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Fairy Tail 100 Year Quest Discussion Thread: Post-Void Saga
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Nah, but that moon feat has a possibility of being Low 5-B.
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We already knew Merc and Aldoron were nerfed in their fights
They were at less than half power, but to what extent is unknown, they wouldn’t fall out of High 6-A because of how high they scale into it, but still, the story is emphasizing that they were mostly weakened
It sounds like Aldoron was less nerfed than Merc tho as Merc said that he lost most of his power while saying Aldoron just didn’t have his original power
They were at less than half power, but to what extent is unknown, they wouldn’t fall out of High 6-A because of how high they scale into it, but still, the story is emphasizing that they were mostly weakened
It sounds like Aldoron was less nerfed than Merc tho as Merc said that he lost most of his power while saying Aldoron just didn’t have his original power
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I think when Merc says he had lost most of his power, he was referring to here, when Faris had stolen most of it
This would explain how he meant he lost most of his power and yet he in his fight against Natsu, he still had half of his power
He had lost most of it to Faris and that is what he is referring to in the statement, but when he fought Natsu, he had half because he wasn't in control
This would explain how he meant he lost most of his power and yet he in his fight against Natsu, he still had half of his power
He had lost most of it to Faris and that is what he is referring to in the statement, but when he fought Natsu, he had half because he wasn't in control
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Honestly this is making me think Human Forms and Dragon Forms really aren’t different in power since Merc seems to consider this Selene’s Full Power and yet Selene isn’t in her Dragon Form yet
We’ll just have to wait and see
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But we know that isn't the case, Zeref, Irene, and Wendy make it clear that Dragon Forms provide a greater boost than DF.
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We call them retcons for a reason, they never really make sense in anyway. Agree with Mitch tho, let's wait on that to be elaborated upon more as she could be a special case.
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But this isn't a retcon, Merc doesn't say that Selene is using her full power here, Selene herself even said that she's only a little serious last chapter. In fact Merc never even compares himself or Aldoron to Selene. All he says that they were nerfed while Selene isn't, meaning FT will have to fight a Dragon God at Full power, which they aren't prepared for atm.
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The examples of this were Irene and Acnologia, both of which were humans that had turned into dragons. Meanwhile, the Dragon Gods were always dragons, but learned Transformation Magic to have human forms.
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There really isn't a difference between a human turned Dragon, and a natural born dragon. Irene's back story and Nebaru's transformation make this clear. Plus there's the fact that all old Dragons are capable of a human form as stated by Ignia himself.
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There is definitely a difference. A human becomes a dragon and gains a lot more power as a result, but a dragon always has that power to begin with and the human form doesn't indicate that there's really a difference in power. Mercphobia's statement only reinforces this.
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Here’s a CRT for Gray btw https://vsbattles.com/threads/gray-fullbuster-ability-additions-crt.117827/
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Agree with Mitch. There might not be a difference. And it’s completely wrong to say there is no difference between a natural born dragon and a human made dragon, when even acnologia himself can’t distinguish Irene from a human. The difference is there.
tho entertaining the idea that there is no difference, it is human Selene who is performing these insane feats, not dragon Selene.
tho entertaining the idea that there is no difference, it is human Selene who is performing these insane feats, not dragon Selene.
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Just wanna say, shouldn't Natsu also get resistance to Conceptual EE type 3, he flat out resisted Mard's curse along with Gray.
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While I personally agree, the manga does point out that Gray blocked it.
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I think it was mainly Gray's doing when it comes to blocking the attack.
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Lmao at Natsu having conceptual damage.
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I don't think it would work like that. Mard Geer just said that's how he was planning to kill Zeref, doesn't mean Natsu has to do that.
Unless Mavis kissing Zeref is some concept fuckery
Unless Mavis kissing Zeref is some concept fuckery
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In a sense. Mavis basically murder suicided them by reciprocating Zeref’s feelings this time which let them kill each other beyond what the Curse could actually prevent. Love amps amirite?
