Four Knights of the Apocalypse/Nanatsu no Taizai Main Discussion Thread

[Majinere566]

Has anyone checked out the list?

 

[Aether2734]

I believe Elizabeth physically isn't that weak

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

She can lift diane while flying when mael blow sky land

Does Diane have a stated weight or any other measurements?

 

[Majinere566]

Does Diane have a stated weight or any other measurements?

She's 30ft tall

Don't think anything else was given

 

[Aether2734]

Does Diane have a stated weight or any other measurements?

Even nakaba keep secret about diane weight

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

She's 30ft tall

Could we use her height to measure her weight by finding the difference between her and the average height and weight of women?

 

[Aether2734]

I mean, diane weight wasn't nesccesary
Just to proof a bit if she doesn't lacks of strength, also by using ark telekinesis she capable throwing away weakened demon king

 

[ByAsura]

Drole is almost 3 tonnes.

So, I'd say lifting Diane is Class 1.

 

[Makai641001]

You're literally just copy-pasting the sources from the entire page that have nothing to do with the quote. I was saying that the claim you're talking about itself is unsourced.

Ok, @Makai64100 Speed is claiming that you have evidence of darkness being connected to Hellblaze. Is this true?

No it’s not true but i’ll try to find one eventually

 

[Makai641001]

Did Elizabeth stop Deri's hand and make it explode or was Deri the one who exploded it to get rid of El's Ark?

Clearly Elisabeth stopped her hand and destroyed it BUT Ark is considered as durability Negation it deconstruct demons

 

[ByAsura]

Should still put her >> Nerobasta.

 

[Makai641001]

Should still put her >> Nerobasta.

Easily yeah she instantly deconstructed her hand

 

[speedster352]

Should still put her >> Nerobasta.

But ark still has durability negation and she would have been lollies by Derieri so maybe this just scales to her ap

 

[Aether2734]

Deconstruction can't be scale to ap iirc

 

[speedster352]

Deconstruction can't be scale to ap iirc

Well byashura made a thread on it and it should scale sometimes only for ap.

 

[ByAsura]

I don't recall making a thread, I just recall saying once that Meliodas has extremely high resistance and harming his stronger forms might scale.

Nerobasta damaging Derieri is straight up the reason why we don't do 1:1 scaling with Ark.

 

[speedster352]

I don't recall making a thread, I just recall saying once that Meliodas has extremely high resistance and harming his stronger forms might scale.

Nerobasta damaging Derieri is straight up the reason why we don't do 1:1 scaling with Ark.

Okay

 

[Makai641001]

Deconstruction can't be scale to ap iirc

But Nerobasta’s deconstruction was far less powerful hence why we’ll Scale Eli to her as a lowball

 

[Zezu1995]

speedster , question do u have to like every comment? xd

 

[Zezu1995]

wait nero damaged deri? i thought they tanked it

 

[helper]

speedster , question do u have to like every comment? xd

yes he have too

 

[ByAsura]

wait nero damaged deri? i thought they tanked it

Nerobasta obliterated Derieri's hair, and would have gone further if it wasn't stopped.

 

[speedster352]

Nerobasta obliterated Derieri's hair, and would have gone further if it wasn't stopped.

That’s still superficial damage the fact that it was stoped easily just means it wasn’t that powerful. Anyway how’s life?

 

[speedster352]

Nerobasta obliterated Derieri's hair, and would have gone further if it wasn't stopped.

We got a translation and Majin added season 2 enchantment list

 

[speedster352]

Arthur should get subjective reality since he can create things from his and other peoples thoughts and dreams(Jericho for example) chaos and cath too possibly

I'm not talking about Darkness, I'm talking about Hellblaze.

Thoughts?

 

[speedster352]

I don't recall making a thread, I just recall saying once that Meliodas has extremely high resistance and harming his stronger forms might scale.

Nerobasta damaging Derieri is straight up the reason why we don't do 1:1 scaling with Ark.

Have you tagged people for your helbram calc?

 

[ByAsura]

That’s still superficial damage

It was superficial damage because she stopped it to begin with.

Also, it was breaking off parts of her face and causing some darkness to recede.

the fact that it was stoped easily just means it wasn’t that powerful.

Yes, why do you think we're scaling Elizabeth above her?

Anyway how’s life?

Fine

Have you tagged people for your helbram calc?

Yes.

We got a translation

No we didn't. That was just Makai agreeing that a second opinion is needed.

 

[speedster352]

It was superficial damage because she stopped it to begin with.

