Garou VS Kaidou

[LordGinSama]

What prevents it from being a small sword like this one.

Because of the fact that isn't the character? One has a sword, one has an elongated dagger.

Besides going to vaporization and then to carbonization is completely non sense.

None of it was carbonized.

Nor is there any sign of steam, which is something oda usually draws.

Vapor dissipates, it doesn't need to be visible. If it were carbonized there would be left over residue, which there isn't.

garou also has air slash techniques, so like...(WICF is the name of it incase u were wondering).

Difference is, Garou's aren't invisible and don't have feats of bypassing enhanced senses.

Instictive reactions potent enough to allow him to fight people comparable, and in some cases superior to him in every stat.

Haki already grants Instinctive Reaction, and that's just his body moving on its own, that isn't a feat of enhanced senses but body control. Not that it compares to Kenbunshoku granted senses.

 

[SnookB]

Garou's side of the arguments sounding like a whole lot of "Source: Trust me bro"

 

[Kachon123]

Haki already grants Instinctive Reaction, and that's just his body moving on its own, that isn't a feat of enhanced senses but body control. Not that it compares to Kenbunshoku granted senses.

Just because Kenbun gives IR, and they struggled to dodge Kaifu, that doesn't mean that Garou's IR can't dodge it.

Garou's surface level IR allows his body to dodge attacks automatically, whether seen or unseen. If anything, that's just an antifeat for Kenbun, or an outlier.

 

[KingTempest]

garou also has air slash techniques, so like...(WICF is the name of it incase u were wondering).

They invisible?
Can they be thrown repeatedly?

The Ryou that Kaido tanked were from people 1/4 of his AP iirc.

They more than 3/4ths of his AP, and Luffy's is relative

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Garou's side of the arguments sounding like a whole lot of "Source: Trust me bro"

I literally posted more scans than anyone in this thread

 

[KingTempest]

Just because Kenbun gives IR, and they struggled to dodge Kaifu, that doesn't mean that Garou's IR can't dodge it.

Garou's surface level IR allows his body to dodge attacks automatically, whether seen or unseen. If anything, that's just an antifeat for Kenbun, or an outlier.

This isn't an antifeat or an outlier.
It means it scales above it

 

[Magmag]

Difference is, Garou's aren't invisible and don't have feats of bypassing enhanced senses.

maybe cuz air just isn't visible...ur kinda overhyping it. atomic samurai has the same exact attack...

 

[Kachon123]

Can they be thrown repeatedly?

Yes.

 

[LordGinSama]

Just because Kenbun gives IR, and they struggled to dodge Kaifu, that doesn't mean that Garou's IR can't dodge it.

Proof that Garou's is better?

Garou's surface level IR allows his body to dodge attacks automatically, whether seen or unseen. If anything, that's just an antifeat for Kenbun, or an outlier.

It's neither one, that's a feat for Kaido if anything. And by default, Instinctive Reaction already covers that, all Instinctive Reaction is, is automatic movement.

 

[KingTempest]

maybe cuz air just isn't visible...ur kinda overhyping it. atomic samurai has the same exact attack...

Compressed air attacks are visible in every single verse

Even in One Piece.

A person who can send an air attack, see air attacks, deflect air attacks, said his are invisible

 

[Magmag]

They invisible?
Can they be thrown repeatedly?

i mean if he wanted to slash air, he could...

 

[SnookB]

I literally posted more scans than anyone in this thread

The scan of vaporization looks like violent fragmentation- obliteration at best.
The scan of Garou's dura neg makes it sound far less severe than what Ryuou does
And while yes, Garou adapting as fast as he does during his awakened state IS factual, Kaido is just as good in that department, so it isn't one-sided there.

 

[LordGinSama]

i mean if he wanted to slash air, he could...

So like do you have any real argument aside from "Well he could..."

 

[Magmag]

A person who can send an air attack, see air attacks, deflect air attacks, said his are invisible

scans from denjiro? cuz i dont recall this, op been on break too long.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

The scan of vaporization looks like violent fragmentation- obliteration at best

Look, I can even understand you saying melting, but fragmentation?

 

[Magmag]

So like do you have any real argument aside from "Well he could..."

yeah, he will...is that what u wanted?

 

[LordGinSama]

yeah, he will...is that what u wanted?

No scans are what I want, not words.

You said Garou could make his wind attacks invisible. Prove it to me with feats of him doing so rather than just empty words please.

 

[Magmag]

No scans are what I want, not words.

You said Garou could make his wind attacks invisible. Prove it to me with feats of him doing so rather than just empty words please.

did the link not send?

