Fairy Tail 100 Year Quest Discussion Thread: Post-Void Saga

[Deceived3596]

There's a massive difference between the claims of "someone who can defeat the other" vs "someone is objectively stronger than the other."

You can argue that Zeref can defeat Acnologia given Neo Eclipse, but Acnologia is definitely stronger than Zeref overall as stated multiple times throughout the series, and by the author themselves.

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

even just neo eclipse is enough

lmao

The guy is just trying to prove as concrete evidence that Zeref is superior to Acno with his own guess lol

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

I don't think anyone who reads fairy taili would want such a thing.

Dude, no one who knows the Fairy Tail series agrees with the Zeref Above Acno nonsense.

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

You can argue that Zeref can defeat Acnologia given Neo Eclipse, but Acnologia is definitely stronger than Zeref overall as stated multiple times throughout the series, and by the author themselves.

I totally agree, it's just that Zeref fans can't accept a very simple issue that has been said many times in the series lol

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I feel like people forget that Post-SBT Acnologia absorbed all of the SBT… He became one with Conceptual Time and blatantly stated he surpassed Space-Time itself… So Neo Eclipse wouldn’t work on him most likely

 

[Eseseso]

I feel like people forget that Post-SBT Acnologia absorbed all of the SBT… He became one with Conceptual Time and blatantly stated he surpassed Space-Time itself… So Neo Eclipse wouldn’t work on him most likely

So what I'm hearing is that post-SBT Acno is either Low 2-C or has Acausality Type 4.

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

I feel like people forget that Post-SBT Acnologia absorbed all of the SBT… He became one with Conceptual Time and blatantly stated he surpassed Space-Time itself… So Neo Eclipse wouldn’t work on him most likely

I totally agree, Acno >> Zeref is not even up for discussion. This is a plot just like Kaguya vs Madara or Yhwach vs Aizen.

 

[Zeinx1]

I feel like people forget that Post-SBT Acnologia absorbed all of the SBT… He became one with Conceptual Time and blatantly stated he surpassed Space-Time itself… So Neo Eclipse wouldn’t work on him most likely

Zeref wasn't even alive at the time. Zeref was the one who opened the SBT. And if Zeref had gone through the neo eclipse door with his plan. Fairy tail would have already been crushed under Zeref.

Zeref's master key also has a middle divinity, as we both know acnologia can't get through it, so acnologia can never kill zeref. But zeref can kill acnologia. And there is nothing acnologia can do against anksheram, one of zeref's haxes, even if it is said that acnologia can eat magic, it cannot be taken as a sufficient feat unless anksheram eats it and black magic = not magic.

Acnologia has no wincon against Zeref, if there was a battle between them Zeref would have won no diff according to vsb system.

Base Zeref will be enough for Acnologia.

 

[Zeinx1]

Shame Zeref never got chance to cast neo eclipse which means he has no feat.

My brother really said that lol...

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

Zeref's master key also has a middle divinity, as we both know acnologia can't get through it, so acnologia can never kill zeref.

For this, superiority is enough

And there is nothing acnologia can do against anksheram, one of zeref's haxes, even if it is said that acnologia can eat magic,

Acno already has resistance to ankshream

 

[Zeinx1]

There's a massive difference between the claims of "someone who can defeat the other" vs "someone is objectively stronger than the other."

You can argue that Zeref can defeat Acnologia given Neo Eclipse, but Acnologia is definitely stronger than Zeref overall as stated multiple times throughout the series, and by the author themselves.

I don't disagree with what you are saying I am saying that zeref will and can defeat acnologia.

It's not just neo eclipse, there are multiple wincons that zeref can provide to win against acnologia but acnologia doesn't even have one.

I just said one of them to mitch above

It doesn't matter if it is an author statement. feat > author statement is considered as

 

[Zeinx1]

For this, superiority is enough

Acno already has resistance to ankshream

Prove it

 

[Zeinx1]

So what I'm hearing is that post-SBT Acno is either Low 2-C or has Acausality Type 4.

no way.

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

Prove it

If you want proof of acno, just look at the profile. If you don't know that superiority is a victory condition on this wiki, then I don't care, go do some research and find out

 

[Zeinx1]

If you want proof of acno, just look at the profile. If you don't know that superiority is a victory condition on this wiki, then I don't care, go do some research and find out

I'm not saying that, I'm saying prove that you can resist Anksheram. In addition, if I have to answer the question of superiority, he is not superior, there is no situation where he can be superior.

 

[Chardee.wl]

For this, superiority is enough

no. zeref gets infinite stamina with fairy heart. and acnologia cannot overcome mid godly regeneration. zeref will win even if he stands still.

