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Dragon Ball Daima Spoiler Discussion Thread

Shin didn't know about Zeno at that time, how are people saying that shin not mentioning Zeno as the highest authority (he knew) makes Zeno weaker? It would be a huge plot hole if he name dropped Zeno. The allegations get stronger everyday

And no, claiming rymus made a timeline is a massive stretch, because the demon realm already existed, meaning there was a timeline present, unless you want to assume it's outside an entire timeline too which would be baseless. For now he just created universes as everything they contained
 
ArcaneAbyss said:
Shin didn't know about Zeno at that time, how are people saying that shin not mentioning Zeno as the highest authority (he knew) makes Zeno weaker? It would be a huge plot hole if he name dropped Zeno. The allegations get stronger everyday

And no, claiming rymus made a timeline is a massive stretch, because the demon realm already existed, meaning there was a timeline present, unless you want to assume it's outside an entire timeline too which would be baseless. For now he just created universes as everything they contained
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Each individual universe is accepted s being a 2-C structure so he did make timelines, there's just also a underlining hypertimeline
 
RoninSlayer200 said:
Glazing Rymus is all cool but don't forget that a random sea monster in Demon Realm casually scales above Goku and Vegeta

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Dabura couldn't beat the Tamagami.

Goku beat one Tamagami.

Goku says he can't beat a random sea monster.

Meaning a random sea monster was vastly stronger than the Demon King.

Wut
 
Lawyerr said:
Dabura couldn't beat the Tamagami.

Goku beat one Tamagami.

Goku says he can't beat a random sea monster.

Meaning a random sea monster was vastly stronger than the Demon King.

Wut
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I love akira and rip but wtf is this, also was there a statement that the kids are slightly weaker than their adult?
 
NishizumiShiho said:
I guess Zen'ō is the GoD of the Dragon Ball Multiverses while Rymus is essentially the Supreme Kai of the Multiverses.

This would make sense and if Rymus exist on Heroes/Divers, logically that would make Chronoa is the Supreme Kai of Time of the entire Multiverses.

Zen'o: Destruction
Rymus: Creation
Chronoa: Space-Time
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All points out Rymus is above Zeno
 
I swear to god ... yall abuse that term "retcon" like 99% of the time. Shit feels like powerscaler abusing outversal for every god damn verse, lmao.

Lawyerr said:
Dabura couldn't beat the Tamagami.

Goku beat one Tamagami.

Goku says he can't beat a random sea monster.

Meaning a random sea monster was vastly stronger than the Demon King.

Wut
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Maybe rewatch that Broly movie. There are creatures that a super strong and dont rely on KI-control at all.

That Kraken is from the 2. demon world > 3. demon world; basically like a JRPG-hierarchy.

Kraken solos Buu Saga. Love it. Gimme more!
 
Dragon Ball Daima: Haha big fish thing, Goku beat up the bad guys, ooo old version of Namek. Btw this guy made the entire 18 universes and is the supreme authority in the multiverse. Who's Zeno again?

These lore drops get me excited and allat but the absolute lack of recognition for pre-established lore in DBS is just...weird, to me.

Like where are the GoD's and Angels, where's Zeno. But I guess it's already too much that Goku, Piccolo, and Vegeta don't care about multiple universes being mentioned despite them not knowing in DBS and being surprised, that would just be extra lol.

Also, about the Supreme Kai trees being dead and them being doomed to extinction; unless that just gets changed later in Daima, does this not contradict DBS as well? If they will die out in a while once their longevity reaches its limits, that means the Gods of Destruction will die with them by default. Like Daima feels like it's being coy about dancing around DBS lore while trying to maintain its own identity. It's canon but it's pretending there's no story afterwards. If Daima came before DBS in like 2014 it wouldn't matter but like we're so far into the lore that coming back to pre-BoG era and seeing this is so weird.

Also literally just some random demon being a god-like entity capable of effortlessly making a multiverse is so hilarious to me. Why would he even listen to some Supreme Demon King's orders? Does this mean Dabura could command a Zeno-tier being?
 
CiscoTheSoto said:
It seems stupid to assume "they all just forgot." and yet another instance of changing what's been established in prior series without thinking about ramifications or consistency. I'm rather uncomfortable with how this will all play out.
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To be fair, they've forgotten shit, canonically and it's played off as "oh uhm oops lmao". They don't really give a ****.
RinneItachi said:
If they will die out in a while once their longevity reaches its limits, that means the Gods of Destruction will die with them by default.
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Probably not, we know for 100% of a fact the role of Supreme Kai can change. It was Elder Kai with Beerus first, then swapped to Shin, and with it the tied existence thing based on the future timeline.
And we know Zamasu was gonna replace Gowasu.

They'd probably just cycle out like the GoD's do, like when Toppo becomes a GoD, are we going to assume he won't be tied to the U11 Kai now? No, Toppo will just take that role and be tied to that rule.

