CinnabarManx421
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That too but it was cause Dio could timestop right after as well.
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Diavolo vs The Nameless One
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Except Cinnabar that Diavolo could still erase Dio's time stop even after the first time erase, and as stated above Dio could survive and outlast Diavolo unlike Caleb. This time nothing like that stops him from simply erasing again.
CinnabarManx421
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Caleb can outlast him too though. He can dodge any punch KC tries to throw at him and can timestop right after.
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He can't though? It's already been covered and stated multiple times that Diavolo sees him being damaged/Caleb dodging after time erase and proceeds to time erase again as soon as the current one ends. Let me spell this out for you.
Diavolo:
-Sees what Caleb does after, aka dodging and harming Diavolo, during the first Time Erase
-Sets himself into the appropriate position
-Time Erase ends
-Him, knowing the future of Caleb getting out of danger, erases again.
Caleb:
-Has to dodge AND use time-hax after Time Erase, while Diavolo just simply Time Erases. Let me quote you for this again because you seem to ignore it.
"King Crimson's signature ability, which allows it to "erase" a period of time up to ten seconds in length. During this period, Diavolo can see all actions (human or otherwise) that would have taken place from its activation to the end superimposed onto the world around him. Whilst everyone is unable to change their fate, Diavolo can freely move around as he pleases, often putting himself in a better position based on the aforementioned actions (though, it's important to note that Diavolo not only never interacts with others, but is also exempt from attacks as well). Once the time is up, everyone else finds themselves where they would've been at the end of their actions, but with no memory of the time Diavolo "erased".
"Rather than the process of the events, Epitaph shows the final result, and whatever it forecasts cannot be avoided - it can, however, be dealt with using the knowledge it grants. By the end of Part V, during a Time Erasure, Epitaph directly shows what will happen after it, in that location being King Crimson successfully perforating his opponent with his arm, after events that reverted him back to before his Time Erasure, his forecasts still showed him what was meant to happen after his Time Erasure."
Diavolo:
-Sees what Caleb does after, aka dodging and harming Diavolo, during the first Time Erase
-Sets himself into the appropriate position
-Time Erase ends
-Him, knowing the future of Caleb getting out of danger, erases again.
Caleb:
-Has to dodge AND use time-hax after Time Erase, while Diavolo just simply Time Erases. Let me quote you for this again because you seem to ignore it.
"King Crimson's signature ability, which allows it to "erase" a period of time up to ten seconds in length. During this period, Diavolo can see all actions (human or otherwise) that would have taken place from its activation to the end superimposed onto the world around him. Whilst everyone is unable to change their fate, Diavolo can freely move around as he pleases, often putting himself in a better position based on the aforementioned actions (though, it's important to note that Diavolo not only never interacts with others, but is also exempt from attacks as well). Once the time is up, everyone else finds themselves where they would've been at the end of their actions, but with no memory of the time Diavolo "erased".
"Rather than the process of the events, Epitaph shows the final result, and whatever it forecasts cannot be avoided - it can, however, be dealt with using the knowledge it grants. By the end of Part V, during a Time Erasure, Epitaph directly shows what will happen after it, in that location being King Crimson successfully perforating his opponent with his arm, after events that reverted him back to before his Time Erasure, his forecasts still showed him what was meant to happen after his Time Erasure."
CinnabarManx421
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-Has to dodge AND use time-hax after Time Erase, while Diavolo just simply Time Erases. Let me quote you for this again because you seem to ignore it.
IR means he doesn't have to think about dodging so Caleb only has to Time Stop. If there's even a 0.00001 gap between him exiting Time Erase and strting the next one, Caleb stops him.
IR means he doesn't have to think about dodging so Caleb only has to Time Stop. If there's even a 0.00001 gap between him exiting Time Erase and strting the next one, Caleb stops him.
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Um, what. He still has to dodge even if he has IR, it's not IR means he doesn't have to dodge. Regardless, Diavolo would do it first if there's a 0.00001 gap because he has exactly prepared to see Caleb damaging him in the future and promptly erases that directly after. No cooldown.
CinnabarManx421
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Wait, even when he knew what was going to happen after his Time Erasure, as this scan shows, he still wasn't able to get another Time Erase off before he got attacked by Giorno, who would be much slower than Caleb's Time Stop, so how can you say he'd be able to do it here?
