Dragon Ball Super downgrades

[KingPin0422]

Right, so this needed to be addressed.

I think that Infinite Zamasu needs to be downgraded from Low 2-C, because of this:



This is important because Zeno supposedly destroyed the future timeline in its entirety in order to get rid of Infinite Zamasu, according to what this wiki says. The thing is, if he truly did do that, then every single point in time would have been erased as well.

What would this entail? Basically, everything that took place in the future timeline would have never happened. Future Trunks would have never been born. No one would have any memories of Zamasu.

But guess what? Future Trunks still existed even after his world was erased. People still remember Zamasu and what he did. Most importantly, there exists a point in time where the world wasn't erased.

I'm aware that Infinite Zamasu leaked into the present timeline, but that is very likely just space-time hax and not something that translates to AP. Especially since Zeno erasing Infinite Zamasu in the future timeline erased him in the present timeline as well.

Conclusion
Everyone that is currently scaled above Infinite Zamasu should instead be High 3-A via scaling to the feats of shaking the World of Void. Infinite Zamasu himself should be simply 3-A.

 

[Ronnijuro]

That makes no sense.

In the future they are at X point in timeline, but that is the only point that exists in the timeline. So when someone destroys the timeline, they only destroy that X point, the points before that X point ceased to exist from before.

Zeno didnt erase Zamasu from present because that Zamasu was obliterated by Bills.

 

[Quantu]

Ah shit here we go again

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

I think this PIS.

Because, this suggests that Zeno didn't destroy the timeline, only the physical matter that exist. Which would make him High 3-A at the most.

 

[Ronnijuro]

I think this PIS.
Because, this suggests that Zeno didn't destroy the timeline, only the physical matter that exist. Which would make him High 3-A at the most.

The void too. And that was basically the "timeline". Or do "timeline" mean something more complex?

 

[Akreious]

Okay so, many things wrong with your interpretation. Let's go through this.

"This is important because Zeno supposedly destroyed the future timeline in its entirety in order to get rid of Infinite Zamasu, according to what this wiki says. The thing is, if he truly did do that, then every single point in time would have been erased as well."

There's a keyword in here that you seem to be forgetting: Multiverse. Destroying a line that has been separated from yours for... god knows how long will do nothing to your line.

If I draw two parallel lines and I erase one, it wouldn't at all affect the existence of the other.

"What would this entail? Basically, everything that took place in the future timeline would have never happened. Future Trunks would have never been born. No one would have any memories of Zamasu."

It's been long established that the main Dragon Ball Timeline and Future Trunk's Timeline are different Timelines, yes. But more importantly, it's been brought up multiple times in the games as well as in Super that Trunks essentially broke Divine Laws on Time by Time Travelling.

As Trunks was within another Timeline just before the destruction of his Timeline and the connection between the two timelines was severed (Via Zamasu going poof), Trunks should not be affected by the destruction of his timeline as he wouldn't be subject to his own Timeline.

This is ignoring the obvious fact that the Time Machine's purpose is to literally eject himself from the current timeline to travel to another too. Not sure why the destruction of his old Timeline would affect him when he literally leaves it.

"But guess what? Future Trunks still existed even after his world was erased. People still remember Zamasu and what he did. Most importantly, there exists a point in time where the world wasn't erased."

Timelines don't work like that in Dragon Ball. Main Dragon Ball Timeline and the Timelines that became their own timelines split from whatever variations and deviations that happened will not be affected by the destruction of Future Trunk's timeline at all.

"I'm aware that Infinite Zamasu leaked into the present timeline, but that is very likely just space-time hax and not something that translates to AP. Especially since Zeno erasing Infinite Zamasu in the future timeline erased him in the present timeline as well."

It was heavily implied that if left alone, Infinite Zamasu would've swallowed up the Main Timeline as well which is why it was urgent that Zamasu be taken care of right at that moment. When he was erased from the Future Timeline, his presence in the Main Timeline visually equated to no larger than a large shack; hardly something that can sustain his Universal Existence.

So in conclusion, your Downgrades are forgetting how Timelines in Dragon Ball works and relies on general fiction interpretations of Timelines rather than the established functions of how Timelines work in Dragon Ball proper.

Whis saying that Future Trunks can go to a time prior to his own's destruction is him saying that he can go to another Timeline Variant of his own. It isn't his own Timeline or anything, it's literally another Timeline that was not affected by Infinite Zamasu whatsoever.

