Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[Nullflowerblush]

I managed to get a distance of 363.084 m, which, if Goku reached the Z-Fighters and Frieza within 0.2 sec, equals a speed of Mach 5.29276968.
Although, there's also this calculation.

 

[Huesito88]

Weird, Pretty sure the last 3 episodes of Daima are the characters doing a lot of explaning.

We need the Toei Wank to go ham hopefully

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Weird, Pretty sure the last 3 episodes of Daima are the characters doing a lot of explaning.

Baseline exposition, sure, but not much that we can use for scaling that isn't just visuals. So he's got a point.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Weird, Pretty sure the last 3 episodes of Daima are the characters doing a lot of explaning.

This is a basic explanation, i want things explained in full and without leaving any loose ends, this is not a very detailed explanation for me.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

For those that play Sparking Zero, I gotta ask, does the Fusion get stronger when you fuse the characters in a battle rather than picking them outright from the select screen or it doesn't change anything?

I ask because in BT3 Fusing mid battle resulted in a much stronger fusion.

yes just like BT3

 

[RedReaper616]

For those that play Sparking Zero, I gotta ask, does the Fusion get stronger when you fuse the characters in a battle rather than picking them outright from the select screen or it doesn't change anything?

I ask because in BT3 Fusing mid battle resulted in a much stronger fusion.

As far as I’m aware, this is still the case, yes.

-Saiyans are the descendants of Majin that left the Demon Realm and they evolved from their demonic ape forms into their human forms.
-Turles is an ancient saiyan who possibly fought Yamoshi and has been sealed this entire time
-He somehow ends up free and leads a gang of majin, taking over the Second Demon World
-The Tree of Might is a tree located in the Second Demon World where the Glind (Shin and possibly all the kais) come from
-Turles makes use of the Tree of Might to devour the energies of the Demon Realm, trying to restore the dormant majin power in his blood
-His transformation is a Majin Great Ape
-Ends in Goku defeating him with Ultra Instinct
-Essentially an angelic saiyan overcoming a demonic saiyan

My only change is instead of making Turles as old as Yamoshi, with Saiyans originating from there, it’s that he’s the reverse of Piccolo. When Saiyans left and fled Sadala, whilst a majority made it to Planet Plant, some went into the Demon World. This happened ant the same time the Demons left, allowing them in. Also, I’d keep the Shinseiju (ToM) and Kaiju (World Core Tree) separate, and simply have them share the same planet.

Their exodus changed them via their adaptive and evolutionary capabilities, creating their different anatomy across generations. Then he follows your plot as normal.

I’d explain that reason that the Oozaru have pointy ears is simply the fact Great Apes are a form that feed on the environment. This references GT’s evolutionary schtick with SSJ4, since Toriyama clearly likes doing that and playing with its concepts in Daima. To trigger is the moon, an environmental factor, and the power gain is also partially environmental, sapping the ambient energy from the environment.

Given the wide spread of Demonic Energy in the cosmos due to the exodus of Demon Realm inhabitants, this means many planets are full of residual Demonic Ki. This residual is what triggers those who are so evil that they become Demons turning into Mazoku.

Further, as Saiyans sap it the environment, this means their True Forms are indeed Demonic, but normally they aren’t (hence lack of ears). This also explains part of why Broly’s amp was so abnormally high. As a Demonic Legendary Super Saiyan (as the identical legend of U6 puts it), his mutation is caused by this energy. Then in Ikari, he wasn’t just growing absurdly—He was absorbing the ambient Chi of the planet, and God Ki.

(No, this doesn’t mean he gains God Ki. Saiyans would merely just convert the energy they accept.)

Turles would then be not only a Demonic Saiyan, but a Saiyan trying to achieve Godhood the wrong way. Goku did so with the goodwill of his friends. Turles does it alone, taking advantage of others. Goku worked hard and adapted. Turles steals the Tree of Might and the right of the Gods for his own gain. Goku acts to better himself with pure intentions, Turles acts only to increase his own power and conquer. Further, he mirrors Piccolo.

