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DMC revision of somesort

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Somewhat of a quick little revision with points that I like to address.

1.Mundus is not the black horned demon with a spear, the demon black horn demon with a spear is more than likely Bolverk since it literally describes him perfectly and even if that was Mundus it shouldn't be taken too literally since Mundus does not want to destroy the Human world or Earth, he has been stated repeatedly in the guidebooks to want to take control over both the Human and Demon world so why would he want to destroy it? https://plus.google.com/photos/1073...9/6317346234501682514?authkey=CNDeyeTwgtm36wE

https://plus.google.com/photos/1073...9/6317346230578566466?authkey=CNDeyeTwgtm36wE

https://plus.google.com/photos/1073...9/6317346231880928962?authkey=CNDeyeTwgtm36wE

2.Mundus did not teleport Dante to another dimension during the final battle.Idk how one came to this conclusion when the in-game showings counter it.To put it simply Mundus' teleportation doesn't behave like this: https://youtu.be/0jvwzkwmFn0 (2:45)and has never been shown to behave that way.Mundus teleportation has always been this: https://youtu.be/_TPu2YwpR18 (3:35).And it couldn't be a portal because Mundus' portals also do not look like that aswell.Here is what Mundus' portal looks like: https://youtu.be/0jvwzkwmFn0 (17:20) and this is confirmed to be a portal by the guidebook:

https://plus.google.com/photos/1073...9/6317346231101648994?authkey=CNDeyeTwgtm36wE

https://plus.google.com/photos/phot...818?icm=false&iso=true&authkey=CLqbu4CSi9j7Gw

and besides all that teleportation or portal creation in DMC verse has never looked anything like what Mundus did in that scene.

3.Dante's healing has never been shown to become less efficient when his stamina decreases, this is just headcanon nonsense.


And here are some additions/noteworthy to the verse but I'm not sure where exactly they go or if they are valid.

1) Mundus and Plasma have Particle beam attacks: https://plus.google.com/photos/photo/107322726816766161157/6459684160887105026?icm=false&iso=true https://plus.google.com/photos/phot...306?icm=false&iso=true&authkey=CKy07dashoKmQg

2)The approach of the Demon World warps space-time and causes time paradoxes:

https://plus.google.com/photos/106147690006204130752/album/6330746542532651681/6330746542336526514

https://plus.google.com/photos/106147690006204130752/album/6330746542532651681/6330746595655074402

Even fodder like the Hell Vanguard warps space-time: https://plus.google.com/photos/1073...3/6376657022163835186?authkey=CI6n--T7sKC_3AE

(^just wanted to point this out^)

3)Demons gain power from taking or inflicting pain:

https://plus.google.com/photos/phot...218?icm=false&iso=true&authkey=CO3l_MH35qaQIA

Possible stamina addition.

4.Damned Rook shoots Lasers:

https://plus.google.com/photos/1073...3/6376657022295500994?authkey=CI6n--T7sKC_3AE

Possible speed feat calc.

5.Vergil survives getting cut in half(scales to Dante):

https://youtu.be/wmXhOQgWzEg

Added this because I don't know what level of regen this would be and dunno if it could possibly be an upgrade.

And that's about it really.I don't really know how to end these so I will just end it.
 
Also sorry about doing this RIGHT after the other revision was just concluded.I just felt like I had to get this off my chest.
 
This looks solid. Also that's most likely mid as Vergils body actually stays attached throughout the attack
 
You should really link the times in those youtube videos. The particle beam looks like aim-dodging also.
 
I thought I did link it with the right times, I checked when I copied the link but I guess its just youtube being youtube,and the particle beam thing is more for resistance to matter manipulation and is a possible speed feat.Ill try to reply with the right time stamps for the feats when I get back , which will be a day, but i dont have the time atm sorry,
 
Someone else thats familiar with what Im talking about should be able to post the stamps while im gone, if not ill just do it when i come back.
 
@Fate

Because Kamiya is a known troll who gives half-hearted answers to fan questions.
 
If don't know how to talk to a lady ask your mom. Kamiya to those that constantly asks him questions.
 
We don't use author statement since Rick has not his 2-A key, also Matthew debunked it if i recall and said that he scales to Abigail, who did only a High 6-A feat.
 
Quick Question.

Arkham was shown and stated to have the power of Sparda.

Even if he couldn't control it, wouldn't that be grounds for 6A if not High 6A?
 
