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Fairy Tail 100 Year Quest Discussion Thread: Post-Void Saga

Alsotime said:
Yes? Yes you can, feats don’t trump the context of the story, not that it matters because as mentioned above even if Elfman in his best form is comparable to Mirajane’s weakest form, Gray only noted her as being the readon
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The only "context" you have are gags. He withstands Lucy's Lion Maiden and Leo is surprised that Elfman is that strong as well. Lucy constantly mentions to Gray that Elfman is with Mira as well, and for good reason given she was the one that saw just how strong Elfman is.

Elfman is around Mira level. That simple.
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Even then, Gray did beat Mira, has Devil Slayer advantage, and beat Hakune… All things above Mira
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Yet in her justification [which I’m sure one of you made or went over] it’s mentioned that’s she’s vastly superior to him based off of his statements.
Her Satan Soul Form fought and matched Skullion. Her Satan Soul Form is comparable to Beast Soul Elfman. Far stronger than Pre-Elentear Devil Slayer Mark Gray, as he did not think he could defeat her until she became exhausted, as well as Loke and Pre-Elentear X793 Lucy, who both doubted they could defeat Mirajane even if the two of them and Virgo fought her together. Casually stomped Virgo off-screen)
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CloverDragon03 said:
Lucy constantly mentions to Gray that Elfman is with Mira as well, and for good reason given she was the one that saw just how strong Elfman is.
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She mentioned elfman literally one time and when Gray comes back he just confirms his point on Mira being stronger and being the only one who really did any damage to him.
CloverDragon03 said:
Elfman is around Mira level
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is around BSS level, which is far below Mira’s peak yes
Eseseso said:
Wait until we get 5-A Mira...

But for real the wank is too damn high.
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No one here is implying she’s stronger than current gray though, and I’m literally not wanking this is an accepted scaling on the site, you can’t just dismiss all opinions that you don’t agree with as wanking
 
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Alsotime said:
She mentioned elfman literally one time and when Gray comes back he just confirms his point on Mira being stronger and being the only one who really did any damage to him.
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You have legitimately zero proof, especially for the bolded part
 
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He literally says the reason he is the way he is because he fought “Mira Chan” he literally disregards elfman before and after the fight
 
Alsotime said:
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He literally says the reason he is the way he is because he fought “Mira Chan” he literally disregards elfman before and after the fight
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Mira always gets more hype simply because she's an S-Class Wizard

But you used that to extrapolate something that can't be extrapolated (Mira being the only one that damaged Gray, which has no proof)
 
I do think Mira > Pre Elentear DSM Gray largely due to Gray himself fearing her and Lucy thinking that, even with Loke and Virgo backing her up, she'd get beaten in a 3 on 1.
 
Pre elentear gray is weaker as a whole than Mirajane. He would only beat Satan soul, or sitri maybe because he's a devil slayer. Alegria one shots as it one shots those stronger than her regular satan soul. Also like i said before the 5-B arguments die if the dragon eaters got their tier 5 as well. Im not sure what the point of this debate is. Gray has never been above Mira at any point in the series. The only thing he has going for him, is when Mirajane is no longer in the story so she has no feats against new enemies. Then next time she shows she'll just be op again as per usual. Sting can arm wrestle natsu despite natsu beating up dragon gods, dragon eaters and getting all this type of experience. Gray is weaker than Mirajane whenever they are both present in the same arc. Again the only thing he has going for him, is he slays devils. Again are we just arguing a character from a current arc beats one from a later one? Which again is irrelevant because next time she comes in the story again she'll be stronger than him. So its really a does gray beat a Mira from a further back arc. Congrats Gray. And even then its not sound like i said before as that gap is only showcased by the regular diablos members not getting their tier 5 ratings despite having feats of it. Debate is pointless and none of it saves Gray. Either reality makes him look bad. Need to beat a weakened Mirajane and almost died? Check. Can only beat Mirajane by being present in a current arc vs a later one? Check. Which in itself is pretty silly as the gap between High 6-A and 5-B-5-A isnt actually displayed as large as it is in story. It only looks crazy because its on vsb.
 
Alsotime said:
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He literally says the reason he is the way he is because he fought “Mira Chan” he literally disregards elfman before and after the fight
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No way someone reads this and thinks its a feat for gray. They even put more emphasis on her being "beat up." This an anti feat for Gray and a Mirajane feat. Gray is weaker. His only advantage is being a devil slayer and if she's no longer in the current story so u can say he wins be default. L Gray
 
"Gray has never been above Mira at any point in the series"

Bruh reading Fairy Tale... Tartaros Arc Gray slaps the shit outta Tartaros Arc Mira... And the Gray that matched END would low diff Alegria considering Alegria lasted approximately 1 attack before Mira ran out of energy. It certainly doesn't help that Devil Slayer Magic negs Demons and as we've seen with Sherria and Dimaria, Slayer Magic can dispel a Take Over form if the the opponent the Take Over is the race the Slayer is super effective against. Gray has far better versatiliy and skills, being able to attack in many different ways, meanwhile Mira is literally just "Look at me punch and create large explosions". You talk as if Mira is actually doing things... She one-shot Heine and Juliet yeah, who could give her Satan Soul trouble, which is definitely noteworthy, but that's not nearly as impressive as bullying a Full Power Invel and matching an END that one-shot Dimaria. Also while Mira did beat Jacob with Satan Soul, it is specifically noted he is weakened by having his eyes closed, it's not the same as when Gray bullied a Full Power Spriggan. That same Gray has one-shotting standard Spriggan level power that lasts multiple attacks while Mira just don't have the stamina and is weak to Devil Slayer Magic.

