Death Battle Season Nine Discussion Thread (2) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[JoshDoshMosh]

Alright since I’m not creative at all, here’s the Gene MU I’ve thought of:
Gene(God Hand) vs Kun Lan
Characters with the ability called gt he God Hand from games worked on by Shinji Mikami

 

[Chronicplane]

So is Sauron vs Lich King the closest fight this season?

 

[Tipper17]

wonder how outdated their deku vs asta will be in hindsight when both MHA and BC eventually ends

Outside Stats and some shit the fight wouldn't be too inaccurate
Asta no matter what

 

[Chronicplane]

I think people prefer Asta over Deku as a written character.

Like how Black Clover was once considered a mid series, but now it's like the epidome of current manga shonen and current manga MHA is kinda mid with the way Horikoshi's been writing his series lately.

 

[Kirbonic_Pikmin]

So is Sauron vs Lich King the closest fight this season?

Idk if anything will be closer than Wanda v Zatanna. That fight came down to literally mentality

 

[Chronicplane]

Idk if anything will be closer than Wanda v Zatanna. That fight came down to literally mentality

Well...aside from the x2 AP difference(miniscule, like literally Balrog vs TJ levels, certainly so that one can argue Lich King higher depending on how you interpret)Sauron had a less exploitable weakness and was a lot more expierenced but yeah you're right but still I think it can take the medal for being in the upper echelons of being the closest on DB's show.

 

[Spinoirr]

Asta is 18 and Deku is 16, Asta is older so he wins

 

[TMaakkonen]

Hunching Asta win, even if Deku will get buffs and they said they dont wanna wait for fights, I figure it's safe to assume they dont think new arcs will drastically change things.

Meanwhile, 4Chan ******* hates Sauron W atm.

 

[SuperStar]

Deku doesn't use magic, so he should win

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

anyone got any counter arguments to how asta wins because am 100% sure he stomp

unless asta’s strongest tiers are due to something he cannot do on the fly/need something in order for it to work/not part of regular him (see sun wukong Buddha thing for example) or it’s like the alucard argument. Cannot simultaneously


asta stomps if what I mentioned regarding his strongest tiers isn’t answered.

 

[NotoriouSoda]

Hunching Asta win, even if Deku will get buffs and they said they dont wanna wait for fights, I figure it's safe to assume they dont think new arcs will drastically change things.

Meanwhile, 4Chan ******* hates Sauron W atm.

Good

 

[SuperStar]

asta stomps

yes

 

[TMaakkonen]

So, Asta's thing is anti-magic? That's kinda awkward. Either you make him fight magic user which is making opponent be at disadvantage or you don't and his main thing isn't a factor.

 

[Chronicplane]

when/if Deku wins the hate is going to be so big even bigger than Trunks vs Silver and Ben 10 vs Hal Jordan combined.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

yes

does asta have any instant death hax or at least durability negation stuff. It’s unnecessary given he stat stomps but what dura negation hax does he have?

ignoring anti magic stuff which wouldn’t work but regardless he still stomps

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

4chan leaks, ngl if it is true i'd be stoked

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

4chan leaks, ngl if it is true i'd be stoked

man I wish we get fate soon

 

[Chronicplane]

So, Asta's thing is anti-magic? That's kinda awkward. Either you make him fight magic user which is making opponent be at disadvantage or you don't and his main thing isn't a factor.

DB has equalised the power/magic systems of different verses before based on there similarities and characteristics, they've done this before with Naruto and Bleach(Naruto vs Ichigo, Madara vs Aizen) because the evidence was there suggesting they work similarly enough that stuff like Madara's chakra would be able to interact with Aizen's Reiatsu.

Afaik you can't really do that with MHA and Black Clover, quirks are based on science, mutation and genetics for it's power system whereas Black Clovers power system is Mana, supernatural energies and phenonoma akin to something like Reiatsu. So with that in mind a lot of Asta's haxxess would be ineffective against a none supernatural power system like MHA's.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

man I wish we get fate soon

ngl, i feel like we are overdue for a gow episode

 

[Spinoirr]

4chan leaks, ngl if it is true i'd be stoked

If this is real then I was right, the final will have a video game character

 

[Chronicplane]

So if DB ends up placing MHA characters higher than VS battle community does do mods then update MHA profiles based in accordence to DB's research or...

edit; how powerful are Black Clover characters ooc?, I know nothing about them but I keep hearing the hype on there power levels and that they're apparently One Piece/maybe Naruto levels but I dunno? country?, continental?, moon? planet level?

 

[SuperStar]

4chan leaks, ngl if it is true i'd be stoked

R.I.P. Kratos

does asta have any instant death hax or at least durability negation stuff. It’s unnecessary given he stat stomps but what dura negation hax does he have?

ignoring anti magic stuff which wouldn’t work but regardless he still stomps

He does have dura nega, but only on things made out of magic. 90% of Asta's kit is useless against Deku if powers aren't equalized but if they are Deku has no chance of winning he can't do anything against Causality Manipulation, Enhanced Power Nullification, and it's also passive.

 

[SuperStar]

So if DB ends up placing MHA characters higher than VS battle community does do mods then update MHA profiles based in accordence to DB's research or...