I agree with the thread and while I also agree with most of the revisions on the previous thread, I also felt like some of it was decided in a rush and should get re-evaluated. Especially the confusion surrounding Mundus's role in the manga (I believe it's this one: http://3.p.mpcdn.net/2279/37955/5.jpg?1433597466), a proper distinction for Pluto(is he really someone else or not) and the long debated portal/teleportation feat(I agree on the notion that Mundus didn't create a literal actual universe with countless galaxies, stars and planets, but I believe it's still ambiguous whether he simply teleported Dante to a random location in Demon World or created a temporal pocket dimension for the fight specifically).

I have some artbooks in my possession and I'll dig for some information myself and will try to shed some light on those questions;

-Who is Pluto?

-Who is the one mentioned on that specific manga page or is it maybe simply mythology?

-What did Mundus exactly do at that cinematic right before the bossfight?(Hopefully with credible sources)

As a side note, I agree with the OP on Regenerationn feat. If Dante's regen is really getting lower with decreased stamina, we need solid evidence of it.

@Gargoyle One

Maybe potentially; but we didn't see any such feat directly from him and I'm not sure that putting him into the same class with Argosax, Abigail and Mundus is a good idea. He is a corrupt man with a lust for power and in DMC universe, possessing power revolves around having a heart, the ability to love.Sanctus, much like Arkham, couldn't wield Sparda's full power for the same reason. But even if all of what I said is pure speculation, we have no reason to assume that Arkham is at the same level with Sparda.
 
For kamiya answering questions, did ya even see half his responses? One was ask him yourself and another was ask your mom. He doesnt give a shit.
 
Gargoyle One said:
I'm genuinely surprised that Dante doesn't have the AP to be Moon level.
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Me too

Dante is more powerful than Argosax who is more powerful than Sparda who is more powerful than Mundus who is more powerful than Abigail who has a huge High 6A feat

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND, in his BASE, without Devil Trigger, without Majin Form

Also, Abigail is far slower than DMC2 Dante (he blitzed Argosax in Base form easily) and have a Sub Rel feat, with 4,6% of the speed of light, with 5% he would be Sul Rel +, and again, in base form, without Devil Trigger, without Quicksilver, without Chrono Heart and without Majin Form

Maaaaaan, DMC2 Dante can be much more powerful than we think, we just do not have calculations for this...
 
@Dante

As far as I can remember, Dante used his Devil Trigger against Mundus so...

Where are you getting these numbers from?

Quicksilver slows down time, we can't use it for speed.
 
He didn't, he used the Sparda Form

Funny you say that, Lina calc'd the Quicksilver scene where he got it, and it does stop time briefly.
 
Reppuzan said:
@Dante
As far as I can remember, Dante used his Devil Trigger against Mundus so...

Where are you getting these numbers from?

Quicksilver slows down time, we can't use it for speed.
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Yes, he used the Sparda Devil Trigger, which is the manifestation of his father's powers through the Sparda sword, but that was the Dante of DMC1, he was stronger in Anime, then stronger in DMC4 and then even stronger in DMC2 , remember, he easiliy defeated Argosax in base (DMC2)

Sparda needed help to seal Argosax, and Sparda was stronger than Mundus, and Mundus gained from Abigail control of the world of the dead, then Mundus> Abigail.

Finally, Abigail has a great High 6A feat

And well, time is relative (hauhauah), if Dante slows down the time around him, automatically in the perception of others, he is moving faster, this is very easy to understand, if, for example, Quickisilver slows down the time that neither that is in 3 times, dante would already be Relativistic for the people around him, since:

Dante's speed (Abigail's powerscalling) = 13,800 Km / s (Sub Rel)

13,800 X3 = 41,400 Km/s, Relativistic

If we took a section of DMC3 gameplay in which it uses Quicksilver, we could compare the speed that the enemies start to move; If this difference is 2 times only, Dante, in relation to his enemies, when activating Quicksilver, would be twice as fast:

13,800 X 2 = 27,600, that would be 9.2% SoL, and it would be Sub Rel +

Understood ? If Dante uses this ability, his enemy will move X times slower, or if we take the Enemy's point of view, Dante is X times faster.

This considering that Dante has not increased its speed since the Anime, but this is not true, since it was shown much faster than Argosax, that already was superior to Sparda, that was superior to Mundus that was superior to Abigail, the latter is the "owner" of the Sub Rel feat. I think it's worth trying to calculate how much Quicksilver slows the time, because it ends up being connected to Dante's speed in relation to his enemies
 
@WeeklyBattles Well technically Quicksilver amps Dante's speed and slows time but I get what you mean.
 
The one with the high 6a feat is Sid with Abigail's power he can't use Abigail's full power because he has rejected his humanity it is something that is mentioned though the series.


Also the Sid said that Abigail once had the power to rival mundus not actually being on par with him
 
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