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The Concepts:
名字的力量 从他们出生的那一刻起,名字就是恶魔们最神圣的东西之一。它们不仅代表着权力,还代表着它们自身存在的概念,其基本原则甚至早于恶魔世界本身的创造。 它表现为形成他们的灵魂的一部分,以及他们黑暗的心。 The power of a name From the moment of their birth, names are one of the most sacred things to demons. They represent not only power, but also the concept of their own existence, the basic principles of which predate even the creation of the demon world itself. It manifests itself as part of the soul that forms them, and their dark hearts.
in DMC names are basically what gives demons their power.
as we can see here by this quote it pretty much says that demon names are the concept of their own existence, the basic principles predating the creation of the Demon World, since the demon world came before the universe, their concepts would exist outside it, so by this we confirm that their names Are Type 1 Concepts
Souls :
the interesting part of this statement is that it says that the names of demons are housed inside their soul this coupled with the fact that demons are capable of surviving without a name, in the manga vergil happens to meet some demons without names and they basically beg vergil to grant them one, so demons could infact survive without a name but not so much without a soul, if the soul is destroyed then the demon of said soul is also completely destroyed,further more in the same manga scans, arkham states the following "more than those forms they take, it is said that the name of a demon is closer to its true substance" "the true substance" is probably referring to their souls as their souls are concsidered their true forms this heavily implies that souls are superior to names because it says that a demons name is closer to its soul than its physical form, all of that coupled with the fact that names are stated to be part of their souls would make demon souls more abstract than their names
So, what does this mean? :
basically since souls are the true forms of demons as currently accepted all demons will get Abstract Existence(Type 1)
also Low tier & Mid Tier demon Regeneration will be changed from Low-godly to Mid-Godly, as they can regenerate from their soul which is more fundamental than their concepts
Note: that Low tier Regeneration would still have its previous limitation
further more for people with sparda inharitence, they would get Conceptual Manipulation(type 1) for being able to erase, restore and destroy such concepts, characters with the sparda bloodline would also gain resistance to said Conceptual Manipulation for being able to resist each others attacks which can destroy demon souls
edit : upon further discussion, the Demon Worlds energy would also get Conceptual Manipulation for being able to corrupt human souls into demon souls
and as a result, demons overall should have resistance to this Conceptual Manipulation
PoC & Canonicity :
as you can already tell if you're familiar with DMC, we're using PoC. now many of you will be asking 'isnt PoC not canon the main timeline?' see the thing is, we havent got any confirmation from CAPCOM regarding its canonicity, and so far we dont have sufficient reason to dismiss its canonicity infact we have proof that the opposite is true
here's what we know about PoC officially :
its licensed by capcom
the story and the lore stuff is FULLY supervised by capcom
its story doesnt really affect the main timeline in any way, meaning there are no contradictions in it currently
we got news articles from the company developing it that says its set between DMC 3 & 1 : https://dmc.nebulajoy.com/news_307.html
'The storyline of "Devil May Cry-Battle at the Pinnacle" is interspersed between "Devil May Cry 3" and "Devil May Cry 1".' its in chinese you gotta use your browsers translator to read it
we also got another article saying its an Orthodox sequel (sequel as in production sequel not chronological sequel) to the Devil may cry series.
https://dmc.nebulajoy.com/news_291.html
"Therefore, as the orthodox sequel to the "Devil May Cry" series, "Devil May Cry-Battle at the Pinnacle" once again carries forward these precious qualities"
again its in chinese you gotta translate
this is its official description in TapTap
it says the game is developed by both capcom & nebula joy
it calls PoC a genuine DMC game
it remains consistent with the overall story of DMC
all of the information above should prove that the game is indeed canon
Agree : mister, lightning, shizuka, gliver, tokiNoOuja, fixxed, crimson, milly, zencha, kepekly, elizhaa, LordGinSama, Lordgriffon
Disagree: efite (on the soul stuff)
Neutral: glass, pariah
名字的力量 从他们出生的那一刻起,名字就是恶魔们最神圣的东西之一。它们不仅代表着权力,还代表着它们自身存在的概念,其基本原则甚至早于恶魔世界本身的创造。 它表现为形成他们的灵魂的一部分,以及他们黑暗的心。 The power of a name From the moment of their birth, names are one of the most sacred things to demons. They represent not only power, but also the concept of their own existence, the basic principles of which predate even the creation of the demon world itself. It manifests itself as part of the soul that forms them, and their dark hearts.