 

[MonzyMonz]

Ah sh**, here we go again. Don't underestimate Infinite Zamasu, we only saw him for a short amount of time and he has already spread massively.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

"Whis saying that Future Trunks can go to a time prior to his own's destruction is him saying that he can go to another Timeline Variant of his own. It isn't his own Timeline or anything, it's literally another Timeline that was not affected by Infinite Zamasu whatsoever."

I'm sorry but "return to a time in your world" and "go to a variant of your timeline" are not interchangable statements.

 

[Akreious]

"I'm sorry but "return to a time in your world" and "go to a variant of your timeline" are not interchangable statements."

Context, my friend. Context. An alternate timeline version of Trunks' future was spawned by some unknown deviation in it's course which can be pretty much anything; However it's still a time of Trunks' world prior to the invasion of Zamasu.

Easy answer for this deviation is Past and Future Zamasu working together; the "Alternate Timeline" being a Timeline where... this didn't happen.

In which case that'd make Future Trunk's timeline the divergent/variant of that timeline rather than the other way around. Still Trunks' world with the same events occuring up to that specific point in time.

 

[HST_Master]

@Iamu

In Dragon Ball they are. Dragon ball follows the multiverse theory in which every action = a timeline. For example look at Cell. Cell is not from the same timeline Trunks is from, in fact neither is the Trunks we know. It's heavily implied that Cell killed the Trunks that warned them about the androids and the Trunks that came back was an another alternate Trunks where Cell didn't kill him. It's perfectly reasonable for Trunks and Mai to go another timeline where Black never attacked.

 

[Akreious]

Oh yeah forgot about that. What Hst said.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Where it stated that every action creates a multiverse?

I remember that whis and bill went back to before zeno destroyed the timeline and sealed zamasu and created a new timeline where black never attacked and the current future trunks couldn't return to that timeline because that timeline had their own trunks and mai.

I'm pretty sure that time traveling is what create timelines not simple actions.

 

[HST_Master]

https://m.imgur.com/a/0FNKN and the thread it was discussed in.

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2510205?useskin=oasis

The Smallest Of Actions.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Okay. I see.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

Yeah, no. I disagree with this downgrade for reason above. For this downgrade to be true we have to ingore everything that we know and have been told how Timelines and the Multiverse work in DB.

 

[CryoTheMayo]

Trunks clearly explains that time travel, in Dragon Ball, results in another timeline existing. Zeno destroyed Future Trunks' timeline but he didn't erase any of the other timelines that exist. So there is a timeline where Trunks went to the past and a timeline where he didn't, and so on.

Trunks went to the past multiple times in the Black arc, creating numerous timelines in the Future era.

 

[Akreious]

Yeah Cryo's arguments basically just shuts down any possibility of DBS not being Low 2-C. With how much they time travelled in the Goku Black arc, there are so many "reset" points available for them to go back to it'd be sort of criminal if Whis didn't mention it

 

[The_mysterious_man]

If Zeno did destroy the timeline how the hell Goku was Abel to go to the future if there no timeline and also is it something natural that they could talk and move in nothing

 

[ProudLearner]

If Zeno did destroy the timeline how the hell Goku was Abel to go to the future if there no timeline and also is it something natural that they could talk and move in nothing

The portal that Trunks Time Machine made was still open to go to his future?

Zeno destroy everything on that timeline and left a void there.

Goku flying in that void was an error.

 

[Ronnijuro]

Destroying the timeline is not literally destroying time itself or some shit in this case.

Zeno destroyed all matter and the void itself from that point in the timeline. That's why they can go back to there, that point in timeline still exists but there is nothing, not even void, there is something below "void" which is something with many colors because yes, Toriyama and TOEI logic is that all of the universe, void, matter, etc are within something with colors.

The only inconsistency here is that Goku was able to breath in a place without nothing.

 

[elhermanopadre]

Destroying the timeline is not literally destroying time itself or some shit in this case.

Zeno destroyed all matter and the void itself from that point in the timeline. That's why they can go back to there, that point in timeline still exists but there is nothing, not even void, there is something below "void" which is something with many colors because yes, Toriyama and TOEI logic is that all of the universe, void, matter, etc are within something with colors.

The only inconsistency here is that Goku was able to breath in a place without nothing.

So that place where nothingness exists, Zeno destroys it, meaning that nothingness doesn't exist right?

 

[SamanPatou]

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