Stop sleeping on Gray, he isn't as strong as Natsu, Laxus, Erza and the super cracked FT Members, but he's still been above Mira since X791
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
"Gray has never been above Mira at any point in the series"

Bruh reading Fairy Tale... Tartaros Arc Gray slaps the shit outta Tartaros Arc Mira... And the Gray that matched END would low diff Alegria considering Alegria lasted approximately 1 attack before Mira ran out of energy. It certainly doesn't help that Devil Slayer Magic negs Demons and as we've seen with Sherria and Dimaria, Slayer Magic can dispel a Take Over form if the the opponent the Take Over is the race the Slayer is super effective against. Gray has far better versatiliy and skills, being able to attack in many different ways, meanwhile Mira is literally just "Look at me punch and create large explosions". You talk as if Mira is actually doing things... She one-shot Heine and Juliet yeah, who could give her Satan Soul trouble, which is definitely noteworthy, but that's not nearly as impressive as bullying a Full Power Invel and matching an END that one-shot Dimaria. Also while Mira did beat Jacob with Satan Soul, it is specifically noted he is weakened by having his eyes closed, it's not the same as when Gray bullied a Full Power Spriggan. That same Gray has one-shotting standard Spriggan level power that lasts multiple attacks while Mira just don't have the stamina and is weak to Devil Slayer Magic.

Stop sleeping on Gray, he isn't as strong as Natsu, Laxus, Erza and the super cracked FT Members, but he's still been above Mira since X791
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More versatility? You mean creating constructs out of magic that hasnt worked on.... The last 20 enemies he fought which is why he has to spam devil slayer mark? vs the girl that flies, has darkness attacks, probably dozens of different ones, has elemental magic, can put people to sleep and control them with macro, is more skilled in combat and some other stuff in her profile of wide range abilities. Everything gray does is ice constructs which hasnt worked on anybody relevant meanwhile in regular satan soul mirajane is even with the guy that beat up gray.

Lmao Invel caught his devil slayer magic with one hand he only lost because of an emotional power up. Which doesnt scale to his regular statistics similarly to Erza.

He stomps Mira in spriggan arc because END one shotted Dimaria? You mean base Dimaria? Whom at most is basic spriggan level? I do agree take over dimaria is far beyond the average spriggan though but she wasnt in that. Alegria one shotted two people at once, one hand each and those two people were > her satan soul meaning Alegria is capable just as much as one shotted average spriggans. Gray only looks good against END because he's a devil slayer. Similar to Mard Geer situation.

You bringing up devil slayer magic a point i already have been saying since the start of the topic. Point is, she is a superior fighter. If he wins its because he's a devil slayer. Which is not all that convincing as Alegria has enough ap to one shot though people above or relative to satan soul which is where devil slayer mark was. She doesn't even have to use any demon magic to do it. Just physicals.

Also Mira was exchanging blows with Jacob without even using Satan soul. She just used it to finish the job. Meaning Base Mirajane isnt too much weaker than an average spriggan meanwhile base gray has to be ice devil slayer to even match one. Invel situation was angry emotional boost when you consider invel was tanking his attacks and catching his sword with one hand.

Gray has been consistently one of the weakest in the group. Now that lucy is powering up, i dare say the weakest other than Gajeel.
 
Ignoring current rankings of tier, consistency arc by arc has looked like this.

Lucy < Wendy < Gray <=Gajeel < Mirajane < Erza <= Natsu < Laxus < Gildarts. I'm well aware that changes in certain arcs talking consistency as a whole.
 
Veroniica_Lodgee said:
Pre elentear gray is weaker as a whole than Mirajane. He would only beat Satan soul, or sitri maybe because he's a devil slayer. Alegria one shots as it one shots those stronger than her regular satan soul. Also like i said before the 5-B arguments die if the dragon eaters got their tier 5 as well. Im not sure what the point of this debate is. Gray has never been above Mira at any point in the series. The only thing he has going for him, is when Mirajane is no longer in the story so she has no feats against new enemies. Then next time she shows she'll just be op again as per usual. Sting can arm wrestle natsu despite natsu beating up dragon gods, dragon eaters and getting all this type of experience. Gray is weaker than Mirajane whenever they are both present in the same arc. Again the only thing he has going for him, is he slays devils. Again are we just arguing a character from a current arc beats one from a later one? Which again is irrelevant because next time she comes in the story again she'll be stronger than him. So its really a does gray beat a Mira from a further back arc. Congrats Gray. And even then its not sound like i said before as that gap is only showcased by the regular diablos members not getting their tier 5 ratings despite having feats of it. Debate is pointless and none of it saves Gray. Either reality makes him look bad. Need to beat a weakened Mirajane and almost died? Check. Can only beat Mirajane by being present in a current arc vs a later one? Check. Which in itself is pretty silly as the gap between High 6-A and 5-B-5-A isnt actually displayed as large as it is in story. It only looks crazy because its on vsb.
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These are words

That's the best I can say
 
I'm surprised Athena would fall for such blatant emotional manipulation being a former cult leader. Especially when following her orders would get her what she wanted anyway.
 
