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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

It's best if I don't dig up drama, have this instead.
"WE'RE COSMIC TIER DAMMIT!!!!!"

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should i make frieza vs cell
if so, what versions of frieza and cell
Here are some options I can think of:

First Form Frieza (Toei; >6.3225 KiloQuettatons) vs Imperfect Cell (Canon; 5.92986678 KiloQuettatons). Speed equalized

Second Form Frieza (Toei; >12.645 KiloQuettatons) vs Semi-Perfect Cell (Canon; >11.8597335 KiloQuettatons). Speed equalized

Final Form Frieza (Dragon Ball GT; 2-C & Equal to Cell) vs Perfect Cell (Dragon Ball GT; 2-C & Equal to Frieza)

Frieza (Dragon Ball Super; idk whether he's close in AP in his golden form, in the DBS Manga or Anime, or what key soooo yeah) vs Perfect Cell (Dragon Ball GT)
 
Ahh you guys were talking about the Toei scaling just now. Perfect (No pun intended). So I checked Toei Goku’s profile and realized that Post-Vegito Diffusion Goku said Base Goku was on par with Ultimate Gohan. But that’s actually not entirely correct.

There was actually a statement in the Daizenshuu that Goku and Vegeta were at 1% or less of their power while inside Buu.

So it’s actually 1% Base Goku who’s on par with the Ultimate Gohan copy Post-Vegito Diffusion. This would increase the Toei scaling by another 100x if it goes through if somebody makes the CRT and it gets accepted. And that’s about it. Just wanted to mention this so see ya.
 
talking about comicvine and reddit specifically. comicvine is just a trollfest site, it was never a serious VS debating platform and it never will be. they downplay everything barring a few verses such as comic books (obviously, although they're still lowballed) and from what i've seen, Saint Seiya. everything else is trash to them. dragon ball specifically is pretty much treated like the devil's work there.

as for reddit, that really depends what sub you go to. subs like r/whowouldwin actually skew more towards anime and are a lot friendlier to dragon ball super (not so much towards Z, for some reason) than other verses. dragon ball heroes is pretty much treated like TES there. subs like r/powerscaling on the other hand are pretty much bleach fansubs in disguise at this point with dumb takes like 5D or even 6D bleach getting popularized there while a good percentage of their members believe DBS is below universal. it's also the sub that truly took universal Naruto seriously, even today

Im mostly focusing on "good debators" or in other words: Guys with a positive IQ.

Every verse got "low IQ downplayers" but you can count the verses on 3 fingers who got "high IQ downplayers" and Dragonball is the world champion when it comes to this very specific thing.

I cant speak for every verse but the mangas, webtoons and some novels im familiar with - get wanked to hell and back. Theres a thumb of the numb rule: If the stats of verse X gets wanked, you can bet your house on it that the hax is just as wanked.

It just baffels why they seem ok with it but arent okay with let say multi galaxy Broly, Z animes power or them reaching FTL+ speed before super. Im too lazy for a rant, but maybe you get my point.
 
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It just baffels why they seem ok with it but arent okay with let say multi galaxy Broly, Z animes power or them reaching FTL+ speed before super. Im too lazy for a rant, but maybe you get my point.
Ain't as bad as them claiming they're core busters and not planet busters
 
Ahh you guys were talking about the Toei scaling just now. Perfect (No pun intended). So I checked Toei Goku’s profile and realized that Post-Vegito Diffusion Goku said Base Goku was on par with Ultimate Gohan. But that’s actually not entirely correct.

There was actually a statement in the Daizenshuu that Goku and Vegeta were at 1% or less of their power while inside Buu.

So it’s actually 1% Base Goku who’s on par with the Ultimate Gohan copy Post-Vegito Diffusion. This would increase the Toei scaling by another 100x if it goes through if somebody makes the CRT and it gets accepted. And that’s about it. Just wanted to mention this so see ya.

Ultimate Gohan was also at 1% of his power inside of Buu...
 
I think the only way we can fix the weird post-vegito diffusion scaling is if we treat Super Buu's absorptions as non-linear. Characters in the anime continuity get stronger after being revived which makes sense for why Goku (after old Kai gives his life to him) can compete with Buutenks as an SSJ3, and Ultimate Gohan even at 1/100th his base strength (again treating Buu's absorbtions as non linear)

However, Piccolo can affect Vegeta, who can overpower SSJ3 Gotenks, which shouldn't be possible at all. Super Buu's absorptions not being linear might also be weird
 
Character in the Toei continuity becoming randomly stronger out of absolutely nowhere is actually.. normal? I guess?, I mean just look at Krillin vs Garlic Jr that speaks for itself
 
bleach supporters when you show them what real, on-screen multi-universal shaking looks like (they no longer have an excuse for why only the ground was shown to be shaken):


Bleach fans are like webtoon fans, the biggest wankers with a IQ in the negative direction. Z Brolys feat alone smacks 99% of that and puts them in a ******* coma.

If you look at the feat(s) objectively with the needed context and put them side by side to compare them, you gonna have a laugh. One of the big secrets in the battleboarding community ... psst.
 
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So, since DB Kai is accepted as canon to DBS Anime, there will be any CRTs about the Kid Buu > Buuhan or creating a new scaling for Pre-BoG stuff? Since Kid Buu's statements about him being the strongest version of Buu are still in that version, with Buuhan performing the Vice Shout
 
So, since DB Kai is accepted as canon to DBS Anime, there will be any CRTs about the Kid Buu > Buuhan or creating a new scaling for Pre-BoG stuff? Since Kid Buu's statements about him being the strongest version of Buu are still in that version, with Buuhan performing the Vice Shout
We’re in a bit of a paradox with the Kai stuff, hopefully it gets sorted easily though
 
Bleach fans are like webtoon fans, the biggest wankers with a IQ in the negative direction. Z Brolys feat alone smacks 99% of that and puts them in a ******* coma.

If you look at the feat(s) objectively with the needed context and put them side by side to compare them, you gonna have a laugh. One of the big secrets in the battleboarding community ... psst.
Your last three comments have been to complain of other verse supporters/sites. I will ask you to tone it down or cease.
 
Ultimate Gohan was also at 1% of his power inside of Buu...
Nah, the Clones are Thought Forms equal to the original. In the Anime, Goku was legitimately pulling this feat off.

That said, I didn't know about the revival Zenkai Boosts having a statement, so there should be a Zenkai Boost for basically every Saiyan whose ever died and come back to life. (Goku in the Saiyan Saga, who would upscale off the two times multiplier given by his Fruit and his training, Goten and Kid Trunks in the Buu Saga, Trunks after he came back at the end of the Cell Saga, etc.)
 
Nah, the Clones are Thought Forms equal to the original. In the Anime, Goku was legitimately pulling this feat off.

That said, I didn't know about the revival Zenkai Boosts having a statement, so there should be a Zenkai Boost for basically every Saiyan whose ever died and come back to life. (Goku in the Saiyan Saga, who would upscale off the two times multiplier given by his Fruit and his training, Goten and Kid Trunks in the Buu Saga, Trunks after he came back at the end of the Cell Saga, etc.)
Can you apply this crt for me?

 
This is very random and barely connected but I found it funny how years ago DBZA portrayed Tenshinhan as someone that could easily get under Vegeta skin and insult him while getting away with it meanwhile currently the LATAM fandom started the "Mega paranoid Ten thinks anything Vegeta does is a sign he's gonna betray us" meme.
 
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