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I just noticed that Vegito goes kaioken near the end of his kamehameha. Neat little addition.
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I mean yeah, a guy with a gun is a threat to a neighborhood that doesn't exactly mean he can level it to the ground, Bill is a threat but that doesn't mean he's multiversal.I believe Bill was said to be a threat to the multiverse, but that doesn't necessarily make him multiversal or beyond, as I understand he destroys universes one at a time.
The aliens that caused the odd shape of gravity falls were 7-11 dimensional beings, wankers try to upscale Bill above that.What's 11D Bill from again? Its a statement in one of the books isn't it?
Ye, the book mentions Pan-Dimensional Beings that occupy seven to eleven dimensions at once (though said dimensions are never stated to be infinitely superior blah blah). Alledgedly these aliens are stated to be terrified of Bill’s power, but I’ve never seen that claim actually sourced lolWhat's 11D Bill from again? Its a statement in one of the books isn't it?
Here's the full image if anyone cares.Ye, the book mentions Pan-Dimensional Beings that occupy seven to eleven dimensions at once (though said dimensions are never stated to be infinitely superior blah blah). Alledgedly these aliens are stated to be terrified of Bill’s power, but I’ve never seen that claim actually sourced lol
Yeah tbh I think you can make a good argument that they exist in 7-11 universes not that they’re 11th dimensional or whatever. Dimension could just mean universe in this context.Here's the full image if anyone cares.
His speed should also be accounted for. His really high end MFTL+ stuff only comes when he's in his extremely giant form, something he doesn't become often, and normally, the dude doesn't even exceed supersonic in speed.Ok so from what I’ve gathered Bill is like:
The Rift is Universal of course but he can’t use it in a fight.
- Town - Country level (Most reasonable estimate)
- Planet - Galaxy level via Size Manipulation (
Kind of generous since it requires you to take one of his claims 100% literally)- At most Multiverse level+ (wank / leeway)
Okay to throw him a bone his hax kinda makes up for his bad stats? Time Stopthat he never uses, Transmutation / Petrification, Sleep Manip, Temporal & Dimensional Travel, Physics / Law / Causality Manip, Matter Manip, Madness Manip, Low-Godly Regen, and Precognition that allows him to view infinite possibilities. He ain’t beating Discord but he probably could’ve won some of his MUs.
Then again Bill only has 3 Resistances
Yeah most of these hax Discord can either counter with his own or can straight up resist. Plus his ability to **** up logic makes his precognition pretty much useless. And tbh I’m kinda questionable on his Low-Godly regen. Cause he didn’t really regenerate a body he just created a body for him to possess. His best showings of regen is only like… regenning holes in his body. And his eye, which he claims takes awhile so his regen ain’t even that good.Ok so from what I’ve gathered Bill is like:
The Rift is Universal of course but he can’t use it in a fight.
- Town - Country level (Most reasonable estimate)
- Planet - Galaxy level via Size Manipulation (
Kind of generous since it requires you to take one of his claims 100% literally)- At most Multiverse level+ (wank / leeway)
Okay to throw him a bone his hax kinda makes up for his bad stats? Time Stopthat he never uses, Transmutation / Petrification, Sleep Manip, Temporal & Dimensional Travel, Physics / Law / Causality Manip, Matter Manip, Madness Manip, Low-Godly Regen, and Precognition that allows him to view infinite possibilities. He ain’t beating Discord but he probably could’ve won some of his MUs.
Then again Bill only has 3 Resistances
to be fair wouldn't the high end MFTL+ stuff still scale to reactions even at his lower levels?His speed should also be accounted for. His really high end MFTL+ stuff only comes when he's in his extremely giant form, something he doesn't become often, and normally, the dude doesn't even exceed supersonic in speed.
I think that would probably **** up his chances of winning by a lot.
I don't see why it would?to be fair wouldn't the high end MFTL+ stuff still scale to reactions even at his lower levels?
Yeah for an all powerful space dorito he sure has a lot of anti-feats lol. Meanwhile Discord travels through time so casually he doesn’t even realize he did it at first lolI don't see why it would?
He also gets vastly blitzed by things slower than MFTL+. People like Mabel and Dipper are able to catch him by surprise, he gets outrun by normal people. The mecha he fought is simply operated by just a bunch of regular humans
its moreso just a matter of perception. Sure he can only physically move at those speeds when giant due to the act of moving that fast while at that size, but to my knowledge that doesn't really affect perception / reaction speed on that front at least, they could reasonably scale that to him on that end I'd say.I don't see why it would?
He also gets vastly blitzed by things slower than MFTL+. People like Mabel and Dipper are able to catch him by surprise, he gets outrun by normal people. The mecha he fought is simply operated by just a bunch of regular humans
3D model - checkAnd I know Cole vs Alex going be hell to animate lol
String of five 3D eps at bottom, ouch lolFinal Results...
Minus the seriously boring season finale (in my opinion), it was honestly a great-ass season. Everything at 10 and above got moved around a LOT and still do (especially the top 6 because they're that damn good in my opinion). Seeing franchises like Warcraft, Akira, League of Legends, John Wick, actual mythology (as a big mythology and urban legend nerd as well), Black Clover, and slasher films in the same season felt like a breath of fresh air even when crammed with literally 3 Dragonball fights.
Heres hoping they don't half-ass Cole vs Alex next year
On the one hand, I really don't like how you put Gogeta vs Vegito at the bottom.Final Results...