Acno already has resistance to ankshream

No, it's not. Anksheram is more of a curse than a spell, and it's mentioned in the series.

 

[Zeinx1]

I hope you will stop saying that acnologia can resist anksheram because this is really a nonsense..

You say vsb profile, it's not there, prove to me where this character resisted. you didn't even watch fairy tail final series (I know you didn't watch it because I know you from discord)

 

[Chardee.wl]

I hope you will stop saying that acnologia can resist anksheram because this is really a nonsense..

You say vsb profile, it's not there, prove to me where this character resisted. you didn't even watch fairy tail final series (I know you didn't watch it because I know you from discord)

He's really equating gray's ice magic with anksheram .

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

no. zeref gets infinite stamina with fairy heart. and acnologia cannot overcome mid godly regeneration. zeref will win even if he stands still.

No, it's not. Anksheram is more of a curse than a spell, and it's mentioned in the series.

No. There is nothing related to Anhseram being a curse. This is completely a spell and it says so on Zeref's profile.

I'm not saying that, I'm saying prove that you can resist Anksheram. In addition, if I have to answer the question of superiority, he is not superior, there is no situation where he can be superior.

The same goes for this message. Just by looking at the character's profile, it's easy to understand that this attack is magic and Acno's resistance to all types of magic.

(I know you didn't watch it because I know you from discord)

Idc, Then you're misunderstanding

 

[Zeinx1]

no. zeref gets infinite stamina with fairy heart. and acnologia cannot overcome mid godly regeneration. zeref will win even if he stands still.

No, it's not. Anksheram is more of a curse than a spell, and it's mentioned in the series.

I don't think Acnologia is even resistant to magic.

Because there are so many contradictions in the series.

 

[Zeinx1]

No. There is nothing related to Anhseram being a curse. This is completely a spell and it says so on Zeref's profile.

The same goes for this message. Just by looking at the character's profile, it's easy to understand that this attack is magic and Acno's resistance to all types of magic.

Idc, Then you're misunderstanding

Anksheram is a curse, I proved to you that black magic and magic are not the same thing and that magic works on acnologia.

I don't think Acnologia is even resistant to magic.

Because there are so many contradictions in the series.

 

[Chardee.wl]

No. There is nothing related to Anhseram being a curse. This is completely a spell and it says so on Zeref's profile.

''ı guess the gods are really were angry at me and that's why they put this CURSE on me.'' Do you know what the curse means? you don't even know the context in which the word magic is used in the zeref profile.

The same goes for this message. Just by looking at the character's profile, it's easy to understand that this attack is magic and Acno's resistance to all types of magic.

anksheram is a curse and the only evidence that acnologia will not work is that erza says that he will not be affected by the gray ice spell.

but we see that magic works on acnologia

 

[Zeinx1]

''ı guess the gods are really were angry at me and that's why they put this CURSE on me.'' Do you know what the curse means? you don't even know the context in which the word magic is used in the zeref profile.

anksheram is a curse and the only evidence that acnologia will not work is that erza says that he will not be affected by the gray ice spell.

but we see that magic works on acnologia

my brother really looked like me 🗣

 

[Chardee.wl]

my brother really looked like me 🗣

fr

 

[Grand_Astartes]

Bruh the fact is Zeref is dead, and before he died he had no showing putting him above SBT Acnologia. No feats no nothing. He's packed and fodder.

 

[Zeinx1]

Bruh the fact is Zeref is dead, and before he died he had no showing putting him above SBT Acnologia. No feats no nothing. He's packed and fodder.

1-Zeref is reincarnated, not dead.
2-While zeref was alive, acnologia wasn't even in sbt, he learned about the existence of sbt thanks to zeref.
3-Base zeref > Acnologia (I explained this above)
4-You call zeref a fodder but zeref is more dominant in sbt than acnologia funny.

 

[Chardee.wl]

Bruh the fact is Zeref is dead, and before he died he had no showing putting him above SBT Acnologia. No feats no nothing. He's packed and fodder.

my brother really thinks that zeref is dead and does not know that acnologia was not in sbt when zeref was alive

 

[Zeinx1]

my brother really thinks that zeref is dead and does not know that acnologia was not in sbt when zeref was alive

The scenario would have been like this when Zeref was alive.

When Zeref activates the neo eclipse, he walks through the door and it's over.

Welcome to the new universe.

 

[Chardee.wl]

The scenario would have been like this when Zeref was alive.

When Zeref activates the neo eclipse, he walks through the door and it's over.

Welcome to the new universe.

Yes. But if he hadn't waited and walked through that door

 

[Zeinx1]

Yes. But if he hadn't waited and walked through that door

We call it a possible war with Acnologia.

We already know that Zeref is the smartest character in the series and that he will not hesitate.