CinnabarManx421
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Yes, it's passive. It even triggers sometimes when nothing is going to hit him.
Also, multiple people said in the last thread that overusing the Time Erasure makes him tired, so would he really spam it here? After all, all he'd see is himself getting hurt, he might not think it worth it to Erase again.
Also, multiple people said in the last thread that overusing the Time Erasure makes him tired, so would he really spam it here? After all, all he'd see is himself getting hurt, he might not think it worth it to Erase again.
CinnabarManx421
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I mean it's passive, sorry that was bad wording on my part. I just meant that one time it even happened when he wasn't being attacked.
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Nameless City for reasons above
ABoogieYesSir
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I'm changing my vote to Caleb FRA
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Caleb FRA.
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Oh, it's not beating Diavolo then. If something must trigger it like something attacking him or just an action it's going to take him longer than Diavolo to erase still.CinnabarManx421 said:
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Ok, what's with the FRAs?
I thought most of Caleb's vote/wincon were refuted?
I thought most of Caleb's vote/wincon were refuted?
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They were
But peoplewant Caleb to win that badly don't read the actual thread and once someone fras a train starts
But people
ABoogieYesSir
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I cancel my vote now.
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I read the thread and I disagreed with the counter points.
Edit: I checked Nameless' page and I do switch to Diavolo, because Nameless can't hurt KC, and has no way to get to Diavolo. All he can do is try to evade forever and hope to get lucky, whereas if Diavolo manages a single hit Nameless is done.
Edit: I checked Nameless' page and I do switch to Diavolo, because Nameless can't hurt KC, and has no way to get to Diavolo. All he can do is try to evade forever and hope to get lucky, whereas if Diavolo manages a single hit Nameless is done.
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You speak the truth!'Paul Frank said:
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ApiesDeathbyLazors
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I read the thread and thought Caleb had a decent chance. At this point I'm not voting for Diavolo not because I really like Caleb (I'd never even heard of dude before he showed up and fought the Thing), but because of a preestablishedPaul Frank said:
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Anyways, good game.
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Diavolo has a five point advantage and has been winning by at least three since Iap voted iirc, and it's been 24 hours since grace was noted.
Does everyone suppose we can add this now?
Does everyone suppose we can add this now?
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That's how them rules work. 3 point lead for 24 hours. Unless someone voted and it was only 2 point lead or any less lead. If not. It should be added
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When I voted the lead was reduced to 2 votes, so yeah, I'm not entirely sure how grace works though.
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Oh if that's the case then no. Here's the rules (to my understanding)
There has to be 7 votes for one of the character. The character has to have a 3 point advantage to enter grace. If they keep it for 24 hours. Grace is over and they win.
However if someone comes in and turned it into a 2 vote advantage. Grace period stops.
So if you refused it to 2 vote advantage. Then grace no longer was active and it came be added. Summary
Someone has to have a 3 point advantage for an entire 24 hours for it to be added
There has to be 7 votes for one of the character. The character has to have a 3 point advantage to enter grace. If they keep it for 24 hours. Grace is over and they win.
However if someone comes in and turned it into a 2 vote advantage. Grace period stops.
So if you refused it to 2 vote advantage. Then grace no longer was active and it came be added. Summary
Someone has to have a 3 point advantage for an entire 24 hours for it to be added
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Yeah, we must wait a little more now, before adding the results
CinnabarManx421
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Also, i dunno if it matters now, but Butter and Sans's votes for Caleb were never counted.
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I still am not sure. I just thought the hacks and reasons I read for Caleb made sense. So I went with him. Those had been my reasons. So technically, the vote should have counted at the time. As the vote had reason with it
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Sans didn't vote tho
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Yea. Just saying my vote technically should have counted. In case my vote changed or stopped a grace period from starting.
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False reasons as the hax makes little difference. In fact, most, if not all, Caleb voters voted for X hax from his wall. Which Time Erase just skips over and invalidates.
Its a shitty feeling when your incredibly haxed and potent wall of text becomes utterly useless, but you can't do anything but accept and move on.
Its a shitty feeling when your incredibly haxed and potent wall of text becomes utterly useless, but you can't do anything but accept and move on.
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My reasonings again were based on the above things said and things I saw. So it is a fair vote. That's why it should have counted. Wether you disagree or not.
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If a vote is invalidated, then it should be disregarded. Most of these votes for the nameless one should be disregarded
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