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Fairy Tail Speed Revisions

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....What?! heck no Base Erza = Strongest Armor that doesn't make any sense, sorry. No that not a good argument, she just couldn't react in her lightning armor but can in her Clear Cloth. Don't forget that speed can also be use for offense capabilities

No this is actually pure reaction speed since she DODGDE a lighting bolt (which is what u also know she did)
 
Blacke, her lighting armor is no doubt heavier than her Clear Cloth armor so one can conclude that she got faster because she was lighter and not because of the inherent properties of the Clear Cloth armor.
 
Jvando said:
Ehh not yet, you should bother a CGM once more to look over my revised calc since they didn't comment after I did it. It's more of a formality since Alex said it was correct, but he can't eval work he's helped on so.
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Oh,ok
 
Jvando said:
Blacke, her lighting armor is no doubt heavier than her Clear Cloth armor so one can conclude that she got faster because she was lighter and not because of the inherent properties of the Clear Cloth armor.
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Also she need to use magic to wear those armors, it drain erza more faster
 
Jvando said:
Blacke, her lighting armor is no doubt heavier than her Clear Cloth armor so one can conclude that she got faster because she was lighter and not because of the inherent properties of the Clear Cloth armor.
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Ah so the purpose of that armor (since it increase offensive capabilities) removes the restricts as well for better movement as well. So yes it does increase speed but by how much idk
 
I mean, sure but its unless one is trying to argue a 10-20 kg suit of armor is gonna drop the speed of a Class G to any relevant extent, let alone from 0.03 cc to mach 4k, it doesn't matter.

Also, on the new speed ratings, since Starry skies is canon now and PoF is accepted as not amping speed, we have X784 reacting to X791 with no speed difference between them. So Gajeel's sub-rel feats might be legit as they were rejected due to being so close to the top and god tiers despite 2 timeskips. But now we have seven years changing little to nothing and a year of constant training does barely anything.
 
Gajeel also had 3 MHS feats.

Something I will not agree with is Sub-Rel BoS. Some characters have been unable to avoid CtG lightning and that already makes me think MHS+ is wanked.

Plus, one of those Sub-Rel feats was flawed, so that makes one Sub-Rel feat mathematically valid.
 
X792 Characters: Sub-Relativistic (2.23% SoL)

100 Year Quest Characters and God Tiers: Sub-Relativistic (3.2% SoL)

So this is good then, correct
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
X792 Characters: Sub-Relativistic (2.23% SoL)

100 Year Quest Characters and God Tiers: Sub-Relativistic (3.2% SoL)

So this is good then, correct
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I believe the God Tiers should be twice as fast already Wendy proved that Dragon Force increases speed by more than 2 times.

You use Natsu's quote to say it's inconsistent, don't you? but he says the power goes up 3 times and says nothing about speed
 
Base Erza scales to Sub-Rel, some characters will get likely and others will get it straight up

No one in X792 was betrayed as far faster than other characters, speed is pretty consistent throughout
 
The Calaca said:
Didn't we agree to scale a few characters to Sub Rel in X792?
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This feat was done by Erza in her strongest armor and this is reaction speed as well. People like Lucy, Wendy, and Levy (and the other fodders) do not scale to a more powerful opponent who they know they cant beat
 
Strongest Armors don't increase speed, so this scales to base Erza speed as well
 
What Mitch said.

Also in regards to Shadow bringing up the amps and DF, base Irene did fight an amped Erza so the top and god tiers should scale to double the Deus Sema feat. Note I am not applying the x2 speed amp to DF and honestly don't care about that argument.
 
a Wendy Enchantment Doubles the speed (not the same one she used on Erza) and after she was Defeated, she used the Dragon Force and was faster than her Enchantment

If Dragon Force is faster than an Enchantment that doubles its speed, then it is at least 2x faster.

it's the same logic we use in the red Lightning
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Strongest Armors don't increase speed, so this scales to base Erza speed as well
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This was legit performed by one of her armors like cmon this makes no sense. U know darn well this wasn't performed in her standard (Base) armor so again this DOESNT scale to her in Base but her strongest armor

Her Clear Cloth was THE ONLY armor to react to Laxus but nothing else can't
 
Yes, she was in her strongest armors, I'm not denying that at all, however her strongest armors don't increase speed barring the Flight Armor, Base Erza Speed is equal `to her Strongest Armor speed, there's no statement that she gets faster with her strongest armors, all they change is AP and Durability, we haven't had a "Faster with Strongest Armors Key ever" cause they don't increase speed like DF does

Also Erza can react to Laxus in Base Form, she used only 2 Armors on Laxus, and both never were implied to be slower, just weaker

AP does not necessarily scale with Speed, forms that make your stronger in AP don't have to make you faster

Give me one statement her Strongest Armors Increase Speed
 
Her Heaven's Wheel Armor scales in Speed but not power, all the swords got vaporized, point being she gets stronger with her armors but not Speed

Proof of this is that Wendy is able to keep up with Erza
 
@Demon

When she used her lightning armor she couldn't react to Laxus punch but the moment she went Clear Cloth, she was able to keep up with him. Literally when she's in a losing battle or can't keep up she usually uses Clear Cloth (exception vs Midnight)
 
@BlackeJan

I already said that's it not that she couldn't react, it's that she tried to block and take the hit cause she thought her armor would help, but it didn't, she didn't feel like she needed to dodge cause she felt like she knew how strong laxus was
 
No. Thats makes no sense, she took a side blow from the punch cause she couldnt react to it plain and simple. What u are saying is "even though she knows Laxus, she's in her lightning armor so she just wants to get hit instead"

Erza knows how of a beast Laxus is so why in the world would she instead want to take the attack on instead of just dodging? Thats honestly not a good argument I mean even if i had protection of an element, I would still want to dodge it
 
Why is there an argument that Erza taking a punch means she's slower? I can't speak for anyone else but at the very least in my opinion that isn't an argument. These characters dodge and hit each other constantly, just look at Natsu vs Gajeel they dodge each other and hit each other but that is by no means an argument that one is slower than the other.

It's straightforward. Not all of Erza's armours amp her speed, the armours are specialist in nature, clear heart doesn't offer any special effect and as such, all that means is that Erza takes all the energy she usually distributes to the unique effects and invests it in pure attack power. That's it, let's not make this any more complicated than it needs to be.
 
@David

No one is saying she is slower, it just means that in her Clear Cloth she could perform MUCh better speed and reaction wise compared to her other armors she used in her fights from enemies
 
There's literally no evidence that Clear Heart Cloth increases speed, it's just rags that offer no buffs, the point is that it allows her to put 0 magic into defense and 100% of her power into offense, how does putting on Armor slow her down so much

The only Armor that changes her speed is the Flight Armor
 
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