Mirage vs Nirvana: Xue Ying vs Mori Dan

[DavidTPPM]

This is not the same thing, specifying the first in the profile is just optional

Specifying something this important in a profile is not optional but necessary. Higher dimensional shenanigans have very strict rules and completely change the course of a battle. Like in this case it literally dictates whether or not the fight can even happen.

but the second requires a crt.

Mori freely existing throughout all time is already accepted. The only difference is whether we just classify it as omnipresence or specify he's immeasurable in speed and omnipresent in existence.
In both cases the justification is (or at least seems to be in YXs case) accepted and it's just not classified as such on the profile.

 

[azontr]

Let's not make this match a case of "this isn't on the profile so I'll use stuff that's also not on the profile". It's very unproductive and disingenuous. Specifying dimensionality is not a requirement nor is it in the standard page format, so while Planck not including it is inconvenient for the sake of matchmaking, it's fine rule wise.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Yeah, as the homeless man above me said, one of them, while convenient, was never a requirement, while the latter needs a CRT, and it is a requirement in order to write it in the profile.

Saying "They never specified this completely optional and not necessary thing on the profile, therefore I'll use Abilities not on the page" is quite... ridiculous, to say the least, and just seems desperate and disingenuous.

Anyways, XY has the range, a lot of passives, and said passives can kill Mori immediately, especially since they are type 1 type shit instead of Info manip. I don't think Mori's ress, mind manip and resist negation will be able to pull the win due to XY's passives. Also, no, their passives will work even when they are Immeasurable speed, since their passives aren't normal stuff, and should work on other imme speed dudes as well. Hell, based on the profile, Xue Ying definitely should have immeasurable speed passive, since he fights against other dudes of similar caliber and speed.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Yeah, as the homeless man above me said, one of them, while convenient, was never a requirement, while the latter needs a CRT, and it is a requirement in order to write it in the profile.

I genuinely don't see how does higher dimensional hax potency not require CRT while simply making Mori not immobile does. He's already accepted omnipresent due to existing at any point in time which actually just outright seems faster than baseline immeasurable as those characters still have to move to different points in time.

Saying "They never specified this completely optional and not necessary thing on the profile, therefore I'll use Abilities not on the page" is quite... ridiculous, to say the least, and just seems desperate and disingenuous.

How is expecting a such a major info about a characters hax on their profile "desperate and disingenuous"? I have to read through 3 books worth of shit like Jeremy Fragrance Manipulation in his profile, I'm sure as hell going to expect something as major as higher dimensional hax potency listed

 

[Rikimarox2]

Because it never ever was a requirement? I feel like you're missing something, the 4-D hax is already accepted (Based on my knowledge), and Planck has shown how it works, and why, and I'm pretty sure the profile itself mentions it somewhere. What YOU want, ie the higher dimensional hax potency CRT or whatever, is not needed since it is already accepted. What we mean when we say convenience, and why it's not requirement, we meant that adding a mention or smth to the profile that his hax is 4-D. That, while nice to have, isn't a must.

 

[Planck69]

No smurf hax requires a CRT to be dimensionally labelled. Accepted yes but not labelled. And like, the first thing in his AP description is that he can make entire space-time continuums via his Dao, so it's pretty obviously there lol.

 

[Success0906]

He's already accepted omnipresent due to existing at any point in time which actually just outright seems faster than baseline immeasurable as those characters still have to move to different points in time.

Omnipresence is a state of being, not speed. It's like water trapped in a tank, it fills the whole tank and is everywhere, but can it spread towards every corner of the tank instantaneously? No. Just because Mori exists at every point of time doesn't mean jack, he has never shown the feats required for immeasurable. Existing in multiple space-time is one of his authorities granted by Nirvana, and calling it as immeasurable speed just seems like a stretch. Especially since Mori has not even physically travelled that fast, but used only his authorities to help when Ahan and Taejin needed.

Also, check the "about immeasurable speed and omnipresence" section of the speed page. It explains things way better than I could ever do.

 

[azontr]

Yeah, as the homeless man above me said,

An Iraqi doesn't get to talk to me about homelessness.

 

[Megaraptor149]

An Iraqi doesn't get to talk to me about homelessness.

So he become an homeless, because of US invaded his country?

 

[Rikimarox2]

An Iraqi doesn't get to talk to me about homelessness.

I was simply acknowledging another homeless man, I didn't know you hate being mentioned, my friend . As a compensation, I'll give you a free cardboard .

 

[Success0906]

Guys, please refrain from derailing. And especially don't bring political and economic state of a country so heedlessly.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Guys, please refrain from derailing. And especially don't bring political and economic state of a country so heedlessly.

My friend, I'm from Iraq, this is just some meaningless fun.

Regardless, back on topic, XY honestly wins effortlessly here. Mori is omnipresent across several universes, but not only does that not necessarily mean he'll be faster than immeasurable speed, but XY's stuff encompasses 100+ timelines. Furthermore, Mori wouldn't be able to adapt to XY's CM1 since it doesn't exist GOH's verse, and Mori's resist neg wouldn't really matter either since he won't be able to use it anyways. So, yeah, Domain GG.

 

[Success0906]

After going through everything, Mori seems to be the underdog here. As there is nothing that he can do against YX, I think this just ends in stomp.

 

[MisterEli8730]

Agreed. I like Mori but these Wuxia Light Novel Chinamen are too powerful.

Xue Ying FRA.