IF (Ultra Series) vs Garou (OPM)

[WanderingGecko]

The last time these two faced off, their match ended without a conclusion, and we never got to see who actually won.

So let's try again, shall we?

IF (Ultra Series):

Garou (One Punch Man): @Catbowtie

Inconclusive:

Battle Conditions:

• 4th Form IF
• Awakened Garou: Cosmic Fear Mode
• SBA
• Speed Equalized

AP Scaling

IF:
4th Form IF (215.931867 ZettaFoe)
4th Form IF >> Max > Junis Blue Nexus in Dark Field ≈ Junis Nexus > Chaos Ultraman = Corona Mode Cosmos > Gaia SV (215.931867 ZettaFoe)

Garou:
Garou (56.394 ExaFoe, possibly 36.38245 ZettaFoe)

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

Following

 

[WanderingGecko]

The full extent of IF’s Reactive Evolution is compiled in this page.

 

[Catbowtie]

Garou should have no problem dodging IF's Danmaku with his portals. Garou can summon multiple portals to get to IF and punch through them too. Garou's immediate reaction to getting surrounded by Saitama's afterimages was to portal out of there immediately, and the only reason he failed was because Saitama was faster. For something like IF, unless it is able to predict where Garou's portals will appear, Garou will able to comfortably dodge danmaku.

Garou looks at IF once and immediately understands it's Energy Manipulation.

• Extrasensory Perception (Can feel and understand the flow of all energy in the universe. Could tell what Blast's abilities were at a glance and was capable of copying the exact usage of his techniques with that information[1][3])
  
  
• Energy Manipulation (Has mastered the flow and control of all energy in the universe[1])

IF doesn't have resistance to Garou's Matter Manipulation (Atomic) and Explosion Manipulation, especially Garou's Radiation Manipulation, since it goes far above the resistance of IF.

...His nuclear fission punches would release 240 Grays of radiation at the hypocenter and his Gamma Ray Burst would emit 83.6 billion Grays.[5] It should be noted that the effectiveness of Garou's radioactive presence was actually significantly reduced by Blast actively diverting most of his cosmic rays to another dimension the entire time[6])

Compared to

• Resistance to Radiation Manipulation and Temperature Manipulation (Traveled from space to Earth without any problems[1])

Which is unquantifiable.

Since it's SBA, Garou is going to be 36.38245 ZettaFoe. It's around a six times difference, but here's the thing: Garou just mimics it's power and jumps to it's level. Garou reacted to and instantly copied then matched Saitama's Serious Punch. Garou spam this mimicry if he feels like he needs to. Gravity Knuckle absorbs any missiles that actually manage to hit Garou, and Garou can BFR IF should Garou feel he can't win against IF.

IF's LS is horrendous. Garou can straight up kill it if he catches it in a black hole.

• Black Hole Creation (Created a black hole[1])

Or just manhandle it with his superior LS

Class Y (Copied Saitama's strength after he flipped Io with a single hand), up to Pre-Stellar (Grew many times stronger than before), Varies with Power Mimicry, higher with Reactive Evolution

I can see IF winning if it blasts Garou with it's 4th Form Deconstruction. It kills him instantly, but with how skilled Garou is and how the attack is used, I really don't see Garou falling for something like that, especially if he immediately understands it from his Extrasensory Perception

 

[WanderingGecko]

Garou should have no problem dodging IF's Danmaku with his portals. Garou can summon multiple portals to get to IF and punch through them too. Garou's immediate reaction to getting surrounded by Saitama's afterimages was to portal out of there immediately, and the only reason he failed was because Saitama was faster. For something like IF, unless it is able to predict where Garou's portals will appear, Garou will able to comfortably dodge danmaku.

IF could just tank the attack and copy it immediately as he had no problem of doing so with Max's attacks. He could copy someone's ability after tanking it and make it even more potent (also making himself resistant to it), and this goes on infinitely.

IF doesn't have resistance to Garou's Matter Manipulation (Atomic) and Explosion Manipulation, especially Garou's Radiation Manipulation, since it goes far above the resistance of IF.

Again, IF can just easily adapt to those abilities, cause as I mentioned, his potency is infinite and the more he tanks an attack the more he grows stronger/resists it.

Since it's SBA, Garou is going to be 36.38245 ZettaFoe. It's around a six times difference, but here's the thing: Garou just mimics it's power and jumps to it's level. Garou reacted to and instantly copied then matched Saitama's Serious Punch. Garou spam this mimicry if he feels like he needs to. Gravity Knuckle absorbs any missiles that actually manage to hit Garou, and Garou can BFR IF should Garou feel he can't win against IF.

IF's LS is horrendous. Garou can straight up kill it if he catches it in a black hole.

