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Fairy Tail 100 Year Quest Discussion Thread: Post-Void Saga

New chapter is out


Athena II doesn’t seem to be anywhere near as strong as the original Athena but she could still take many attacks from Lightning Fire Dragon Mode Natsu. Lucy’s spirits which are comparable to her are keeping up with Gray and the Alchemy dolls. Sai used Rival Bond Alchemy which he said in Chapter 113 switches the target with someone of similar strength. Gray was switched with Natsu and Lucy was switched with Brandish. So Base Gray is now confirmed in series to be comparable to Base Natsu and not just through author statement. And Brandish is comparable to Post-Elentear Lucy who is in turn comparable to Post-Elentear Base Gray. So wait does this make some of the stronger Spriggans like Base Irene and Base August 5-B+ since they scale above Brandish? Or do we just assume X793 Brandish is now stronger than the top Spriggans?
 
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Peter1129 said:
New chapter is out


Athena II doesn’t seem to be anywhere near as strong as the original Athena but she could still take many attacks from Lightning Fire Dragon Mode Natsu. Lucy’s spirits which are comparable to her are keeping up with Gray and the Alchemy dolls. Sai used Rival Bond Alchemy which he said in Chapter 113 switches the target with someone of similar strength. Gray was switched with Natsu and Lucy was switched with Brandish. So Base Gray is now confirmed in series to be comparable to Base Natsu and not just through author statement. And Brandish is comparable to Post-Elentear Lucy who is in turn comparable to Post-Elentear Base Gray. So wait does this make some of the stronger Spriggans like Base Irene and Base August 5-B+ since they scale above Brandish? Or do we just assume X793 Brandish is now stronger than the top Spriggans?
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Did you even read the chapter? Sai literally states that he swaps his target with someone/something they are thinking about. Granted most people's rivals are people comparable to themselves, though that depends on what the rivalry is about.

Upgrading base August and Irene is somewhat unnecessary as their powered up forms are 5-A meaning they would partially keep their scaling regardless of the brandish upgrade.
 
Delta3000 said:
Did you even read the chapter? Sai literally states that he swaps his target with someone/something they are thinking about. Granted most people's rivals are people comparable to themselves, though that depends on what the rivalry is about.

Upgrading base August and Irene is somewhat unnecessary as their powered up forms are 5-A meaning they would partially keep their scaling regardless of the brandish upgrade.
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I know that’s what he said in this chapter. But he also said that Rival Bond Alchemy swaps them with someone they are comparable to in chapter 113. So I assume the different bonds have different activating conditions outside of needing the target to think about them.

It just feels weird to see Irene and August be the only ones that have a tier 6 base form when their full power is tier 5. Like Elefseria and Dogramag are also 5-B+ with Human Form and 5-A with Dragon Form. Feels weird for Irene and August to be the only one that aren’t like that when everybody else is the same. And now that there possibly is evidence for tier 5 Base Irene and August might as well push for it.

Larcade might be able scale if we assume Brandish never got stronger due to him self proclaiming himself as the third strongest Spriggan and God Serena does have the Goldarts statement not to mention he’s fighting Jellal soon. I’ve always thought that the top 4 Spriggans were probably tier 5 after we got tier 5 feats and now there are actually some evidence for it.
 
Peter1129 said:
I know that’s what he said in this chapter. But he also said that Rival Bond Alchemy swaps them with someone they are comparable to in chapter 113. So I assume the different bonds have different activating conditions outside of needing the target to think about them.

It just feels weird to see Irene and August be the only ones that have a tier 6 base form when their full power is tier 5. Like Elefseria and Dogramag are also 5-B+ with Human Form and 5-A with Dragon Form. Feels weird for Irene and August to be the only one that aren’t like that when everybody else is the same. And now that there possibly is evidence for tier 5 Base Irene and August might as well push for it.

Larcade might be able scale if we assume Brandish never got stronger due to him self proclaiming himself as the third strongest Spriggan and God Serena does have the Goldarts statement not to mention he’s fighting Jellal soon. I’ve always thought that the top 4 Spriggans were probably tier 5 after we got tier 5 feats and now there are actually some evidence for it.
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I suppose different bonds could have different activation conditions but we don't know for sure.

Technically August is the only one with a tier 6 base as Irene's dragon form is her default state with her human form being a weaker form she adopts of backstory reasons. It also should be noted that Brandish was able to shank base August rather easily so his base probably shouldn't be upgraded.
 
Ehh that time with Brandish was more of a surprise back stab on August so I wouldn’t consider that a legitimate reasoning for August not being tier 5 in Base. Also isn’t Irene just like Elefseria? Human turned dragon with Dragon Form being their default form now? Like that’s kinda why I thought Irene should be tier 5 with her Human Form just like Elefseria since he’s tier 5 in both forms.
 
Peter1129 said:
Ehh that time with Brandish was more of a surprise back stab on August so I wouldn’t consider that a legitimate reasoning for August not being tier 5 in Base. Also isn’t Irene just like Elefseria? Human turned dragon with Dragon Form being their default form now? Like that’s kinda why I thought Irene should be tier 5 with her Human Form just like Elefseria since he’s tier 5 in both forms.
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Nowhere in the series is it said that wizards are more susceptible to damage when caught by surprise.