In addition, if we have to say in the series, I think the reason for not resetting is this.

Let's not forget what Mavis said.
Maybe that's why he gave up resetting and fought Natsu.

Or it could be out of love for his brother because Zeref did everything for Natsu and even took Anksheram's curse because of him, he's really a very selfless brother.

 

[Chardee.wl]

We call it a possible war with Acnologia.

We already know that Zeref is the smartest character in the series and that he will not hesitate.

In addition, if we have to say in the series, I think the reason for not resetting is this.

Let's not forget what Mavis said.
Maybe that's why he gave up resetting and fought Natsu.

Or it could be out of love for his brother because Zeref did everything for Natsu and even took Anksheram's curse because of him, he's really a very selfless brother.

Yes, I agree, maybe Natsu beating him is what Zeref wants. The smile on his face when he is defeated supports this

 

[Zeinx1]

Yes, I agree, maybe Natsu beating him is what Zeref wants. The smile on his face when he is defeated supports this

I think so, too. Zeref's biggest dream was to die anyway, and for that he wanted Natsu to get stronger.

 

[Grand_Astartes]

1-Zeref is reincarnated, not dead.
2-While zeref was alive, acnologia wasn't even in sbt, he learned about the existence of sbt thanks to zeref.
3-Base zeref > Acnologia (I explained this above)
4-You call zeref a fodder but zeref is more dominant in sbt than acnologia funny.

Okay, so Zeref as we knew him is dead. Thanks for agreeing on that. Your explanations all fell flat, literally no one agrees with your statement including the author and feats/characters in series. Base Zeref being above Acnologia is blatantly just false lol. Zeref being "more dominant" (whatever that means) does not change the fact that him scaling above Acnologia in the way you're presenting is consistently false. Also, I didn't say Acnologia was in SBT while Zeref was alive, I said before he died Zeref had no feats putting him above SBT Acno.

 

[Chardee.wl]

Okay, so Zeref as we knew him is dead. Thanks for agreeing on that. Your explanations all fell flat, literally no one agrees with your statement including the author and feats/characters in series. Base Zeref being above Acnologia is blatantly just false lol. Zeref being "more dominant" (whatever that means) does not change the fact that him scaling above Acnologia in the way you're presenting is consistently false. Also, I didn't say Acnologia was in SBT while Zeref was alive, I said before he died Zeref had no feats putting him above SBT Acno.

no zeref crushes acno with immo 8 mid godly regen and anksheram

 

[Zeinx1]

Okay, so Zeref as we knew him is dead. Thanks for agreeing on that. Your explanations all fell flat, literally no one agrees with your statement including the author and feats/characters in series. Base Zeref being above Acnologia is blatantly just false lol. Zeref being "more dominant" (whatever that means) does not change the fact that him scaling above Acnologia in the way you're presenting is consistently false. Also, I didn't say Acnologia was in SBT while Zeref was alive, I said before he died Zeref had no feats putting him above SBT Acno.

Zeref wasn't even alive at the time. Zeref was the one who opened the SBT. And if Zeref had gone through the neo eclipse door with his plan. Fairy tail would have already been crushed under Zeref.

Zeref's master key also has a middle divinity, as we both know acnologia can't get through it, so acnologia can never kill zeref. But zeref can kill acnologia. And there is nothing acnologia can do against anksheram, one of zeref's haxes, even if it is said that acnologia can eat magic, it cannot be taken as a sufficient feat unless anksheram eats it and black magic = not magic.

Acnologia has no wincon against Zeref, if there was a battle between them Zeref would have won no diff according to vsb system.

Base Zeref will be enough for Acnologia.

I don't disagree with what you are saying I am saying that zeref will and can defeat acnologia.

It's not just neo eclipse, there are multiple wincons that zeref can provide to win against acnologia but acnologia doesn't even have one.

I just said one of them to mitch above

It doesn't matter if it is an author statement. feat > author statement is considered as

 

[Zeinx1]

no zeref crushes acno with immo 8 mid godly regen and anksheram

I could name more wincons.

 

[Chardee.wl]

I could name more wincons.

even these 3 are enough

 

[Grand_Astartes]

I'm just not gonna respond to all that because I don't think you've read any of the refutations already mentioned for those things... It is just ad nauseam atp.

 

[Zeinx1]

I'm just not gonna respond to all that because I don't think you've read any of the refutations already mentioned for those things... It is just ad nauseam atp.

We can answer them without reading the rebuttals mentioned first hmm we must be omniscient lol.

 

[Grand_Astartes]

We can answer them without reading the rebuttals mentioned first hmm we must be omniscient lol.

None of your arguments are defeaters is my point, you're just repeating the same thing when someone refutes it.