in DMC names are basically what gives demons their power.
as we can see here by this quote it pretty much says that demon names are the concept of their own existence, the basic principles predating the creation of the Demon World, since the demon world came before the universe, their concepts would exist outside it, so by this we confirm that their names Are Type 1 Concepts
Souls :
the interesting part of this statement is that it says that the names of demons are housed inside their soul this coupled with the fact that demons are capable of surviving without a name, in the manga vergil happens to meet some demons without names and they basically beg vergil to grant them one, so demons could infact survive without a name but not so much without a soul, if the soul is destroyed then the demon of said soul is also completely destroyed,further more in the same manga scans, arkham states the following "more than those forms they take, it is said that the name of a demon is closer to its true substance" "the true substance" is probably referring to their souls as their souls are concsidered their true forms this heavily implies that souls are superior to names because it says that a demons name is closer to its soul than its physical form, all of that coupled with the fact that names are stated to be part of their souls would make demon souls more abstract than their names
So, what does this mean? :
basically since souls are the true forms of demons as currently accepted all demons will get Abstract Existence(Type 1)
also Low tier & Mid Tier demon Regeneration will be changed from Low-godly to Mid-Godly, as they can regenerate from their soul which is more fundamental than their concepts
Note: that Low tier Regeneration would still have its previous limitation
further more for people with sparda inharitence, they would get Conceptual Manipulation(type 1) for being able to erase, restore and destroy such concepts, characters with the sparda bloodline would also gain resistance to said Conceptual Manipulation for being able to resist each others attacks which can destroy demon souls
edit : upon further discussion, the Demon Worlds energy would also get Conceptual Manipulation for being able to corrupt human souls into demon souls
and as a result, demons overall should have resistance to this Conceptual Manipulation
PoC & Canonicity :
as you can already tell if you're familiar with DMC, we're using PoC. now many of you will be asking 'isnt PoC not canon the main timeline?' see the thing is, we havent got any confirmation from CAPCOM regarding its canonicity, and so far we dont have sufficient reason to dismiss its canonicity infact we have proof that the opposite is true
here's what we know about PoC officially :
its licensed by capcom
the story and the lore stuff is FULLY supervised by capcom
its story doesnt really affect the main timeline in any way, meaning there are no contradictions in it currently
we got news articles from the company developing it that says its set between DMC 3 & 1 : https://dmc.nebulajoy.com/news_307.html
'The storyline of "Devil May Cry-Battle at the Pinnacle" is interspersed between "Devil May Cry 3" and "Devil May Cry 1".' its in chinese you gotta use your browsers translator to read it
we also got another article saying its an Orthodox sequel (sequel as in production sequel not chronological sequel) to the Devil may cry series.
https://dmc.nebulajoy.com/news_291.html
"Therefore, as the orthodox sequel to the "Devil May Cry" series, "Devil May Cry-Battle at the Pinnacle" once again carries forward these precious qualities"
again its in chinese you gotta translate
this is its official description in TapTap
it says the game is developed by both capcom & nebula joy
it calls PoC a genuine DMC game
it remains consistent with the overall story of DMC
all of the information above should prove that the game is indeed canon
Agree : mister, lightning, shizuka, gliver, tokiNoOuja, fixxed, crimson, milly, zencha, kepekly, elizhaa, LordGinSama, Lordgriffon
Disagree: efite (on the soul stuff)
Neutral: glass, pariah
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