what remains after Dax Novu's contact with the flaw that contaminated him and split his personality in two according to the context given in the story.

 

[Robo432343]

I think that Incorporeality, Intangibility and Concept Manipulation should be removed as well because he has not shown any of these abilities throughout the story. Even Abstract Existence is questionable without Morrison's interviews.

this is getting bad
if these abilities are removed then he'd have like 3-5 abilities on profile lol

 

[VeryGoofyToddler]

this is getting bad
if these abilities are removed then he'd have like 3-5 abilities on profile

That really doesn't matter unless we use context-based evidence to suggest powerful means he has abilities that are not directly stated.

 

[Robo432343]

genius intelligence needs scans as well

also why is TR's stamina infinite??

 

[Elizio33]

this is getting bad
if these abilities are removed then he'd have like 3-5 abilities on profile lol

Well, he didn't shown to have that much abilities other than Heat Vision, Flight, Large Size, Cosmic Awareness and Accelerated Development lol.

 

[Deagonx]

if these abilities are removed then he'd have like 3-5 abilities on profile lol

He's a superman robot who fought for like, half of an issue, and all he did was punch and shoot lasers out of his eyes. What else can we do?

 

[Alonik]

Solid enough, good job. I agree as well.

 

[Thelastmlg]

for conceptual manipulation, i think is due to affecting the monitor sphere which from what i recall was a fundamental world world with primal forms, where narratives form around like crystals, and where form and meaning surrender to the overvoid

so i think it is a case of "you need those abilities to damage this kind of place"

incorporeality should remain too since he is made of pure thought in a world where form doesn't exist, intangibility is redudant and should've been removed a while ago lol

also, i think reality warping could come from him looking at limbo cuz like, did he move limbo into his finger tip or is limbo just, conventiently floating infront of him before he even walks, before dissapearing?

i dunno, we might be derailing from this QUICK revisions thread too

 

[Deagonx]

did he move limbo into his finger tip or is limbo just, conventiently floating infront of him before he even walks, before dissapearing?

He didn't move Limbo, yeah, it's just floating there and he points at it.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

He didn't move Limbo, yeah, it's just floating there and he points at it.

No way… are you being serious? It’s insane how many misconceptions this character has around him.

I wonder, was this the basis for he and Mandrakk’s immeasurable lifting strength? If so, that may have to go too.

 

[Elizio33]

No way… are you being serious? It’s insane how many misconceptions this character has around him.

I wonder, was this the basis for he and Mandrakk’s immeasurable lifting strength? If so, that may have to go too.

Well, they are larger than the universes inhabiting the Orrery of Worlds, and they perceive them as "germ worlds". But if they actually exist as living thoughts, it shouldn't matter much.

 

[Thelastmlg]

perhaps it came from mandrakk holding the bleed? not sure if that would be immensurable

 

[Elizio33]

perhaps it came from mandrakk holding the bleed? not sure if that would be immensurable

Superman was shown to be able to hold the Bleed without the need for the Thought Robot.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler]

Yeah and also do note that Bleed in any scale can destroy or create. Mandrakk was taunting Superman to get that in an elixir form to start the battle. He was not holding the “Bleed” itself.

 

[Elizio33]

Bump

 

[Elizio33]

Yeah and also do note that Bleed in any scale can destroy or create. Mandrakk was taunting Superman to get that in an elixir form to start the battle. He was not holding the “Bleed” itself.

Yeah, I know, but the Monitors claimed that they were the only ones capable of holding the Bleed (Bleed pieces), which wasn't true since Superman had proved them otherwise. In no way should this be considered a feat of lifting strength.