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Dragon Ball MWI undoing continuation thread
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I read the OP and the arguments I was linked, but all that was like ten pages ago, and I'm not sure if anything changed, so does anyone mind telling me up-to-date evidence, for and against the Afterlife being Universal in size?
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On this page you will find a lot of things about afterlife being considered low 2-C
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All right, I got a translation from a native speaker (though I really doubt it was necessary since the phrase speaks for itself). Is this enough now?
As here too
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The Otherworld as a whole is still stated to be larger than the living universe. when? what statement from the main cannon puts afterlife as "larger than the living universe"?
Right here too
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So, given the cosmology was decomposited and the Anime and Manga should no longer be composite (since they don't fit together as parallel worlds and have different events) does this mean the 'likely 2-C' change will only be for the DBS Anime and the manga will be left untouched?
There are still a few more points like this
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To be a separate spacetime, all thats required is physical separation, Wrong, that is not enough on its own whatsoever, every different dimension, be it a separated space time or not, is physically separated from another dimension, this does not prove that the kaioshin realm is a separated...
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Ok, so the Afterlife in DBS is considered to be equivalent in size to the normal universe, and its counterpart. This is also shown visually, and there are dimensional walls between the two. The only thing that contradicts this is the anime, which doesn't support how the macrocosm is supposed to look.
I suppose I agree with "Likely 2-C" then.
I suppose I agree with "Likely 2-C" then.
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Yes, but seen in the anime guide where the same map is shown, I argued that this anime model is just the observed living Universe, which does not show the complete cosmology, such as the kingdoms shown in the anime and manga, the anime map which is just a ball shaped galaxy contract the other kingdoms existing.
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It's possible, but not confirmed anywhere I don't think, unless I missed something? I still feel a "likely" statement is best.
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For now it's just that, but the other world is also confirmed in guides that are the size of the Universe, guides that are from Akira, in addition to stating cosmos several times, cosmos in DB means another Universe, with a lot of evidence like this I think it would be solid evidence (of course, with various complementary evidence)
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Continuation of this thread Now that the mutiverses have been separated, now we deal with the consequences of it 1 What remains shared Now that the current justification for full shared cosmology is not valid anymore, is there anything that would still be valid for both continuities? 2 Size...
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I get what you're saying, but it's still a visual inconsistency that can't be cleared up without guesswork or assumptions. I'm going with "Likely 2-C" because I feel like there's a lot of evidence that supports it, but that one contradiction also stops it from being solid for me.
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I understand, anyway, thank you very much for your great work and care here
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I see, I understand why you think the DBS Anime visual contradicts the afterlife. Although, it could simply be that the afterlife is within the depiction, but we don’t know where it is. That wouldn’t necessarily contradict statements, at best it would just contradict the past visuals, but that’s not what our argument is comprised of. It’s based off it being a counterpart of a Low 2-C structure, along with its material containing half the volume of the macrocosm. Which would have nothing to do with the visuals.
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guys, best wait for the next thread, this one is already 19 pages of a mess, the size manner for the afterlife is going to be a "likely" universal for a consensus, other manners like the dimensional barriers and space time separation will be covered in the next thread, only reason i am not asking for this to be closed is for me to have a place to link said thread when i launch it
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why does that need to be covered? We already know the realms are spatialtemporally separated, what is the point for another thread?
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other points i was going to bring up to be discussed......but as i said, 19 pages happened about 1 topic alone.....somehow
anyway, i won't waste time trying to bring the other topics here, too big to be properly discussed
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But like why are you making ANOTHER thread for something that was already discussed here? Wouldn't it be better to just make the next thread for updating the profiles.
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it wasn't discussed, dunno if you saw the OP, but this thread devolved into purely "is the afterlife Universe sized?" hence the voting poll being about that......well i won't waste time talking here anymore, see y'all in the next thread
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Part of thread size is frankly just staff being slow to respond. I don't blame them for not showing up in crapshows like DB revisions but of course the thread will get stupidly large when it takes a long while for enough staff to chime in. I do think there should be some sort of limits put in place for posting though. Not as far as Staff Discussion but something like everyone having a limited number of posts or something.
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Finally the Super manga is the superior one of the two nowSo Kaioshin Realm and Afterlife are not actual dimensions in DBS anime?
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Shouldn't there be a speed recalc if the downgrade happens?
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Yes, Omega clarified on that tho
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Cant we just revert to old calc or is there something new to use?
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The old calcs use the macrocosm map in guides to scale the size, which is not allowed anymore
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So if the anime was more like the manga in what is shown for the universe the speed would remain the same right?
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The issue here I that the anime visual does not even show the afterlife or the kaiohin realm, thee is no possible way to use that visual in any kind of discussion of the sizes of those realms, it's either the anime did not show those realms at all, (which in itself would be a contradiction of the very same anime,as those realms have been shown to exist) or the realms are indeed present but not visible, in which case it also can not be used in aby capacity to actually discuss said realms
The dbs anime guide is basically the only source for which we have an illustration of all the realms, and it is exactly the same as the model used in db sine inception and the model used by the dbs manga
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Man we gonna do this again huh?
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Most definitely.
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update: Nearly done writting the OP of the next(Likely final if it doesn't become a mess like this one) thread, still need some finishing touches tho
also contact some of the other DB Supporters to find a way to make the next one a normal CRT while still present flooding, need a response back from them, by the first week of next month the thread will be made
also contact some of the other DB Supporters to find a way to make the next one a normal CRT while still present flooding, need a response back from them, by the first week of next month the thread will be made
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Would your thread affect the Low 1-C scale as well? Since you had talked about timelines being created due to time travel which goes against the rule of hypertimelines
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being honest? no idea, i don't know the argument for Hypertimeline in Dragon Ball very well, if that really goes against the rules of Hypertimeline, then i guess? i will not be the one to do it tho
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No.
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If new versions of timelines are only created if they are changed, due to time travel for example, then the number of "snapshots" of the timeline would be far more limited. The amount of snapshots would be one more than the times the timeline was changed. So, for example, if the timeline is rewritten 2 times, there would be 3 snapshots of the timeline: the original, the timeline after the first rewrite and the timeline after the second rewrite. That are far less than the required uncountably infinite many.
Aside from direct statements, the easiest way to confirm that the line is comprised of uncountably infinite points/"snapshots" is to show that the development of the timelines is time-like. I.e. typically one would want a statement like the alteration of the timelines being subject to its own flow of time or by saying that special time travel can go to prior versions of the timelines instead of the past. The keyword in the latter case is time travel, as that specifies that the action happens through movement through something like time. Note that such statements can be considered contradicted if the fiction specifies that new versions of the timeline, i.e. additional snapshots, are only created when the timeline is altered or similar.
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