If someone said "the only way to enter this place is by swimming" and someone later parted the waters to enter
Except, when Flash runs through dimensions, he is powered by the Speed Force,—DC's multiversal cosmic concept of speed and motion itself,—and explicitly bypasses dimensional barriers through sheer speed. Helps that he can match the vibrational frequencies of alternate dimensions and travel across the Speed Force.
This isn’t really relevant to the point. Which is that the Flash’s running, regardless of how it does this, has extra characteristics mimicking that of teleportation. Thus if I said “You can only get there through teleportation,” the Flash running there cannot feasibly be an anti-feat. His running is teleportation-adjacent/teleportation with travel time. Similarly, Whis’ Warp, while not “transcending dimensions” or “using sheer speed,” is still, demonstrably, utilizing teleportation-adjacent properties/is teleportation with a travel time, and thus, cannot be an anti-feat.
This is relevant, because the Flash’s multiversal traveling via vibrations rather than “simple movement” is technically a detractor from the analogy, but as far as I know Barry, Wally, etc. can do both vibrational travel and straight up “running normal” travel.
iirc DC's Multiverse never stablishes that traveling to other universes is only possible via Teleport......so the example doesn't work here since we do have a statement saying that only teleportation should work to go to the likes of the Kaioshin realm
That…doesn’t matter? Furthermore, I said “if.” As in, if I hypothetically pointed at a place and said “teleporting only,” Flash’s running would not be an anti-feat because his movement, running, has teleportation characteristics within it, making it qualify despite not actually being teleporting.
......except it literally does?
Flash is said to be speed, only speed, going so fast that he made a space warp, he has statements explaining how he did it, Whis...doesn't have that, so idk why you are trying to say both do the same thing when you gave nothing to indicate as such.............point is, as you said, it isn't teleporting, the guide said it only travels there by teleporting, therefore since you don't need teleporting, the guide is contradicted, btw before you say "Flash" again......Flash isn't even teleporting between universe exactly, so that example doesn't even make sense
Yes lol
the point is.......no one presented a source for Whis' stuff to be via speed so fast he can just do that, as lephyr said, this is just an assumption, which in itself is not proof
Broski, traveling between dimensions via speed isn't even 'being fast', I hope you realize that. We don't even have a rating for that because guess what? We list it as dimensional travel.
.......you didn't get the point, what you said.....didn't really addressed it at all
Universe 10
That’s neither of those-
Bingo!!!
While Whis did travel through time, I don’t believe we’re at all told his methods. He just says he will do so and then leaves with Beerus via Warp. Unless we’re to interpret that as the moment he literally travels through time (which I don’t, because while the Kaioshin and Angels are allowed to travel to the Future, Beerus, as a Hakaishin, is not). From what I remember, it’s totally offscreened.
Whis has dimensional travel through his raw speed that is capable of creating portals to enter another realm, I think Whis used the same thing to go to the future of another parallel world, once you cross a void between the timelines and you are able to cross time lines with dimensional travel.
Basically, only new info is the afterlife confirmed t be called the upper half of the total sphere, which means it has a similar volume as the living world, further emphasizing it's low2c nature, it's also stated to be the contrast /counterpart of the living world
Isn't that expected from every Dragon ball thread at this point?....
The summaries of the new arguments for and against are linked in the OP
That is not the only new one since he voted tho
This one is an exception even still, somehow it became a question of whether there are other spacetimes and if warp is just normal flight
I hope I don't come off as pretentious but calc members don't count as staff votes
It shouldn't be. I don't know how one topic leads to constant debate on other topics that not all contribute to the main discussion.
The ones at the bottom of the OP? Looking over those new arguments, my overall opinion hasn't changed really. I still think likely 2-C is the way to go.
Thank you very much, sorry you went through all this
Did you change position?
yeah i guess.......let's wait a little more tho, if it doesn't get more votes by the weekend i will just finish this thread as concluded with a "likely" rating and start planning my last thread on the matter