Yes they are the same in that respect, however elefseria's human form has higher tier feats than irene's.
 
Elef and Dog are 5-B/5-A because they scale to or above people with 5-B+ feats/scaling. It’s not just some random thing because we feel like scaling them there. Human SBT Acno would be tier 10 if there was no scaling for him or he only had completely trash feats. No feats or statements to go higher = sucks to suck.
 
Well yeah I know that. But now we actually do have a possible tier 5 scaling for them thanks to Sai’s Rival Bond Alchemy’s mechanics explained in chapter 113. Though I guess that’s only if we currently consider X793 Brandish to still be as strong as her X792 self.
 
Listen guys, it's dumb, but Brandish got one of those random "Must stay relevant" off screen powerups. You can't use the argument that she doesn't train. Cause like, the Oracion Seis got FAR FAR FAR stronger by sitting in a prison for 7 years... So yeah, you can just GET stronger. I mean hell, Sting and Rogue are supposedly still relevant to Base Natsu, despite Base Natsu now being relative to Base Suzaku. I mean how do a Sting and Rogue that haven't done jack shit stay relevant to a dude who one-shot a Natsu that can one-shot Spriggans when they couldn't even solo a Spriggan a year ago? It's just because writing happens and we gotta accept it.

Dumbass powerups happen, and both Brandish and God Serena have them
 
Ehh I only brought this up since Brandish had already appeared on screen in 100 Years Quest quite a while back and yet she never got a new key on her profile so I had assumed that we currently consider X793 Brandish to still be the same as she was one year ago. But if she will get a new key after this then cool. At least Lucy gets to be tier 5 without the need of Gottfried so that’s still pretty neat.

Edit: Also tbf we never even saw God Serena fight at full power before so for all we know he really might’ve been tier 5 even during the Alvarez Arc due to how often he’s been implied to be Gildarts lvl.
 
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Yea this is kinda just fairy tail. Off screen you become relevant somehow. Sting should be nowhere near Base Natsu lol. But it happens with other anime too sometimes but way more common in FT. Off screen you become comparable to the people putting in more work. Which is why i think as crazy as it sounds Minerva would prob beat Misaki in a fight. The only person i see helping Erza is Misaki since she and the signario sisters have damn near the same exact power lol. Sending you to another world/space and manipulating it how you see fit. Erza is really just fighting two Misaki at the same time now
 
I mean Gennai and Kotetsu do have dogshit feats attack potency and durability wise. The only reason they're even remotely effective against Gray and Wendy was because of poison and transmutation. They have basically zero physical feats at all, so big fist taking them out isn't actually that inconsistent. I mean hell, Lucy didn't even need Star Dress to take them out. Aries alone, one of her weaker spirits, easily bounced away Kotetsu's attacks. So yeah, these guys are fodder and always have been. So Brandish wouldn't be Tier 5 at all yet, as she only one-shot some literal zero feat fodder

Thanks to Rival Bond, we know people switch with those relative to them, so I guess it is still supported that Base Natsu~Base Gray and Brandish~Base Lucy
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
I mean Gennai and Kotetsu do have dogshit feats attack potency and durability wise. The only reason they're even remotely effective against Gray and Wendy was because of poison and transmutation. They have basically zero physical feats at all, so big fist taking them out isn't actually that inconsistent. I mean hell, Lucy didn't even need Star Dress to take them out. Aries alone, one of her weaker spirits, easily bounced away Kotetsu's attacks. So yeah, these guys are fodder and always have been. So Brandish wouldn't be Tier 5 at all yet, as she only one-shot some literal zero feat fodder

Thanks to Rival Bond, we know people switch with those relative to them, so I guess it is still supported that Base Natsu~Base Gray and Brandish~Base Lucy
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Tbf, Base Gray called all of them strong.
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Gray is dumb and an unreliable source of information

Also they're strong because Gray can't do shit to them cause they transmutate all of his ice
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Imagine Jellal fighting on par with God Serena, gross. He would def lose Laxus equal rights

anyway do you remember my name? Was banned 5 years curious if you do
 
Hey, I thought I may ask. But what if we actually calculate how hot Natsu's fire was in degrees celsius?

I'm referring to when he vaporised the entire lake back in Alvarez. How many degrees celcius would that be?
 
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Yeah, so current God Serena is 5-A and just scales to Jellal

Everyone’s 5-A nowadays

Base Natsu whollops Duke, so he scales to him. This is gonna be a very interesting CRT when the time comes.
 
Huh i assumed that God Serena’s dragon fang thing only crushed Grand Chariot when reading the raws. But it turns out his dragon fangs were actually eating it. Wait so does this mean each of those dragon fangs can also eat magic that matches the eight elements that Serena has? If that’s the case than God Serena’s honestly pretty darn op. His other elemental dragon fangs can also eat different elements that aren't their own element.
 
Current Full power Laxus > Serious Kirin = Gildarts > red lightning laxus > Casual Kirin > Jellal >= Base Laxus

God Serena at most atm is around Gildarts but I wouldn't put him above it. Laxus was only > Kirin after eating the soul. Even if Jellal is at red lightning level Laxus was still losing to Kirin until he ate the soul
 
Base Natsu easily overpowered the Water Dragon attack that bullied Jellal

GG 5-A Natsu gets more support
 
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