DMC2 Dante

[Lightning_XXI]

Yo guys

So, a few days ago we downgraded Argosax since his fight with Sparda was only a few centuries ago and by this time Sparda had his power already sealed (likely), so he needing help to seal him is no longer a proof that makes DMC2 Dante stronger than Sparda

With this, the scalling chain changes a bit, with Sid being the "baseline High 6-A" and Mundus, Dante and Sparda being far stronger than him. We know that Sparda > Mundus, and Dante Sparda DT also is > Mundus

So Sid < Abigail < Mundus, with Argosax being a "Likely High 6-A"

But what about Dante and Sparda ? Well, we have a few feats and statements that can proof that Dante is stronger than his father:

DMC4 Guide: It is stated that Dante's abilities with his Sword and his guns made some people believe that he surpassed his father

DMC2 Guide: Right before the fight with Argosax, the game states that Dante shall surpass everyone who came before him, this would include Sparda

DMC2 Novel: Dante here defeated Void Mundus, who's stronger than the original, without any trouble

Since the best feat from Sparda is beating regular Mundus (it is Unknown if it was a stomp or a close battle) and Dante's best feat is defeating Void Mundus without any trouble.

So, if this isn't enough to say that Dante > Sparda, then the Demon Slayer should be " At least Multi-Continent level, possibly Higher", without the "Likely" and at his father's level

Buuuuut if this is enough to say that Dante is stronger than his father by DMC2, then the justification should be something different, because "beating Argosax" is not a feat that give us a proof that Dante is > Sparda, not anymore since he was downgraded

I suggest (yes, I believe we have enough proof to say that Dante is stronger than his father) that DMC2 Dante key should be:

- At least Multi-Continent level, likely Higher (Stronger than his father, defeated an alternate version of Mundus that was more powerful than the original without any trouble)

 

[Dark649]

Seems ok as it's just adding more stuff to him.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Yeah is just a better justification to his "At least Multi-Continent level, Likely Higher"

Argosax was downgraded, so we need to give another feat for Dante to justify he being stronger than his father since the actual justification is "easily defeated Argosax", or he should be "Possibly Higher" instead of "Likely Higher", scalling directly from Sparda

The OP already suggest which feats should be used to justify he being stronger than Sparda

 

[Sparda_20000000]

I think likely higher is fine don't forget dmc 2 Dante is stronger then dmc 4 Dante who is suggested to be above Sparda

While we are here Dante's age needs to be fixed

He is 19 in 3

28 in 1

38 in 4

And in his early/mid 40s in 2 and 5

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Yes, "Likely Higher" is fine but we need another justification, "Easily defeated Argosax" is meh now that he was downgraded

My sugestion for his DMC2 Key is:

- At least Multi-Continent level, likely Higher (Stronger than his father, defeated Argosax and an alternate version of Mundus that was more powerful than the original without any trouble)

 

[Sparda_20000000]

That's a good justification we could add that he is stronger than his dmc 4 incarnation who already surpassed sparda

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Well, the only thing that we have in DMC4 is that guide tho, we can't say for sure that he already surpassed Sparda by that time, do you know other thigs that can prove that DMC4 Dante is > Sparda ?

DMC2 Dante have better feats, however, he we can say for sure

 

[Sparda_20000000]

Well the saviour was being powered by sparda's full power and Dante wasn't really taking the fight seriously

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

The new justification is better, yes.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Well the saviour was being powered by sparda's full power and Dante wasn't really taking the fight seriously

Yeah, but he was powered by Sparda Sword, which have a good portion of Sparda's power but not all of it, Sparda with his powers sealed still could fight Argosax

Since Dante doesn't have any trouble with Savior, we can say that DMC4 Dante is kinda equal to his father, perhaps a little weaker, perhaps a little stronger, he didn't used his DT, so...

But DMC2 Dante we can say for sure.

Anyway, can we add the new justication ?

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

We don't really know if Sparda actually fought Argosax though IIRC.

The new justification can be applied, yes.

 

[Elizhaa]

Seems alright as well

 

[ZERO7772]

I highly doubt the savior had the same power as Sparda tbh. Also, is the DMC2 novle canon or not? Beause defeating Void Munuds should put Dante easily on the level of his father without this whole loop.

Also, fix Dante's age while you are at it tbh.

 

[Dark649]

I don't see why not if the novel actually helps with the story/scaling without causing problems. Void Mundus is a stronger version of the original, so it's like Kirby fighting a stronger version of the previous bosses.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

The Savior have Sparda SWORD Power, which a good portion, but not ALL of Sparda's power

Base DMC4 Dante is kinda equal to Savior

So DMC4 DT Dante might be Sparda level

Anyway ~~

So Dark, everyone seems to agree, can you make the changes and close the thread ? o/

 

[Dark649]

Yes and you can also change the Savior justification.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Okay o/

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Seems fine.