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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

CryoTheMayo said:
The potential of earthlings is insignificant.
Goku and Vegeta peaked at Buu Saga-levels before they achieved God forms which requires either a specific ritual requiring good saiyans or training with a deity like Whis.
Cell can't achieve Ultra Instinct or Ultra Ego because he lacks God Ki and lacks the hard training and lifetime of physical conditioning that Goku has.
So the only characters with potential relevant here are Freeza and King Cold. And Freeza's mutation is just Cold's but better.

In short Cell is a guy with Freeza's potential mixed in with Zenkai boosts and Regeneration. However Goku, Gohan and Vegeta all have statements of reaching Zenkai limits in the manga so Cell would reach a similar hard limit eventually. Leaving him with just being Freeza with regeneration. I guess some Goku techniques like Instant Transmission and maybe Kaio-Ken.

If he trained and could achieve forms like Freeza does then I guess he could achieve a Black Cell form after years and years of training like Freeza did but whether or not Kaio-Ken can stack with Black is completely unknown.

So in the end Cell pretty much just becomes Freeza with IT and Regeneration. Hey wait a second...
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it does not have piccolo dna therefore it can reach ultimate piccolo form
 
CryoTheMayo said:
Yeah if Cell can get the Dragon Balls, summon Shenron and wish for that while all of the Z-Fighters are hosting a BBQ on Beerus' Planet
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Yeah, but it's just Piccolo, the only thing he did is that Piccolo skipped leg day, going from being SJ2 Lever to half different from Rof tournament
 
Me if i gained a dollar every time someone made a "Zeno VS Famous character with the minimum of hax" match:
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LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Theoretically yes, but that body that Zamasu took didn't go through the events before the Tournament of Power, so i don't think we can give resistance like that.
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Actually, that body should’ve. It was Goku a year into the future due to the Time Ring’s Time Travel to skip the wish cooldown. But they never address it, soooo…?
 
RedReaper616 said:
Actually, that body should’ve. It was Goku a year into the future due to the Time Ring’s Time Travel to skip the wish cooldown. But they never address it, soooo…?
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Zamasu seems to have taken Goku's body at the beginning of the super, that's why he doesn't have divine transformations of red or blue hair, we can also notice Goku's clothes

 
Luffy, two things.
  1. Firstly, Zamasu only discovered Goku through GodTube after the events of the Tournament of Destroyers.
  2. Secondly, Goku farms throughout the events of the Super anime. For example, during episode 77 of the Universe Survival Saga. That is his occupation.
Goku Black did not have access to Goku's techniques, including his divine transformations, because he lacked knowledge of the latter's body.
We see Black steadily expand his arsenal of techniques through combat with and further studying of the present timeline's Goku.
 
If I had a nickel for everytime someone says Goku didn't get stronger and was just getting more skilled, experienced and mastered his transformations I would have 3 nickles, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened thrice.
 
BlastX said:
If I had a nickel for everytime someone says Goku didn't get stronger and was just getting more skilled, experienced and mastered his transformations I would have 3 nickles, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened thrice.
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I mean, even if feats deny that, it has been stated several times that Goku and Vegeta reached their peak and couldn't get stronger anymore.

Though they supposedly stopped getting Zenkais since Frieza Saga
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Luffy, two things.
  1. Firstly, Zamasu only discovered Goku through GodTube after the events of the Tournament of Destroyers.
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Yeah. This is also part of why Zamasu needed the Time Ring. The Super Dragon Balls had JUST been used in the Tournament, so to skip the cooldown period he took the Time Ring and went into the Future. This means the body Black has a year older than our Goku's (plus the time Zamasu spent in it terrorizing Trunks' timeline). Given the Tournament of Power happens and the Super Dragon Balls have naturally come off cooldown (meaning a year has passed) his body has either gone through the Tournament of Power or was just about to. Considering we see Goku farming in the USS in Epi 77, you can easily headcanon it was this moment. Regardless, yeah, Black has to "slowly" accrue the power he has across the arc, so there isn't an inconsistency because him not having abilities from the ToP or after would either be he hasn't mastered the body yet or his body is from shortly before that moment if you assume he really did "master" Goku's body like he claimed.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
The potential of earthlings is insignificant.
Goku and Vegeta peaked at Buu Saga-levels before they achieved God forms which requires either a specific ritual requiring good saiyans or training with a deity like Whis.
Cell can't achieve Ultra Instinct or Ultra Ego because he lacks God Ki and lacks the hard training and lifetime of physical conditioning that Goku has.
So the only characters with potential relevant here are Freeza and King Cold. And Freeza's mutation is just Cold's but better.