And IF could just mimick it back rather easily, as again, he can grow and copy endlessly until his enemy is eventually defeated. From the looks of it, his portal's not really at the size which could send a 54m kaiju away.

IF's LS is horrendous. Garou can straight up kill it if he catches it in a black hole.

IF it's not in the infinite 4-D range, IF could still copy it as he could copy an Ultra's Physiology which could tamper with 4-D stuff.

Or just manhandle it with his superior LS

He can just adapt to Garou's strength and adapt to it, becoming even stronger in the process.

I can see IF winning if it blasts Garou with it's 4th Form Deconstruction. It kills him instantly, but with how skilled Garou is and how the attack is used, I really don't see Garou falling for something like that, especially if he immediately understands it from his Extrasensory Perception

IF wouldn't really start out by just shooting out a Maximum Canon, he only spammed it because Max had just recently shotted it at him, and IF could charge it up way faster than when he did the first time after hitting Max with his own Eye Slugger.

So yeah unless Garou's adaptation/copy abilities is higher than infinite, IF's not losing this anytime soon.

 

[MrTayman616]

IF could just tank the attack and copy it immediately as he had no problem of doing so with Max's attacks. He could copy someone's ability after tanking it and make it even more potent

Garou can do the same. Also Garou's radiation is passive and kills him instantly, his resistance is nowhere enough to survive. he can't adapt since it would instantly kill him.

his portal's not really at the size which could send a 54m kaiju away.

They choose the size of the portals. Blast showed it as well when he himself teleports the entire HQ.

Also does it copy Martial Arts? or only powers?

 

[WanderingGecko]

Garou can do the same. Also Garou's radiation is passive and kills him instantly, his resistance is nowhere enough to survive. he can't adapt since it would instantly kill him.

He adapted to Max’s attack with a gap that was as big as missile level to 3-C, and he adapted to stuff that would immediately kill him, there’s no “insta killing” IF here.

They choose the size of the portals. Blast showed it as well when he himself teleports the entire HQ.

Also does it copy Martial Arts? or only powers?

That’s Blast, not Garou. Though if could BFR IF, where would that send him?

It can, it can literally copy anything you throw at it and make it stronger. In the fight it copied Max’s fighting style and was better than Max at fighting.

 

[MrTayman616]

He adapted to Max’s attack with a gap that was as big as missile level to 3-C, and he adapted to stuff that would immediately kill him, there’s no “insta killing” IF here.

Uh... how is it related to instantly killing radiation that isn't even physical attack. Did he tank the attack and adapt to it later? even then it doesn't matter as that's not the same situation.

That’s Blast, not Garou. Though if could BFR IF, where would that send him?

Another dimension.

 

[WanderingGecko]

Uh... how is it related to instantly killing radiation that isn't even physical attack. Did he tank the attack and adapt to it later? even then it doesn't matter as that's not the same situation.

Because it shows that he’s potent enough to copy stuff that’s way higher than his paygrade. Doesn’t matter if it’s the same or not, if it’s something conventional than he could just easily adapt and resist it.

Another dimension.

Is there any proof of that? Since iirc, he only attempted to teleport Saitama to someplace else, not another dimension all together.

 

[MrTayman616]

Because it shows that he’s potent enough to copy stuff that’s way higher than his paygrade. Doesn’t matter if it’s the same or not, if it’s something conventional than he could just easily adapt and resist it.

No, just because you adapt to an attack higher than your physical capability doesn't mean you can survive against anything no matter how instantly it can kill you + you're talking about an physical attack which isn't related to radiation at all.

Is there any proof of that? Since iirc, he only attempted to teleport Saitama to someplace else, not another dimension all together.

Blast sent him to another dimension, he came back with a portal. It's already enough to show it + accepted in his profile as well

 

[Bernkastelll]

Because it shows that he’s potent enough to copy stuff that’s way higher than his paygrade. Doesn’t matter if it’s the same or not, if it’s something conventional than he could just easily adapt and resist it.

NLF, adapting to attack potency isnt the same as adapting to a insta-kill radiation

 

[Catbowtie]

IF could just tank the attack and copy it immediately as he had no problem of doing so with Max's attacks. He could copy someone's ability after tanking it and make it even more potent (also making himself resistant to it), and this goes on infinitely.

The portals aren't an attack. Show me scans of IF copying anything remotely similar to Garou's Portal Creation.

Again, IF can just easily adapt to those abilities, cause as I mentioned, his potency is infinite and the more he tanks an attack the more he grows stronger/resists it.

No Limits Fallacy. The potency of his adaptability only goes up to what is shown. If he hasn't shown being able to adapt to things similar to what Garou is throwing out, he simply can't adapt to it. And it doesn't take away from the fact that it needs to get hit and hurt for it to adapt.

And IF could just mimick it back rather easily, as again, he can grow and copy endlessly until his enemy is eventually defeated. From the looks of it, his portal's not really at the size which could send a 54m kaiju away.