 

[SnookB]

It's honestly his regular equipment since he just pulls it out of his pocket

I just wanna say that this is nonsense as hell but Kaido has a Pocket of Holding or some shit- that barrel was too big to be anywhere on him but he had it anyway

Look, I can even understand you saying melting, but fragmentation?

It looks like violent frag- everything else looks like dust kicking up.
If you argue the dust is smoke from the attack then it might be oblietration since the blast is blowing the station to dust, but we don't see steam even after it's done. Just a whole lotta rubble

 

[KingTempest]

scans from denjiro? cuz i dont recall this, op been on break too long.

 

[LordGinSama]

did the link not send?

That's not invisible.

 

[KingTempest]

I just wanna say that this is nonsense as hell but Kaido has a Pocket of Holding or some shit- that barrel was too big to be anywhere on him but he had it anyway

Nonsense as hell on Oda's part. You know damn well he pulled that barrel out of his ass

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Shockwaves are simply air being pressed down too hard. Why is this becoming a debate here? It is simply physics, kinetic energy. There is nothing supernatural like "ignores enhanced senses". Being invisible or not is more a matter of how the author likes to represent this kind of attack, not least because in the end it is simply air in any case

 

[SnookB]

Nonsense as hell on Oda's part. You know damn well he pulled that barrel out of his ass

I'll just assume it was under his big ol' feather coat and not just conveniently fitting into a pocket like he's an RPG character
But because it's One Piece, the latter sounds more canon somehow

 

[LordGinSama]

Shockwaves are simply air being pressed down too hard. Why is this becoming a debate here? It is simply physics, kinetic energy. There is nothing supernatural like "ignores enhanced senses". Being invisible or not is more a matter of how the author likes to represent this kind of attack, not least because in the end it is simply air in any case

Kaidou's air blades aren't shockwaves.

 

[KingTempest]

Shockwaves are simply air being pressed down too hard. Why is this becoming a debate here? It is simply physics, kinetic energy. There is nothing supernatural like "ignores enhanced senses". Being invisible or not is more a matter of how the author likes to represent this kind of attack, not least because in the end it is simply air in any case

#1 air and shockwaves aren't the same

#2 people who can see regular compressed air slashes can't see Kaidou's

that's the point

 

[SnookB]

That's not invisible.

That's Whirlwind Iron Cutting Fist, and it requires direct contact.
Definitely not "air slashes". Just a H2H technique that produces slahes

 

[Magmag]

That's Whirlwind Iron Cutting Fist, and it requires direct contact.
Definitely not "air slashes". Just a H2H technique that produces slahes

direct contact?

 

[KingTempest]

Oh they're fighting on Onigashima?

Kaidou's lifting it and tilting that shit, sending Garou off

 

[SnookB]

direct contact?

That technique literally has to hit you PHYSICALLY.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I am not understanding anything at this point

 

[Magmag]

That technique literally has to hit you PHYSICALLY.

well yeah, to hit someone the attack has to hit them...thats every single stat based attack...

 

[Megaraptor149]

Garou will evolve untill Kaido cant keep up with him and get sliced

 

[LordGinSama]

#KaidouSweep

 

[SnookB]

well yeah, to hit someone the attack has to hit them...thats every single stat based attack...

Then it's not even close to being an invisible air slash.
Kaido's go dozens of meters if not longer. Garou has to physically touch you. Kaifu and WICF are not comparable.

 

[KingTempest]

Garou will evolve untill Kaido cant keep up with him and get sliced

Kaidou will kill him before he evolves too far.
Case in point, Luffy

 

[Magmag]

Then it's not even close to being an invisible air slash.
Kaido's go dozens of meters if not longer. Garou has to physically touch you. Kaifu and WICF are not comparable.

im still not understanding ur point, kaidos slash also has to phyiscally hit u to slash off ur arm...

 

[KingTempest]

Then it's not even close to being an invisible air slash.
Kaido's go dozens of meters if not longer. Garou has to physically touch you. Kaifu and WICF are not comparable.

Tens of thousands, them ***** hit clouds the height of Onigashima away from Kaidou

 

[SnookB]

Tens of thousands, them ***** hit clouds the height of Onigashima away from Kaidou

I entirely forgot about the time he tagged G5 in the sky- that's true

 

[KingTempest]

im still not understanding ur point, kaidos slash also has to phyiscally hit to to slash of ur arm...

Kaidou's slash is produced from a distance and Kaidou doesn't need to touch the enemy
Garou's slash is produced when Garou himself touches the enemy