In short Cell is a guy with Freeza's potential mixed in with Zenkai boosts and Regeneration. However Goku, Gohan and Vegeta all have statements of reaching Zenkai limits in the manga so Cell would reach a similar hard limit eventually. Leaving him with just being Freeza with regeneration. I guess some Goku techniques like Instant Transmission and maybe Kaio-Ken.

If he trained and could achieve forms like Freeza does then I guess he could achieve a Black Cell form after years and years of training like Freeza did but whether or not Kaio-Ken can stack with Black is completely unknown.

So in the end Cell pretty much just becomes Freeza with IT and Regeneration. Hey wait a second...
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Given gohan beast and orange piccolo I vastly disagree on freiza being the only relevant party. Even rage trunks implies all sayains (or at least our half sayains) do have the potental to reach godly levels even without God ki.
 
RedReaper616 said:
Yeah. This is also part of why Zamasu needed the Time Ring. The Super Dragon Balls had JUST been used in the Tournament, so to skip the cooldown period he took the Time Ring and went into the Future. This means the body Black has a year older than our Goku's (plus the time Zamasu spent in it terrorizing Trunks' timeline). Given the Tournament of Power happens and the Super Dragon Balls have naturally come off cooldown (meaning a year has passed) his body has either gone through the Tournament of Power or was just about to. Considering we see Goku farming in the USS in Epi 77, you can easily headcanon it was this moment. Regardless, yeah, Black has to "slowly" accrue the power he has across the arc, so there isn't an inconsistency because him not having abilities from the ToP or after would either be he hasn't mastered the body yet or his body is from shortly before that moment if you assume he really did "master" Goku's body like he claimed.
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The ToP only happened due to Goku going there to remind Zeno of it, and due to the 2 Zenos, after the Black Arc, which was never completed in the timeline where Black stole his body as, after Goku went there to investigate Zamasu, instead of the normal events we saw, Zamasu was able to kill gowasu and then time travel, therefore we can't say that this Goku went through the ToP or that it was even close to, it is too different from the main timeline already
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
I mean, even if feats deny that, it has been stated several times that Goku and Vegeta reached their peak and couldn't get stronger anymore.

Though they supposedly stopped getting Zenkais since Frieza Saga
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Yeah but these people argue Goku hasn't gotten any stronger since the freezer arc.
 
Omegabronic said:
The ToP only happened due to Goku going there to remind Zeno of it, and due to the 2 Zenos, after the Black Arc, which was never completed in the timeline where Black stole his body as, after Goku went there to investigate Zamasu, instead of the normal events we saw, Zamasu was able to kill gowasu and then time travel, therefore we can't say that this Goku went through the ToP or that it was even close to, it is too different from the main timeline already
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The two Zenos had nothing to do with that decision. It was specifically because Goku was reminded me of it by Beerus. Something that only happened because Goku “got rusty,” off-screen. Which, by your logic, since Black didn't happen in that Timeline, would happen sooner.
 
Also Grand Priest should not be “DBS Anime”/“DBS Manga”, it should just be “Anime” and “Manga”. Same for Goku Black’s profile and Jiren’s
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Why are they "Son Goku (Classic Toei)" and "Son Goku (Toei)" instead of, like, "Son Goku (DB Anime)" and "Son Goku (DBZ Anime)"?
Like the Dragon Ball Super pages? Also, "Classic Toei"?
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Cause no one bother with naming i suppose. Also didn't Toei Goku involved both Anime and Movies??, name him DBZ Anime do not make sense

And classic anime probably because people used to address Toei original anime like that, this also happened with Sailor Moon
 
Darkmon_cns said:
Well that's silly
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One of them cause they didn't want the others to be stronger than freezer.

Another one used the Kili conversion to argue Goku remained at the same level.

The other was just throwing it as a suggestion in a forum a while ago while discussing Super Saiyan Multipliers.
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
I mean, even if feats deny that, it has been stated several times that Goku and Vegeta reached their peak and couldn't get stronger anymore.

Though they supposedly stopped getting Zenkais since Frieza Saga
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It's not that they can't get stronger or that Zenkai's don't work anymore. The benefits are just smaller because they've hit certain ceilings.
 
RinneItachi said:
It's not that they can't get stronger or that Zenkai's don't work anymore. The benefits are just smaller because they've hit certain ceilings.
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Yeah, but it's not only about Zenkais.

The lattest arcs, specially Cell Max, seemed to imply that they hit their ceiling of power level, and that all they can do now is improve their Ki control to reach a higher level like Jiren's.
 
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