You are severely overblowing these statements. It's hyperbole for the sake of making it out to be a dangerous opponent, not that it can literally adapt to anything infinitely. And again, it's "infinite" adaptation doesn't mean it doesn't have limits. Show me what it's Adaptation and Reactive Evolution looks like.

IF it's not in the infinite 4-D range, IF could still copy it as he could copy an Ultra's Physiology which could tamper with 4-D stuff.

IF can't copy Black Hole Creation if it's dead.

He can just adapt to Garou's strength and adapt to it, becoming even stronger in the process.

Wrong. Nowhere does it say that IF can make large leaps in power like that, especially in his LS section. He's not going to jump from Class M to Class Y with a single adaptation.

By your logic, what's to say that Garou can't just reactively adapt to everything IF has?

• Reactive Evolution (Developed the ability to resist Gyoro Gyoro's psychic abilities after brief exposure)

Garou either rips it apart with his superior LS or beats it to death with the AP difference. Garou literally has infinite AP baked into his profile

• Indefinite Accelerated Development (Breaking the limiter removes the cap on their physical growth, allowing them to continuously grow forever)

Whereas IF vaguely can adapt infinitely based off of taking the statements shown to be the absolute truth. One of the statements is literally this:

A monster that no amount of force can defeat, yet it is so powerful that it is terrifying.

This is just hyperbole.

 

[WanderingGecko]

No, just because you adapt to an attack higher than your physical capability doesn't mean you can survive against anything no matter how instantly it can kill you + you're talking about an physical attack which isn't related to radiation at all

Well bad news IF can, and his potential to adapt is limitless as it’s literally stated, so you can’t argue for NLF too as the stuff he has copied and his statements have proven it (check the scans I gave the other guy).

Blast sent him to another dimension, he came back with a portal. It's already enough to show + accepted in his profile as well

IF could just conjure up a portal to return back as he has copied Max’s Ultra Physiology (EyeSlugger).

NLF, adapting to attack potency isnt the same as adapting to a insta-kill radiation

There’s no “NLF” for IF here as it doesn’t go above his potency to adapt to anything “infinitely”. And with how the series was portrayed with space-time hax, 1-A, plot manipulation, him being a potential candidate for the strongest monster after his series ended, it’s not farfetch he could adapt to it.

 

[WanderingGecko]

The portals aren't an attack. Show me scans of IF copying anything remotely similar to Garou's Portal Creation.

Their a mechanism of attack and IF can copy it after receiving said attacks, I literally gave you a scan which described how potent his adaptation was.

No Limits Fallacy. The potency of his adaptability only goes up to what is shown. If he hasn't shown being able to adapt to things similar to what Garou is throwing out, he simply can't adapt to it. And it doesn't take away from the fact that it needs to get hit and hurt for it to adapt.

Plain out wrong, it’s still in the limits of his copying ability and anything that isn’t 4-D isn’t impossible for him to copy.

You are severely overblowing these statements. It's hyperbole for the sake of making it out to be a dangerous opponent, not that it can literally adapt to anything infinitely. And again, it's "infinite" adaptation doesn't mean it doesn't have limits. Show me what it's Adaptation and Reactive Evolution looks like.

I’m not overblowing anything, you’re downplaying IF’s Reactive Evo here if anything. You literally just lowballed his statement to your liking lol. It’s compiled here, check for yourself.

Wrong. Nowhere does it say that IF can make large leaps in power like that, especially in his LS section. He's not going to jump from Class M to Class Y with a single adaptation.

By your logic, what's to say that Garou can't just reactively adapt to everything IF has?

Again wrong, he deadass jumped from missile level to 3-C when tanking Max’s attack, yes he would lol and there’s nothing contradicting it.

I never said Garou couldn’t did I?

Garou either rips it apart with his superior LS or beats it to death with the AP difference. Garou literally has infinite AP baked into his profile

Not possible lol as he can just adapt and grow stronger again. Stop lowballing.

Whereas IF vaguely can adapt infinitely based off of taking the statements shown to be the absolute truth. One of the statements is literally this:

Nitpicking at it’s finest, that’s literally only one of it’s statements that you picked out whilst the others supported it’s potency of being infinite.

Oh and about the black-hole thingie I’ll come back to that later.

 

[Catbowtie]

I found it's limits:

Weaknesses: Can adapt/evolve to something unbeneficial. So far we have only seen him mimic physical attacks, projectiles, energy-based attacks, and music.

Let's make the donuts.

Well bad news IF can, and his potential to adapt is limitless as it’s literally stated, so you can’t argue for NLF too as the stuff he has copied and his statements have proven it (check the scans I gave the other guy).

Again, only goes up to that particular feat.