Born into a Demonic People, the descendant of those forced out of their homeland, fighting for a dead legacy, he understands Turles, and understands why they must fight him. When he was like that, while he had the potential for good, his heart was driven by Pure Evil.

And he mirrors Vegeta, who too had his home stolen by someone else (Frieza), who used to fight for a dead legacy (the Saiyans), and who would also want to fight, as well as save, Turles—Because he was much like himself. A way to absolve himself of the Sins of the Saiyans, by helping a Saiyan who only exists as the negative consequence of rampant battle and classism. As Turles is a Saiyan who is to represent “What if Goku hadn’t bumped his head?” he would be a person who hates the Elite. Not a Vegeta clone of the films, but a fully fleshed and layered hatred.

This also allows him to interface with Gohan, a person who can relate to being in the shadow of another (Goku) and having to fight to exist. He also gets to relate to Broly, who was forcibly ejected due to the heritage of his people by a higher class of Saiyan (King Vegeta) and what the fires of revenge can do to you, through what happened to his father.

Turles rejects enlightenment, rejects the better path, gets defeated, and our heroes end the arc with renewed resolves that resonate with their character arcs.

 

[Omegabronic]

angels should probably be straight up immeasurable speed. Whis has a panel in the manga where he straight up just flies to another timeline

That is dimensional travel tho?

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

That is dimensional travel tho?

No. We've been over this.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I managed to get a distance of 363.084 m, which, if Goku reached the Z-Fighters and Frieza within 0.2 sec, equals a speed of Mach 5.29276968.

Hm, actually, that's an upgrade from his current Supersonic flight speed.

 

[Ednaxel2]

Hm, actually, that's an upgrade from his current Supersonic flight speed.

Why don’t we use the hypersonic+ snake way calc?

 

[RoninSlayer200]

This is a basic explanation, i want things explained in full and without leaving any loose ends, this is not a very detailed explanation for me.

That would be very boring though, it destroys theory crafting.

 

[Ryzen7900X]

That would be very boring though, it destroys theory crafting.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Welcome to vsbw lmao

Hey man I've been dealing with this for years lol I know what gose on (we didnt get goku past 3-A until the TOP where he got high 3-A for jiren shaking the void world)

 

[Nullflowerblush]

What is the absolute smallest timeframe that can be given to Goku's travelling across Namek? What could possibly be accepted?

 

[Vizer04]

What is the absolute smallest timeframe that can be given to Goku's travelling across Namek? What could possibly be accepted?

0.2 seconds

 

[RedReaper616]

What is the absolute smallest timeframe that can be given to Goku's travelling across Namek? What could possibly be accepted?

I think the best you could do is use the smallest timeframe/fastest a person can swing their arm down (as Frieza is in this action to kill Vegeta).

 

[Vizer04]

It's important to note that Goku dissapeared and re-appeared already in the place where Frieza and the others were fighting. His silhouette was blurry as well, almost like an after-image. This implies that he was moving really fast.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

It's important to note that Goku dissapeared and re-appeared already in the place where Frieza and the others were fighting.

Would it be ill-advised to use Superhuman perception timing, considering Goku and co. have been explicitly superhuman as far back as the Tournament Saga?

 

[Iaakk]

In a Universe in DB (the purple thingy outside the galaxy swirly looking thing which is the Macrocosm), the Macrocosm appears to be finite regardless of it being infinite in size, so, wouldn't this logically mean that a Universe has qualtive superiority over the Macrocosm?

Also, shouldn't Goku scale to Infinite Zamasu since TUI, who predated the entire timeline (supported by how Zeno erasing IZ erased the timeline itself, which is confirmed, and so on), meaning Goku scales to his timeline?

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

In a Universe in DB (the purple thingy outside the galaxy swirly looking thing which is the Macrocosm), the Macrocosm appears to be finite regardless of it being infinite in size, so, wouldn't this logically mean that a Universe has qualtive superiority over the Macrocosm?

