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Death Battle Season Nine Discussion Thread (2) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

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Tried one of my own MUs on the 'who wins?' chart:

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Oleggator said:
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and
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also kinda
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Gonna also give reasoning why all of em are stalemate:

Frisk vs John: John can't kill Frisk due to determination/reset, while Frisk can't harm John due to latter being Multi+.

EXE vs RED: RED has an immortality EXE can't bypass, but RED also can't do much against EXE

Omori vs Batter: Omori is uni and has immortalised but can't kill Batter became Player saves him.

If DB were making an episode then probably instead of tie they'll just pick John, EXE and Omori.
 
fandom_0ホルスファルコン将軍0 said:
They can negate Caliborn/Lord English’s narrative plot armor and high-godly regen, Frisk doing a “time, huh” through DETERMINATION ain’t gonna do shit against fate/plot manipulation that can negate other plot/fate manipulation.
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Plot and time manipulate are different things.

Negating plot shenanigans doesn't means negating time shenanigans cause they're different abilities.
 
Oleggator said:
Plot and time manipulate are different things.

Negating plot shenanigans doesn't means negating time shenanigans cause they're different abilities.
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Caliborn was “the Lord of Time” with complete control over all aspects of time and ANY timeline that didn’t lead to his creation or victory was predestined to fail and shrivel to nothing and this applied to the infinite timelines, stories, and multiverses of Paradox Space. John circumvented this by just, MAKING A NEW NARRATIVE outside LE’s influence which shouldn’t have been possible.
 
fandom_0ホルスファルコン将軍0 said:
Caliborn was “the Lord of Time” with complete control over all aspects of time and ANY timeline that didn’t lead to his creation or victory was predestined to fail and shrivel to nothing and this applied to the infinite timelines, stories, and multiverses of Paradox Space. John circumvented this by just, MAKING A NEW NARRATIVE outside LE’s influence which shouldn’t have been possible.
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Ok that's still a plot hax not time hax.
 
Oleggator said:
Ok that's still a plot hax not time hax.
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Why does the distinction matter? In Homestuck the Time Aspect and plot/narrative progression are intertwined if not one in the same. What’s stopping John Egbert from just saying “no” to Frisk’s reset and dooming them to an unavoidable death like LE does do any other Time player that tries to screw with his plans? John’s retcon powers are basically what wankers think GER is, but on CRACK
 
fandom_0ホルスファルコン将軍0 said:
Why does the distinction matter? In Homestuck the Time Aspect and plot/narrative progression are intertwined if not one in the same. What’s stopping John Egbert from just saying “no” to Frisk’s reset and dooming them to an unavoidable death like LE does do any other Time player that tries to screw with his plans? John’s retcon powers are basically what wankers think GER is, but on CRACK
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Boomstick: And that's why John can beat Goku.

(No wait, that meme works better with Spongebob...)
 
Jimmy.robinson.5099 said:
IDK, maybe I'm reading this the wrong way, but I feel that should be enough to net John the win.
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I mean, again plot/fate manipulation and time manipulation are opposite abilities.
fandom_0ホルスファルコン将軍0 said:
Why does the distinction matter? In Homestuck the Time Aspect and plot/narrative progression are intertwined if not one in the same. What’s stopping John Egbert from just saying “no” to Frisk’s reset and dooming them to an unavoidable death like LE does do any other Time player that tries to screw with his plans? John’s retcon powers are basically what wankers think GER is, but on CRACK
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I mean is there something that explicitly says narrative = time? Like, I recently started to read Homestuck because of this MU and all so I do know that its narrative goes through several time frames but I still don't think time = plot here.

I'll look about it more later in the series I guess.
 
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