IF could just conjure up a portal to return back as he has copied Max’s Ultra Physiology (EyeSlugger).

Physiology? You mean body parts? As in, nothing relating to how Garou's Portal Creation works? IF isn't even smart enough to do that

Intelligence: Hasn't shown any signs of significant intelligence, was shown to act animalistic and attacked on instinct throughout its appearance.

Next you're going to say that it can adapt to be a Supergenius. Get out of here.

Their a mechanism of attack and IF can copy it after receiving said attacks, I literally gave you a scan which described how potent his adaptation was.

Not on the profile. Try again.

Plain out wrong, it’s still in the limits of his copying ability and anything that isn’t 4-D isn’t impossible for him to copy.

Wrong again. Re-read Weaknesses.

I’m not overblowing anything, you’re downplaying IF’s Reactive Evo here if anything. You literally just lowballed his statement to your liking lol. It’s compiled here, check for yourself.

Sure pal.

Again wrong, he deadass jumped from missile level to 3-C when tanking Max’s attack, yes he would lol and there’s nothing contradicting it.

I never said Garou couldn’t did I?

Unknown. Possibly Galaxy level (Was able to briefly fight and push back Ultraman Max though it was easily defeated)

Not possible lol as he can just adapt and grow stronger again. Stop lowballing.

Did you even read my message? Lol.

Nitpicking at it’s finest, that’s literally only one of it’s statements that you picked out whilst the others supported it’s potency of being infinite.

Ok

Garou FRA. I don't see a reason in humoring this.

 

[MrTayman616]

Well bad news IF can, and his potential to adapt is limitless as it’s literally stated, so you can’t argue for NLF too as the stuff he has copied and his statements have proven it (check the scans I gave the other guy).

Im not saying he's not capable enough to adapt radiation. He can adapt to radiation =/= he can adapt to a level of radiation that will kill him instantly which is passive which means the atrack is already there.

There’s no “NLF” for IF here as it doesn’t go above his potency to adapt to anything “infinitely”. And with how the series was portrayed with space-time hax, 1-A, plot manipulation, him being a potential candidate for the strongest monster after his series ended, it’s not farfetch he could adapt to it.

...Its accepted as multiverse+ at the end of series, not that it matters.

his page has "weakness" where it explains the limits as well.

 

[WanderingGecko]

I found it's limits:

Inaccurate as the profile hasn’t been properly revised since it was first created.

Again, only goes up to that particular feat.

Wrong, his potency says otherwise.

Physiology? You mean body parts? As in, nothing relating to how Garou's Portal Creation works? IF isn't even smart enough to do that

Duh, I’m talking about the Ultra Physiology that he copied lol, what you on about?

Next you're going to say that it can adapt to be a Supergenius. Get out of here.

Never said that.

Wrong again. Re-read Weaknesses.

Horrendously wrong, watch the episode.

Did you even read my message? Lol.

I did, and it made me lose braincells with just how bad of a take it was.

And this will be my last reply to you, at least the others are sensible or I’ll close this for a bit and revise his copy potency if that’s what you’re begging for.

Im not saying he's not capable enough to adapt radiation. He can adapt to radiation =/= he can adapt to a level of radiation that will kill him instantly which is passive which means the atrack is already there.

And nothing suggests his limits stop there especially with how his adaptation was treated as something that could go on infinitely.

...Its accepted as multiverse+ at the end of series, not that it matters.

I worded it wrongly, apologies, what I meant was “Reality > Fiction” elements that was in Max’s series (as my revision has been dipped by everyone).

his page has "weakness" where it explains the limits as well.

His page is highly outdated and haven’t been changed to what it should be. I’ll count that other guy’s vote and will close this for the time being.

 

[MrTayman616]

And nothing suggests his limits stop there especially with how his adaptation was treated as something that could go on infinitely.

Thats not it at all. You're literally saying his copy is faster than instant death. being able to get stronger infinitely with no limit doesn't grant you anything close to that.

 

[WanderingGecko]

Thats not it at all. You're literally saying his copy is faster than instant death. being able to get stronger infinitely with no limit doesn't grant you anything close to that.

His radiation isn’t literal insta death, it’s just radiation which IF could just adapt to. That’s inaccurate, he doesn’t just get “infinitely stronger”, he also grows “resistant” too. And again, I’ve realized just how outdated his profile is so there’s problems like his inaccurate weakness and so on, I’ll close this for the time being, and will prolly make another one after exams.

 

[Peter1129]

So uhh just wondering isn’t the whole point of Garou’s radiation that it could kill biological things like humans and stuff? Like we even see that his radiation can’t kill Genos who’s a cyborg.

So would the radiation even matter to IF who has inorganic physiology and is stated to have no basic living functions like a pulse or respiratory function?

 

[Antvasima]

WanderingGecko asked me to close this thread.