So given the latest chapter as of now, will there be an update for both Natsu and God Serena? Base Natsu countered and burnt out God Serena's same Water and Fire combo attack from Alvarez and God Serena was shown to at least compete with Base Natsu.
 
I'm not completely sold God serena scaling to base Natsu but i wouldn't argue against it. The first hit was parried not blocked, and God Serena didnt seem to be doing damage. But he did force Natsu to use more heat in order to disperse his attack. So the latter is what i would use to scale him the rest of it prior im not sold on
 
Me waiting for a CRT to be made on this arc so I can propose Post-Dogra fight Natsu being upgraded due to enduring Dragon Dogra's attack better than Suzaku did and contributing just as much if not more power than Suzaku in their Unison Raid.
 
Eseseso said:
Me waiting for a CRT to be made on this arc so I can propose Post-Dogra fight Natsu being upgraded due to enduring Dragon Dogra's attack better than Suzaku did and contributing just as much if not more power than Suzaku in their Unison Raid.
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Natsu enduring more attacks than suzaku is just a stamina feat for natsu, and considering the amount of punishment he took from aldoron, it makes sense he would outlast Suzaku.

Base natsu couldn't break the labyrinth rocks but suzaku could cut them just fine after all the cores were broken. Therefore Base Suzaku > Base Natsu. Natsu just has better stamina.
 
Zackra1799 said:
Natsu enduring more attacks than suzaku is just a stamina feat for natsu, and considering the amount of punishment he took from aldoron, it makes sense he would outlast Suzaku.
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How about just him taking it without that much physical damage.
Zackra1799 said:
Base natsu couldn't break the labyrinth rocks but suzaku could cut them just fine after all the cores were broken. Therefore Base Suzaku > Base Natsu. Natsu just has better stamina.
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Didn't a Unison Raid from their combined power kill Dragon Dogra, who scales above Human Selene?
 
Does Cana stay where she is or does some extra words get added to her tier? Cana reads

"Multi-Continent level (Somewhat fought Ultimate Magic Form August and forced him to[3] dodge her attacks[4] several times[5], which should make her stronger than the Oración Seis, who were easily defeated by August. Knocked out a distracted Brandish)"

"Multi-Continent level (Took an attack from Ultimate Magic Form August[5], which should make her more durable than the Oración Seis, who were easily defeated by August)"

Shouldn't "At least" be thrown in the profile considering August got a tier jump? Unless using "at least" doesn't work like that. Its just the justifications make sense, but not if she's a straight high 6-A while he tier 5. Even if you dont wanna give a tier 5 i do think a "at least high 6-A" or "likely higher" looks better on her profile since she karate chopped a spriggan, made august evade her attacks and took a seemingly serious attack from august. I do think the justifications are legit but look funny ever since he got a tier jump
 
PrettyVixenGirl said:
Does Cana stay where she is or does some extra words get added to her tier? Cana reads

"Multi-Continent level (Somewhat fought Ultimate Magic Form August and forced him to[3] dodge her attacks[4] several times[5], which should make her stronger than the Oración Seis, who were easily defeated by August. Knocked out a distracted Brandish)"

"Multi-Continent level (Took an attack from Ultimate Magic Form August[5], which should make her more durable than the Oración Seis, who were easily defeated by August)"

Shouldn't "At least" be thrown in the profile considering August got a tier jump? Unless using "at least" doesn't work like that. Its just the justifications make sense, but not if she's a straight high 6-A while he tier 5. Even if you dont wanna give a tier 5 i do think a "at least high 6-A" or "likely higher" looks better on her profile since she karate chopped a spriggan, made august evade her attacks and took a seemingly serious attack from august. I do think the justifications are legit but look funny ever since he got a tier jump
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his profile is missing some skills as well, like sealing and BFR.
 
PrettyVixenGirl said:
Do you remember examples?
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Erza was already trapped in this type of card in the arch of the paradise tower, Cana already trapped the entire guild in the cards when the Elfman would destroy the guild in Tartaros and she also used it in 100YQ to trap those affected by the white mage.
 
ShadowGun45 said:
Erza was already trapped in this type of card in the arch of the paradise tower, Cana already trapped the entire guild in the cards when the Elfman would destroy the guild in Tartaros and she also used it in 100YQ to trap those affected by the white mage.
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Oh u said his thought you meant august
 
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