Which is to say, we know for a fact that Kai's and Gods can change, and whoever becomes the new one has that rule apply. There ain't a rule saying that only Glind's can be Supreme Kai's.
RinneItachi said:
Also literally just some random demon being a god-like entity capable of effortlessly making a multiverse is so hilarious to me. Why would he even listen to some Supreme Demon King's orders? Does this mean Dabura could command a Zeno-tier being?
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Idk maybe he asked nicely, maybe he wasn't actually an asshole, maybe the dude went "huh good idea" and did it anyway. We don't know to say it's a power thing. Could literally have just been because he was on a payroll who knows.
 
Chariot190 said:
Idk maybe he asked nicely, maybe he wasn't actually an asshole, maybe the dude went "huh good idea" and did it anyway. We don't know to say it's a power thing. Could literally have just been because he was on a payroll who knows.
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While I do agree that we don't have enough information to confirm whether it really was a power thing, considering this is Dragon Ball the odds that it will be revealed to be a power thing are quite high.
 
Chariot190 said:
Probably not, we know for 100% of a fact the role of Supreme Kai can change. It was Elder Kai with Beerus first, then swapped to Shin, and with it the tied existence thing based on the future timeline.
And we know Zamasu was gonna replace Gowasu.

They'd probably just cycle out like the GoD's do, like when Toppo becomes a GoD, are we going to assume he won't be tied to the U11 Kai now? No, Toppo will just take that role and be tied to that rule.

Which is to say, we know for a fact that Kai's and Gods can change, and whoever becomes the new one has that rule apply. There ain't a rule saying that only Glind's can be Supreme Kai's.

Idk maybe he asked nicely, maybe he wasn't actually an asshole, maybe the dude went "huh good idea" and did it anyway. We don't know to say it's a power thing. Could literally have just been because he was on a payroll who knows.
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I know that the roles can change of course. But Glinds will inevitably go extinct.

Only Glinds can be Supreme Kai's based on everything we've seen and heard in the franchise, between DBS and Daima so far. ALL Kai's beyond the quadrant Kai's that we've ever seen are Glinds, Glinds were sent from the Demon Realm to the universes to help them which is obviously trying to connect to the whole Supreme Kai-God of Destruction thing, and there is no suggestion anywhere that Supreme Kai's can be any other race. Up until Daima there wasn't even such a thing as Glinds, Supreme Kai's were just Supreme Kai's. It's exclusively always been their thing and what they represent in the story. I'm not saying it makes sense because frankly it doesn't. But that's how the story has appeared.

Most likely what's going to happen is that at the end of Daima the trees just get restored via Mc-Plot Device (maybe Goku will use the Demon Realm Dragon Ball's for that instead) to justify it in the context of DBS. Still doesn't explain why the Gods of Destruction and Angels just don't care that the Glinds will die but whatever.

I wasn't implying it was a power thing, just that it's weird that such a being would be "commanded" by a Supreme Demon King. The wording used suggests that the SDK TOLD him to do it as an order.
 
RinneItachi said:
I wasn't implying it was a power thing, just that it's weird that such a being would be "commanded" by a Supreme Demon King. The wording used suggests that the SDK TOLD him to do it as an order.
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Eh, super powerful cosmic beings being commanded by someone weaker isn't that weird, not uncommon for stories to have it happen for different reasons. Maybe the SDK is just cracked, or maybe he was just paying the dude or had something to control him, maybe they were close friends which is why he's fine following orders, who knows. Hell dude might just have really good creation powers but be built like he's made outta paper mache.
 
RinneItachi said:
Only Glinds can be Supreme Kai's based on everything we've seen and heard in the franchise, between DBS and Daima so far.
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Just because all Kais Glinds, doesn't mean nothing else can be.
RinneItachi said:
ALL Kai's beyond the quadrant Kai's that we've ever seen are Glinds,
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You just gave an example of non Glind Kai's, that should serve as evidence for, not against.
RinneItachi said:
Glinds were sent from the Demon Realm to the universes to help them which is obviously trying to connect to the whole Supreme Kai-God of Destruction thing, and there is no suggestion anywhere that Supreme Kai's can be any other race.
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There's also no suggestion that they can't be. I mean, every Supreme Kai except Shin and Zamasu are the original ones to begin with.
RinneItachi said:
Up until Daima there wasn't even such a thing as Glinds, Supreme Kai's were just Supreme Kai's. It's exclusively always been their thing and what they represent in the story. I'm not saying it makes sense because frankly it doesn't. But that's how the story has appeared.
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Sure but again, we know others can take the role, they never say it must be a Glind, just that the Glinds were sent out to oversee and that's still the case because like, theyre all alive still. Why not have a Glind replace a Glind anyhow? They live for billions of years evidently given Gowasu's old ass is older than the universe.
RinneItachi said:
Most likely what's going to happen is that at the end of Daima the trees just get restored via Mc-Plot Device (maybe Goku will use the Demon Realm Dragon Ball's for that instead) to justify it in the context of DBS. Still doesn't explain why the Gods of Destruction and Angels just don't care that the Glinds will die but whatever.
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I mean, that's like ten billion years off, and it matters even less if non Glinds can be Kai's.
RinneItachi said:
I wasn't implying it was a power thing, just that it's weird that such a being would be "commanded" by a Supreme Demon King. The wording used suggests that the SDK TOLD him to do it as an order.
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Yeah maybe, but complying with being told doesn't mean he couldn't refuse if he wanted.
The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
While I do agree that we don't have enough information to confirm whether it really was a power thing, considering this is Dragon Ball the odds that it will be revealed to be a power thing are quite high.
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Idk, weak af dudes having an OP lapdog is common in DB.
 
