That makes sense
I mean, isn't that true for real life as well?
That's true also kid buu being a threat to the realms
Depends if they are talking about the universe as in the living universe
I mean it was stated kid buu would destroy the universe from the kaioshin realm if they lost, pretty blatant, and it was shown characters are capable of affecting spacetime, even gokus energy as able to hit the kaioshin realm from the living universe.
That part was not said, it could be as easily as him just destroying the kaiorealm and then going to the universe and blowing it up
This is not affecting space time tho
his ki hit gohan without even trying to sense it, definitely has to cross spacetime or affect it to some unquantifiable degree to do that, and gotenks and buu are able to break spacetime, albiet on a smaller scale, definitely evidence
Elder kai stated he was a threat to it not only the kaioshen realm but the other realm (can't remember since he was going to destroy it but was stop by Goku and vegeta)
can i have the chapter?
It was the anime not the manga, eposide prob after kid buu came to existance which goku needed to use instant transmission from the other kai to enter the kaio realm
No, it traveled to the kaio realm, which is an unquantifiable speed feat for the ki, not him affecting space time
Yeah, now you would just need to prove they affecting it on a universal scale and boom, tier 2 Z
Well, he said that he was going to their realm after he was done with the universe, it might as well be proof of dimensional travel, vice shout kid buu pherhaps?
I mean it could be kid buu would destroy the living world, than go the other world and destroy them. But yea its prove dimensional travel even Kid buu was able to enter the other realms which are different spacetime
So at least tier 3 Z era
Yea if buu is destroying the space of all the realm it would be Tier 3 but again those universes are infinite so High 3-A than?
not infinite anymore
Wait- What was the reason towards it being not infinite
That was downgraded a little while ago
Bro doomed himself by naming it Low Multiversal and then adding Buu saga next to it skull
she is clearly talking about the living universe in the context, also she does know about the afterlife since the saiyan saga and the kaioshin realm since the buu saga
in this context it is kind of blatant that this is what she is talking about, hence why she said that she needs to go to the center to scan all of the area of the universe
what sphere are you talking about? You didn't explained why that wouldn't make the sphere just not infinite
What exactly do you mean?
says who?
When?
That's what I am saying, If she is referring to the living universe in context It wouldn't mean the Entire Universe would be finite in sense since it only prove the living world is just the observale. It's supported by the fact the living world is just a portion of the U7 not the Entire in sense. Would that prove she knows the structure and how the other world works? Hell even when talk about heaven she didn't even know heaven was the size of the universe until someone told her. Just because bulma have encountered these realms it doesn't necessarily mean that she has complete knowledge or understanding of their structure or scope. Her knowledge are limited to what she has observed or been told by others.
let's consider a concept known as a bounded but infinite universe. In this scenario, one could imagine a universe that has a finite volume or extent, yet is still considered infinite in size. This notion may seem contradictory at first, but it is possible to conceptualize such a scenario by employing certain mathematical concepts. In mathematics, there are examples of bounded spaces that are infinite in size. For instance, consider a number line that extends from negative infinity to positive infinity. The number line has no boundaries in the sense that it continues indefinitely in both directions, yet it is bounded within a certain range.
The fact that Bulma has only studied the field of time Traveling and Mechanicsim only as we seen in dragon ball there is no point in using her statement when even she admitted of not knowing other planets like namek.
you know that all the infinite arguments are about the living universe right?
separated space times, this logic really confuses me
why would she need to know how they work?
This matters very little, also another continuity
again, why does any of these realms matter when all the statements are about the living universe?
it isn't bounded by anything, there is no edge that ends it, and there is no center also
Jaco comfirmed that she was right and there is a center, also she made a machine to scan the universe, there is also no proof that she doesn't know anything but mecanism and time travel, also since travel in db is the study of SPACE time, i would say that she knows a thing or 2 about how her space worksThe fact that Bulma has only studied the field of time Traveling and Mechanicsim only as we seen in dragon ball there is no point in using her statement when even she admitted of not knowing other planets like namek.
Yea I know, saying that the Entire Universe being finite because the living universe isn't infinite means the cosmology isn't in a sense infinite?
Ok look, the living world(Mortal Realm) is in sense just a portion towards the Enitre Macrosom , if its been finite in sense than it wouldn't mean the Entire Universe is finite it would just prove the living world is just the Observle Universe.
Your ignoring what I said before "Just because bulma have encountered these realms it doesn't necessarily mean that she has complete knowledge or understanding of their structure or scope" It's litterrly shown that bulma needs to listen to others about the Macrosom even when the fact she doesn't even have that much Knoweledge.
Than I am misunderstanding the argument, thought it was arguing the Entire Universe is finite. I am just proving the living world is just the Observal Universe.
The argument is that the living universe is finite, not the entire cosmology
dude, separated space times, there is no way to "look" at them to make the living universe the "observable universe" also again, all the statements are about the living universe
about the living universe
Do you have any proof that she doesn't when a knowledgeable person comfirms one of the things she said?
Do you know what the "observable" universe is? Earth is on the edge of the living universe, it can't be on the edge if it is the "observable" universe
No that wasn't my argument but I can explain it more in depths one day. Yea alright than
Another Thread about Infinite universe?
Because no one want DB get CM hax, that simple, other verses could get CM hax for extremely vague explanation, but when it come to DB, either they say the verse don't namedrop the word concept, or when there is concept word they will say it is flowery, hyperbole language, or else they will say that CM hax didn't fit with the setting of DB
Tbf this was for type 2 CM while SDBH had/wanted type 1 (iirc) so kinda a false equivalence plus the old jurisdictions were consider more akin to Text manipulation plus RW (although I personally believe SDBH does have enough evidence for Information manipulation).
Until you get staff members that actually enjoy SDBH outside Vs debating (or is knowledgeable about it) to help advocate for you while building a trustworthy hardworking, positive reputation among regular neutral users, it's kinda difficult to get upgrades tho calling the kettle black doesn't help anyone's case either tbh.
That's objective, you can clearly see frieza in base form neg Gas. This is similar to Goku and vegeta first time unlocking blue. It's shown they have the form in them yet they still in Base. It's just shown frieza is prob showing them his true form