Also, shouldn't Goku scale to Infinite Zamasu since TUI, who predated the entire timeline (supported by how Zeno erasing IZ erased the timeline itself, which is confirmed, and so on), meaning Goku scales to his timeline?

We finna need you to keep this to yourself big man. No cooking where the opps can see.

 

[Hasty12345]

qualtive superiority over the Macrocosm

1-A Universe

 

[Jinsama]

random post

Most of the speed/lifting feats here and pretty much everywhere are so no sense and just pure wank. Whats the point of wanking your verse and hiding context?

And why do places like Comicvine/Reddit accept the wank of other verses but their Dragonballs takes are so dumb, they make Majin Buu look like a genius. We need a term for that. Buutardism?

All that buutardism and they still get nuked under neutral settings.

Boom I said it.

 

[Vizer04]

I came across a video of a guy that tried to explain the four timelines in DBZ. What's crazy is that the guy in the video came to the exact same conclusion as i did, over a decade ago. It's a huge coincidence and honestly a bit scary but i guess this validates my theory even more :3

 

[Nierre]

how are the lifting strength feats here wank??? if anything they're very conservative (same with speed tbh)

 

[Fezzih_007]

Most of the speed/lifting feats here and pretty much everywhere are so no sense and just pure wank. Whats the point of wanking your verse and hiding context?

You kinda have to give examples, if you want a answer.

 

[Huesito88]

how are the lifting strength feats here wank??? if anything they're very conservative (same with speed tbh)

I thinking he's referring to the idea of crushing/grip strength being used for lifting strength

 

[Kroneii1]

And why do places like Comicvine/Reddit accept the wank of other verses but their Dragonballs takes are so dumb

We should nuke them

 

[Hasty12345]

Those sites operate on fundamentally different principles. This site is a wiki and aims to be as accurate as possible which often involves being more conservative. Those sites have no such wiki orientation and it's just people expressing their opinions (which usually means downplaying every verse they don't like and wanking every other verse).

 

[Ednaxel2]

Those sites operate on fundamentally different principles. This site is a wiki and aims to be as accurate as possible which often involves being more conservative. Those sites have no such wiki orientation and it's just people expressing their opinions (which usually means downplaying every verse they don't like and wanking every other verse).

Comicvine fits this bill yeah, but r/powerscaling uses CSaP's standards (which, admittedly is also vague in many areas)

 

[Hasty12345]

r/powerscaling uses CSaP's standards

Maybe 1/100 members understand them so practically they don't

 

[Ednaxel2]

Maybe 1/100 members understand them so practically they don't

At least some posts are funny

 

[Ryzen7900X]

random post

Most of the speed/lifting feats here and pretty much everywhere are so no sense and just pure wank. Whats the point of wanking your verse and hiding context?

And why do places like Comicvine/Reddit accept the wank of other verses but their Dragonballs takes are so dumb, they make Majin Buu look like a genius. We need a term for that. Buutardism?

All that buutardism and they still get nuked under neutral settings.

Boom I said it.

talking about comicvine and reddit specifically. comicvine is just a trollfest site, it was never a serious VS debating platform and it never will be. they downplay everything barring a few verses such as comic books (obviously, although they're still lowballed) and from what i've seen, Saint Seiya. everything else is trash to them. dragon ball specifically is pretty much treated like the devil's work there.

as for reddit, that really depends what sub you go to. subs like r/whowouldwin actually skew more towards anime and are a lot friendlier to dragon ball super (not so much towards Z, for some reason) than other verses. dragon ball heroes is pretty much treated like TES there. subs like r/powerscaling on the other hand are pretty much bleach fansubs in disguise at this point with dumb takes like 5D or even 6D bleach getting popularized there while a good percentage of their members believe DBS is below universal. it's also the sub that truly took universal Naruto seriously, even today