Chariot190 said:
Just because all Kais Glinds, doesn't mean nothing else can be.

You just gave an example of non Glind Kai's, that should serve as evidence for, not against.

There's also no suggestion that they can't be. I mean, every Supreme Kai except Shin and Zamasu are the original ones to begin with.

Sure but again, we know others can take the role, they never say it must be a Glind, just that the Glinds were sent out to oversee and that's still the case because like, theyre all alive still. Why not have a Glind replace a Glind anyhow? They live for billions of years evidently given Gowasu's old ass is older than the universe.

I mean, that's like ten billion years off, and it matters even less if non Glinds can be Kai's.

Yeah maybe, but complying with being told doesn't mean he couldn't refuse if he wanted.

Idk, weak af dudes having an OP lapdog is common in DB.
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Thus, why I'm saying "based on what we've seen". Not many things in Dragon Ball are set in stone to begin with and retcons happen all the time, especially in Daima.

Quadrant Kai's and Supreme Kai's are not the same entities even remotely so I genuinely don't know what this is supposed to be evidence for. They are different in literally every way besides name. Purpose, powers, place, etc..

But I digress. This discussion is pointless and I don't think you understand what I was trying to say in the first place.

As for that, again not my point in any way.
 
I mean, the best we could say is that Rymus is the supreme kai equivalent to Zeno, with Rymus being strong, but weaker than zeno, since zeno only seems to destroy, it would also fit with the grand priest being the angel to zeno, like how whis is to beerus.........
 
RinneItachi said:
Only Glinds can be Supreme Kai's based on everything we've seen and heard in the franchise, between DBS and Daima so far.
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In the DBS Manga, Trunks became the Supreme Kai Apprentice, the role you take on your way to becoming a Supreme Kai, so clearly it’s not race-based.

(Whilst this additional piece of information {SDBH} is noncanon, this lore was also made by Toriyama, which supports the idea—And it’s that literally anyone can become the SKoT. Part of Demigra’s literal backstory is he was gunning for the title and just lost to Chronoa, {similar to how Garlic lost to the Son of Katatz for the role of Kami}. It’s just a feature that seems to exist in Toriyama’s idea of the cosmos.)
 
Lawyerr said:
Dabura couldn't beat the Tamagami.

Goku beat one Tamagami.

Goku says he can't beat a random sea monster.

Meaning a random sea monster was vastly stronger than the Demon King.

Wut
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There literally regarded as instant death. It just means even the Demon king fears the darkness, what else would you expect from the maybe homeland of zeno?
 
Certain people are trying way too hard to find problems in the new information when there isn't any

Besides that, something I noticed people haven't mentioned which I find interesting is that the second demon world, is just filled with different planets in the sky. The difference between the Demon worlds so far is pretty neat, Demon World 3 seemed like a regular area with a death pit and some heavy air, Demon World 2 a water area with a bunch of different planets in the sky. Wonder if Demon World 1 will have any unique characteristics not yet noted.

Also, Tama 1 is badass
 
Braking said:
Seeing people on twitter saying that rymus “retconned” Zeno is genuine proof that most of the db fandom has never genuinely read their series
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Eh, nothing new in that case. Most DB fans love showing off how they've basically only got a basic plot summary by playing the games (And only of the Z portion / second half of the original series, lmao at the idea of the average DB fan engaging with anything pre-raditz) and watching DBS, and frankly I'd bet my left leg on most of them only skimming DBS and only watching what they think are the hype moments.
 
Dust_Collector said:
Eh, nothing new in that case. Most DB fans love showing off how they've basically only got a basic plot summary by playing the games (And only of the Z portion / second half of the original series, lmao at the idea of the average DB fan engaging with anything pre-raditz) and watching DBS, and frankly I'd bet my left leg on most of them only skimming DBS and only watching what they think are the hype moments.
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I legit think only people in Japan and Latin America have watched the original Dragon Ball.
 
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