Durability of the Gems

[WeeklyBattles]

@Assalt Why would it be worthless to have a durability that lets you be undamaged by your opponent's attacks while also having AP that lets you damage and potentially kill them?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

A warship that cannot one-shot a single enemy soldier does sound kind of garbage tho, they would take forever to kill a significant number of enemies.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

@Weekly

Basically you're proposing this:

Warship Offense < Jasper < Garnet < Opal < Warship defense

I still ask why you would bring an indestructible vehicle and choose to mount a potato cannon on it for offense.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Paulo Except 6-B enemies arent common at all, most enemies the Warship would be facing are characters that are below the likes of Jasper and Garnet, around Amethyst's level all the way down to Ruby's level.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Assalt Because 99% of the entirety of the Gem race are weaker than Garnet and Jasper and thus would be easily killed by a Warship's blast. Youre comparing the entire race of Gems to two characters who are flat out stated to be exceedingly and abnormally strong

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Amethyst is not too far behind Garnet in strength.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yes but the fact of the matter is she's still weaker than Garnet, as are basically all quartzes

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

"Revealed in the official guidebook to be not too far behind Garnet in strength"

The difference really isn't that big.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Paulo Not too far behind = weaker

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Not too far behind = weaker, but not enough to be instantly killed by a weapon that wouldn't do much to Garnet.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Paulo Given Amethyst was also curbstomped by Jasper twice its consistent to say the warship would kill her

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

"Revealed in the official guidebook to be not too far behind Garnet in strength"

 

[Antoniofer]

@Assault, there's another feat about the drill if you can take a look. I personally think is unaccurate, something about swimming in lava multiplying the speed by 100 and mini-cluster moving at 1.33%c despite the calc saying otherwise, but just to have a second opinion.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Also, i'd like someone to give an actual reason why to not use M-E Conversion other than 'it was agreed on months ago'

 

[Wokistan]

Doesn't seem to be any indication of that sort of power scaling to anything else they do, for one.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Except it does, it scales to everything they do

Garnet was able to casually restrain both Pearl and Amethyst with her shapeshifting which increased her size and mass drastically

 

[Assaltwaffle]

The argument against E = Mc^2 is that their bodies aren't normal matter or energy, but some weird sci-fi hardlight that is likely to be unquantifiable.

That and turning energy into matter isn't mentioned it I am remembering right.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It actually is mentioned quite a lot rather explictly from everything I've evr seen of the show.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Assalt They explicitly refer to it as energy later in the series

 

[WeeklyBattles]

By this logic, TTGL Mass-Energy conversion is unuseable as it uses Spiral Energy which is, by that standard, 'weird sci-fi energy'

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Both Pearl, the most intelligent and science-savvy of the Crystal Gems, and Peridot, the Gem whose entire reason for existing is to know how Gems bodies work and to monitor the growth of Kindergartens and who is so well versed in them that she can tell a Gem's attributes just by looking at the hole they came out of when they were made, have stated that they use Mass-energy conversion

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

One of the most basic concepts we go by is that "Energy is energy". Doesn't matter the source. If it can be quantified it's energy. We can't say we can't quantify Freeza Planet-busting because "Ki is weird chinese magic energy and thus we can't apply science to it".

 

[Assaltwaffle]

@Assalt They explicitly refer to it as energy later in the series

Pearl also states that their bodies are light with mass (freaking wut). The show can take make up its mind.

@Matt

Can you provide something in which "energy to mass" is used? I'd be satisfied if that kind of wording is used. But just calling their bodies energy and implying it still leaves me on the fence.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

^

What Matt said. Frankly, that one bit (along with a bit of our black hole rules) always did grind my gears, as we pick what deserved to be scrutinized and what not to be. Energy is energy for kinetic energy, but not mass-energy.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Pearl said her appearence is "a conscious manifestation of light"; I don't know if that helps.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Peridot states that energy is used to create Gems

Peridot states that shapeshifting uses a large amount of energy compared to the output of changing one's form

When a Gem's physical body is destroyed, its so they can use their energy to recreate their bodies which, as stated earlier in the video, do indeed have mass

 

[CinnabarManx421]

I'm pretty iffy on that light with mass statement anyway because it was only mentioned in a short, not an actual episode and seems to contradict what has been stated in the show.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Light is mentioned in Last One Out of Beach City as well because the Crewniverse doesn't know how the rules of their own show works, so every writter just does whatever they want with it, and the worldbuilding becomes a mess.

 

[Tipoima]

Gems being made out of light with mass is pretty clearly established in canon

 

[Antoniofer]

Not all gems are strong by simply reforming, Peridot is an example of this, she isn't remotely close ro Mountain level; few corrupted gems are relatively weak and get bigger than Amethyst. The off colors are also pretty weak despite being big and all, and Steven was capable to create mass was he was far from strong as he is now (you can call him to be an exception if you wish).

Other thing, why is Aquamarine scaled from Alex when he just paralysed her?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Antonio She's not, she only scales with her wand

 

[Tipoima]

Other thing, why is Aquamarine scaled from Alex when he just paralysed her?

Because as soon as SHE released her, she unfused instantly

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

I never really liked the way Aquamarine is rated, it makes it seem like she can one-shot 6-A characters, but the wand doesn't do damage, it just restrains, as shown when both Pearl and Steven have survived being restrained by it (I could also bring up the humans, but that could be PIS, so we can ignore that); Alexandrite defusing honestly doesnt sound like a good proof of High 6-A damage either, because she's the hardest fusion to maintain, due to using all the Crystal Gems (minus Steven) to fuse.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I mean youre not wrong but at the same time we give people ratings for TK based on restraining characters of a certain tier

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

I always thought we did that because the TK is done by the character's own power (which means it could likely be translated into attacks, or could be used to crush weaker enemies), while Aquamarine's wand was shown not to one-shot weaker characters, or do any damage at all.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Her wand is still a weapon and was still able to restrain Alexandrite to the point that she was incapable of moving, as well as casually flinging Pearl into orbit

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Yeah, but she can't throw a High 6-A attack with it; it can restrain a High 6-A, but it was never shown to inflict High 6-A damage.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

It doesnt have to inflict High 6-A damage, hell Tornado of Terror never inflicted High 6-C damage with her TK but she's still High 6-C with it, she's High 6-C for stopping a High 6-C attack with her TK

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

I always thought we did that because the TK is done by the character's own power (which means it could likely be translated into attacks, or could be used to crush weaker enemies), while Aquamarine's wand was shown not to one-shot weaker characters, or do any damage at all.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

A feat being done by a character and a feat being done by a weapon dont follow different standards.