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Love is literally the One Magic
It’s the idea that in Fairy Tail, the only thing stronger than the Power of Friendship is the Power of Love
Super cheesy, but that’s what it is, Love can literally do anything in Fairy Tail
It’s the idea that in Fairy Tail, the only thing stronger than the Power of Friendship is the Power of Love
Super cheesy, but that’s what it is, Love can literally do anything in Fairy Tail
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I know this lol
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The fact is that Mard De Geer is Zeref's failed experiments, it should be understood that this is "just a weak cult" that could not carry out the murder of Zeref, they were not even included in the Spriggan group. Mard explained that Zeref's curse lies with God, who controls this concept, so in fact, killing Zeref is the destruction of the concept of life and death. Moreover, Zeref personally appeared to Mard after his defeat and said that lol “you are literally useless”. Among the Spriggans is Bradman, who knows "all" the spells of Tartaros. But neither he nor Tartaros could kill him. Zeref himself later admitted that for 400 years he could not find a means of destruction. Obviously, this includes Mard De Geer with his spell, given that if the spell could kill him, he would not have resisted.
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Where is it said that Ankhseram controls the concept of life and death? Killing Zeref =/= destroying those concepts and nothing about the Curse is said to be conceptual so how does Mavis and Zeref amping their Curse with love to kill each other conceptual? You’ve essentially asserted a baseless opinion and went on from there without providing evidence or support for the basis of your argument.
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This really all stemmed from me making a joke, huh?
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<Where is it said that Ankhseram controls the concept of life and death?
He is the same deity as Chronos, who controls this aspect of reality in the universe. You have not read well what Mard de Geer said. Zeref's curse is the curse of God and, as a consequence, in order to destroy Zeref, the very concept of life and DEATH must be destroyed. Because it is the curse of God controlling this aspect. The simplest deduction.
I see no point in posting the picture, since everyone has already seen it (lol)
<Killing Zeref =/= destroying those concepts
You ignore the direct instruction, where it says in black and white what must be done to kill him.
<Mavis and Zeref amping their Curse with love to kill each other conceptual?
I don't know exactly how you read the manga, but this has happened before. Mavis was immortal like Zeref, which caused Zeref to think that the curse would bypass her. But he was so deep that he killed even an immortal (of course, not completely, but still). Emotions are one of the most powerful metaphysical components of a fairy tale, strengthening the curse of death with love is considered an achievement, and not vice versa.
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Killing Zeref doesn't require the destruction of universal platonic concepts. Pretty sure his statement of "destroying life and death" is more about MM's erasure being something conceptual in nature, not that you need to get rid of the concept of life and death all together.
MM is conceptual erasure, not Mard destroying them out of the blue.
MM is conceptual erasure, not Mard destroying them out of the blue.
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Expect Ankhseram isn't the God of Time like how Chronos is, he's the God of Death and life, he doesn't control nor oversee time the way Chronos does, so that little comparison doesn't add up. Not to mention that Chronos is already something that exist in FT, I.E a separate entity from Ank.
To reinforce it, the destruction of life and death isn't needed to kill Zeref as seen with the kiss at the end of the manga and the fact that both Mavis and Zeref were reincarnated at the end so again "destruction of life and death" aren't required to kill Zeref but it's one of the ways.
Already explained above, the destruction of universal concepts isn't needed to kill Zeref, what Mard is doing is conceptual EE, not him outright destroying the concepts of life and death itself.
That's not something he needs to prove, you need to prove that conceptual destruction and damage are the only way to kill Zeref.
Mavis didn't strengthen the power of death with the power of love, the curse of Contradiction is what ultimately ended up killing the two.
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We also know very little about Ankhseram, we’ve never even seen him, all we know is that he punishes and curses those who try to control life and death by reviving the dead
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Where does it say they both govern their respective aspects in the same way? Does this mean God Slayers have conceptual elements? You are aware that when Mard says that, Zeref pulls up after watching the fight and tells him that wouldn't work? This means that destroying the concepts of life and death wouldn't kill Zeref.
So you are making claims and refusing to post scans when asked about it?
You are ignoring where Zeref directly says it won't work.
You realise that its brought up that Mavis' body was still alive after Zeref booted her soul from her body right? She didn't die at all, how else do you think August happened? Also, seeing as you completely missed the blatant sarcasm, what I said was a jab at your misinformed idea that killing Zeref = destroying concepts.
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someone already calculated Natsu's achievement by vaporizing the lake behind the guild ?
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