Minus the seriously boring season finale (in my opinion), it was honestly a great-ass season. Everything at 10 and above got moved around a LOT and still do (especially the top 6 because they're that damn good in my opinion). Seeing franchises like Warcraft, Akira, League of Legends, John Wick, actual mythology (as a big mythology and urban legend nerd as well), Black Clover, and slasher films in the same season felt like a breath of fresh air even when crammed with literally 3 Dragonball fights.
Heres hoping they don't half-ass Cole vs Alex next year
Multiversal+ so no but it would be BS if they used themWatching Discord beat Bill is going to give me some weird personal satisfaction, it's gonna be great (swear if this is the ultimate jinx)
What's the highest possible interpretation of Discord possible? He can't beat the Pan-Dimensional BeingssusDimensions statement if they use it right
Source?
Controlling time is generally just Time/Space-Time ManipulationSo taking Bill's statement to fullest "controls time itself", would that be infinite, immeasurable or unusable for traditional speed measurements?
Just for the benefit of doubt.
So taking Bill's statement to fullest "controls time itself", would that be infinite, immeasurable or unusable for traditional speed measurements?
Just for the benefit of doubt.
What about Kratos VS Dante?Anyways, I assume everyone is going to be throwing their predictions / guesses for next season, so I'll throw mine out for now. Ignoring what we know is coming in Cole vs Alex and Bill vs Discord, I believe there's a high or near guaranteed chance of seeing:
Bowser vs Eggman: extremely popular legacy MU, Mario movie hype in the first quarter of the year, Sonic is making a huge comeback with the movies, Prime, and Frontiers/other games
Gojo vs Makima: extremely popular more recent MU with currently massively successful franchises, Chainsaw Man being an astounding new hit and JJK being literally Jump's #1 best performing franchise. This MU had a DBC and Makima's story is largely wrapped up as of now allowing all her abilities to be looked over, would likely do numbers in views.
Rengoku vs Mirio: massively popular modern shonen franchises. The last Demon Slayer episode performed crazy numbers and all My Hero episodes have performed pretty well iirc, this is a popular matchup, its very likely, though I have no stake / interest in it.
Master Chief vs Doom Slayer: major legacy MU, both characters have gotten more new material and Doom Slayer is basically a completely different character than he was during the initial episode. Has insane fight potential and is probably the fight from Season 1 that's in most desperate need of a modern remake. While the outcome is pretty obvious nowadays its still a popular fight and would likely pull numbers due to the relevance / popularity of both franchises.
Kira vs Adachi: Jojo MUs perform ******* insane numbers, and it feels a little early to pull JioJoker, so this is my bet on the next Jojo fight. Persona is massively popular right now and this is a pretty popular MU overall that even got discussed from the ballot (though how it was discussed on the ballot gives me the feeling that it MIGHT not be next season, so consider this to be my most "its likely but I'm probably wrong" prediction. I wouldn't be surprised if we get another Jojo MU instead, I don't really like Jojo much though so I couldn't tell you which one though).
At Least One Dragon Ball MU: Self-explanatory and basically guaranteed every season. Likely using either Frieza, Cell, Gohan, or Piccolo.
Palpatine vs Xehanort: No idea how I forgot about this one, but it had a very successful DBX, is a very popular MU using two huge franchises. Considering how fast Gogeta vs Vegito got turned into a real episode I could see this getting the same treatment. I will note that Obito vs Vader is also similarly likely.
There's also gonna be at least one comics MU but I really don't care enough to guess which Marvel and DC Heralds will show up this time.
Honestly it’s deserved. For many years people thought this stomp was the other way around ovoYeah, I get it.
In fact, feels like everyone here thinks and knows Bill is screwed.
I kinda feel bad for this Bill dunking lol
Imagine had Kratos vs Asura won, would they have done Kratos vs Dante during same season?What about Kratos VS Dante?
Given Kratos was on the ballot means he's unlikely appearing in s10What about Kratos VS Dante?
The problem with Bill that he relys on statements that are dubious and unclear to extent and general benefit of the doubt to get higher meanwhile discord stuff is more blatant in comparison and has more on his side to back himYeah, I get it.
In fact, feels like everyone here thinks and knows Bill is screwed.
I kinda feel bad for this Bill dunking lol
So they literally waste the chance of brick Kratos back when GoW Ragnarok was still the hot shit? ****.Imagine had Kratos vs Asura won, would they have done Kratos vs Dante during same season?
And if they do Kratos vs Dante after he lost poll, then people can go "hey, Kratos lost in polls but still got an episode why not have other poll characters get episodes too?"
So probably not happening in S10.
I feel like Bill is often pretty wanked tbhYeah, I get it.
In fact, feels like everyone here thinks and knows Bill is screwed.
I kinda feel bad for this Bill dunking lol
Gogeta also uses super saiyan blue evolved too, picked it up upon second viewing.I just noticed that Vegito goes kaioken near the end of his kamehameha. Neat little addition.
No he’s never been shown to be able to steal powers. Even then In MLP it’s implied you have to be strong enough to actually steal someone’s magic, Tirek couldn’t steal Chrysalis’s magic in Season 9 until she let him, so magic users should have a natural degree of resistance to getting their magic taken anyway.Did Bill ever display power siphoning/draining in the comics or mentioned I can't remember?, cause Discord does have a very noticeable weakness where he can be susceptible to power drain such as against Tirek or Grogar's Bell. Overall even having both at Uni+ seems like Discord holds advantages in outhaxxing and smarts, and is arguably faster.