Also, it was breaking off parts of her face.

Yes, why do you think we're scaling Elizabeth above her?

Fine

Yes.

No we didn't. That was just Makai agreeing that a second opinion is needed.

It looks clear as day since makai translated anyway it’s cool to have a second opinion I guess. Cool arc still has limited durability negation vessel Nero is no where near as stong as her true self that is easily weaker than commandments by her own admission.

 

[ByAsura]

Yes, I know. That's why she's just >>> lesser Demons and Denzel.

 

[speedster352]

Yes, I know. That's why she's just >>> lesser Demons and Denzel.

What would the scaling chain look like if AM multipliers was applied to all versions of Meliodas?

 

[speedster352]

Yes, I know. That's why she's just >>> lesser Demons and Denzel.

What would Elizabeth ap be anyway?

 

[ByAsura]

What would the scaling chain look like if AM multipliers was applied to all versions of Meliodas?

Barely any different, aside from Meliodas himself.

Since The One Mael probably scales much higher, the only character who'd be affected is DK Britannia to a minor degree.

What would Elizabeth ap be anyway?

Now that I'm thinking about it, I suppose the rating would be no different to her normal key, since she already overpowered Ash Hendrickson in a way that definitely scales to AP.

 

[speedster352]

Since The One Mael probably scales much higher, the only character who'd be affected is DK Britannia to a minor degree.

Meliodas and mael are equals

 

[speedster352]

Barely any different, aside from Meliodas himself.

Since The One Mael probably scales much higher, the only character who'd be affected is DK Britannia to a minor degree.

Now that I'm thinking about it, I suppose the rating would be no different to her normal key, since she already overpowered Ash Hendrickson in a way that definitely scales to AP.

Any luck with sandbox? What would speed scaling chain look like?

 

[speedster352]

Okay here's a list I complied for season 1. I avoided using Gilthunder due to inconsistency.


(Potentially)- A Knight from Slader's Group seems to encase his arrow with his magic although it looks like it loses it's enchantment after gowther catches it(chapter 54)


(Potentially)- Helbram receives an amp via link which then encases his body and sword with magic but after that it's not seen on his sword or body (chapter 74)

Hendrickson's Enchanted Sword in Chapter 80 and later backed up by it being called Enchant Hellblaze in chapter 81

Red Demon Blood Hendrickson infuses darkness to his blade (Chapter 88)


Season 2:

King uses a sacred treasure release (chapter 118)

Beserk Meliodas uses darkness on Lostvayne (chapter 121)

Don't know if this counts but I'll just put it in here(chapter 133)

King seems like he's encasing his increase with magic (chapter166)

Gloxina (chapter 172&175)

Estarossa (Chapter 177)

Zaratras (192)

I'm not talking about Darkness, I'm talking about Hellblaze.

Thoughts?

 

[ByAsura]

Meliodas and mael are equals

I've already given more context to the statement.

They're equal, but it doesn't refer to The One.

Given Escanor's showings, The One Mael would definitely be >>> Holy War Assault Mode.

Any luck with sandbox?

No, because I'm waiting for confirmation on that statement.

What would speed scaling chain look like?

That's coming later.

 

[speedster352]

Given Escanor's showings, The One Mael would definitely be >>> Holy War Assault Mode.

That’s headcanon Esacnor has different feats because he gave up his life Mael was scared out of his mind to even face DK so don’t bring that scaling here at all.

 

[ByAsura]

Firstly, he only directly gave up his life for power later, as I showed.

Secondly, Mael is has scaling to/well above previous forms of Near-Noon Escanor prior to the DK fight, which I was referring to. So The One Mael >> 412.2 Teraton Assault Mode fight The One Escanor.

Lastly, you're talking about Mael well after/well before Noon.

 

[speedster352]

Firstly, he only gave up his life later, as I showed.

Secondly, Mael is still has scaling to/well above previous forms of Near-Noon Escanor prior to the DK fight, which I was referring to.

Nope there is no concrete scaling. Mael was going crazy even sensing the DK power now your saying he is comparable to final shine Escanor hell no. That also leads to circular scaling. If Mael was strong as DK why didn’t he beat him or Meliodas for that matter? Why is extremely clear that half power SD is far above the archangels? Ludoceil the normally strongest archangels was scared of Meliodas in demon mark and asked for backup. This Meliodas probably don’t have his commandment.

 

[speedster352]

No it’s not true but i’ll try to find one eventually

What are your thoughts on this?