No

 

[TMaakkonen]

That's an old leak from April, dunno if its valid.

S7 big leak was probably a fluke.

 

[Chronicplane]

R.I.P. Kratos

He does have dura nega, but only on things made out of magic. 90% of Asta's kit is useless against Deku if powers aren't equalized but if they are Deku has no chance of winning he can't do anything against Causality Manipulation, Enhanced Power Nullification, and it's also passive.

So Black Clover is like the literal bane of Fairy Tail's existance? lmao

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

R.I.P. Kratos

He does have dura nega, but only on things made out of magic. 90% of Asta's kit is useless against Deku if powers aren't equalized but if they are Deku has no chance of winning he can't do anything against Causality Manipulation, Enhanced Power Nullification, and it's also passive.

so Zero dura negation on non magic stuff


does he have any hax that is not dura negation? (It’s hax because it’s very op in a fight but it doesn’t ignore durability or anything)

ex: two opponents but one is normal and the other is flight (flight would be considered hax here)

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

I think people prefer Asta over Deku as a written character.

Like how Black Clover was once considered a mid series, but now it's like the epidome of current manga shonen and current manga MHA is kinda mid with the way Horikoshi's been writing his series lately.

Spoiler: Minor rant

I think it helps BC is set in a fantasy world which allows for more creative freedom, liberties and world building while still sticking to the shonen formula meanwhile MHA placed harsh narrative restrictions on itself:

*Being set on "Earth"
*Being essentially told in retrospect by the MC
*Most of the story taking place in Japan (for obvious reasons).

A good example of these restrictions, is the fact despite being in a "world" of superheroes we rarely hear or see anything about them outsite Japanese heroes until we get the no1 hero of the USA; Stars and Stripes (who gets kills off a couple chapters after her introduction lol!).

I dunno in theory a shonen fused with the superhero genre seems like a dream come true but MHA just feels like (at least recently) a generic shonen with a shallow layer of capeshit on top while BC doesn't do anything too thought provoking, the sheer scope of the fantasy, intrigue and wonder of both the world as well as characters combined with an eye-catching artsytle (manga) and immersive magical fight scenes is all you really need tbh.

Meanwhile, 4Chan ******* hates Sauron W atm.

4chan leaks, ngl if it is true i'd be stoked

The day people ignore and stop using 4Chan is the day the Earth, ever so slightly becomes a better place to live.

 

[Stefano4444]

Dante VS Kratos as season finale would be amazing (even if it sound unlikely).

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

So if DB ends up placing MHA characters higher than VS battle community does do mods then update MHA profiles based in accordence to DB's research or...

No.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

So if DB ends up placing MHA characters higher than VS battle community does do mods then update MHA profiles based in accordence to DB's research or...

No.

^This and VSBW is under zero obligation to update or change profiles based upon the results/research of a Death Battle and vice versa.

 

[Spinoirr]

Deku vs Asta comes out 10 days before my birthday (9 for the youtube version)

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

so Zero dura negation on non magic stuff


does he have any hax that is not dura negation? (It’s hax because it’s very op in a fight but it doesn’t ignore durability or anything)

ex: two opponents but one is normal and the other is flight (flight would be considered hax here)

anyone answer this

also how does asta’s causality manipulation work?

enhanced power nullification too

 

[TMaakkonen]

I mean, DB could theoretically do calcs that could be considered valid here, leading them to be used.

In theory.

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

4chan leaks, ngl if it is true i'd be stoked

If this was true I’d die

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

I mean, DB could theoretically do calcs that could be considered valid here, leading them to be used.

In theory.

The reverse is true too but sometimes it can lead to a debunk/downgrade instead. Planet level calc for Hiei (scaling) that was inflated, incorrect and dubious (a non-canon feat) go brrr! But hey at least Sasuke lost, so who cares amirite?

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

I got asta questions so can you black clover fans help me answer them please?

anyone answer this

also how does asta’s causality manipulation work?

enhanced power nullification too

so Zero dura negation on non magic stuff


does he have any hax that is not dura negation? (It’s hax because it’s very op in a fight but it doesn’t ignore durability or anything)

ex: two opponents but one is normal and the other is flight (flight would be considered hax here)

 

[Kontororou]

Popeye really heard of Saitama getting better feats and said BET.

 

[Quantu]

A Sauron Universal+ downgrade thread using info from Death Battle + Ultra's Q and A would be interesting

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

What is the only chance deku gonna win cause he’s out haxed and out stated

 

[Quantu]

Seen a lot of devil's advocates for Deku on reddit. Well:

Asta is way too fast, strong and durable. Early on in Black Clover during the Eye of the Midnight Sun arc, you already had light speed characters. Think of this as it were the Saiyan Saga early (Not 1:1 obviously). This was before Asta had any transformations.

He negged a country destroying Demon on his first Devil Union transformation. He scales above Salamander who has a Country level (Large Island minimum) statement of ocean vaping iirc. He beat 100% Half Manifested Lucifero who was a threat to "The World". With Demon slasher, he can use his own version of Yami's Dimension Slash called Infinite Slash Equinox which would one shot Deku.

Asta can fly, has precognition via ki sensing, can make his demon slayer sword skyscraper level sized so even if speed was equal he would not miss.

Asta wins Low Diff.