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I am not Kirb but as a huge fan of both series, this is an absolute piece of shit lmao, they literally have nothing in common outside of "Lol they fight the supernatural"
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Death Battle Season Nine Discussion Thread (2) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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Their lineages aren't even comparable, Belmonts are a family clan, while Hakurei is not, the Hakurei maidens are just chosen, they're not related, while Belmonts are
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Sorry, Josh
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A singular rage blast in the varsity of Kars, doesn't even need to directly hit just get close.
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It’s okay, I’m used to making bad matchups
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Me trying to find a single good Belmont matchup
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Simon vs Arthur is right here, bruhMe trying to find a single good Belmont matchup
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I know what I said
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Looking at this MU, Chaos has AP unless they buy Uni Kyogre but not Uni Emeralds. Otherwise even giving 50% boost to Kyogre (drizzle Water-type boost) and reducing Chaos' attack in half (Water-type resisting water) would still leave Chaos stronger.
Funny enough, natural move learn-set wise Kyogre learns Sheer Cold, the insta-KO move and Chaos 6 was weak to freezing in his fight. However, this didn't actually kill Chaos and he survived that fight, so Perfect Chaos should survive that too, right? Otherwise Kyogre has Calm Mind to boost stats and Scary Face to lower speed.
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Does Chaos have healing options? Because Kyogre has Rest and Aqua Ring as well.
Looking at this MU, Chaos has AP unless they buy Uni Kyogre but not Uni Emeralds. Otherwise even giving 50% boost to Kyogre (drizzle Water-type boost) and reducing Chaos' attack in half (Water-type resisting water) would still leave Chaos stronger.
Funny enough, natural move learn-set wise Kyogre learns Sheer Cold, the insta-KO move and Chaos 6 was weak to freezing in his fight. However, this didn't actually kill Chaos and he survived that fight, so Perfect Chaos should survive that too, right? Otherwise Kyogre has Calm Mind to boost stats and Scary Face to lower speed.
Now I just have the visual of Kyogre just going to sleep mid-fight with Chaos, which sounds like the most hilariously disrespectful thing in the world.
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Ah, Gen 8 learnset really ignored those 2 huh.
And yes, Chaos has dedicated healing option because Sonic Battle giving healing moves go brrr
Chaos Heal
Chaos Heal (カオスヒーリング, Kaosuhīringu?, lit. "Chaos Healing") is a move used primarily by Chaos in Sonic Battle. In the game, it serves as Chaos' Heal Skill. The user calls upon water spirits to heal damage. Chaos Heal restores HP at a quick rate, but only slowly restores the Ichikoro Gauge. Emerl...
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People are somehow equating this MU to nothing more than "Chaos flooded a city while Kyogre can flood a continent/the entire world ggs lol" which I think is extremely symptomatic of how bad Sonic scaling has become.
Looking at this MU, Chaos has AP unless they buy Uni Kyogre but not Uni Emeralds. Otherwise even giving 50% boost to Kyogre (drizzle Water-type boost) and reducing Chaos' attack in half (Water-type resisting water) would still leave Chaos stronger.
Funny enough, natural move learn-set wise Kyogre learns Sheer Cold, the insta-KO move and Chaos 6 was weak to freezing in his fight. However, this didn't actually kill Chaos and he survived that fight, so Perfect Chaos should survive that too, right? Otherwise Kyogre has Calm Mind to boost stats and Scary Face to lower speed.
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History is written by winners and Sonic has lost a lot in DB.
I think Chaos had statements of at least surface wiping, and lowballing Perfect Chaos to only 1 Emerald power would still be too much for Kyogre.
I think Chaos had statements of at least surface wiping, and lowballing Perfect Chaos to only 1 Emerald power would still be too much for Kyogre.
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Arthur vs Sir Daniel >>>>>
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I'm not sure why people are insistent on discluding Super Sonic scaling here. Even if you only scale Chaos to what Super Sonic was capable of at the time, it'd still be like, 4A I think.
And yeah, he used the energy of all 7 Chaos Emeralds lol, comparing him to just 1 of them should be pretty fair.
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Hmm if you are finicky with math Kyogre might squeeze AP win for lowballed Chaos?
DB's 1 Emerald AP was 400 Zettatons, while range is 60-900 Zettaton Kyogre in here. Using lolgameplaymechanics with 50% drizzle boost, reducing Chaos AP in half due to lolwatertype & hypothetical +6 max calm mind Kyogre is a 4x, meaning it's 50-200 Zettaton Chaos vs 360 Zettaton Kyogre at lowballed and at VSW stats 5400 Zettaton Kyogre with gameplay stuff.
They could buff Emerald feat, but if they use Pokemon gameplay Kyogre along with Meteor feat scaling, Kyogre can be made winner. If they don't use 5-B with multipliers Kyogre and instead use High 6-A, Kyogre can't squeeze a math win.
A lot of this math is very questionable but it's arguably a thing in main games canon.
EDIT: Ah yes, VSW Chaos is different story, math multiplier 5-B Kyogre can't outmuscle Low 4-C Chaos here. It really depends on what they buy for Kyogre.
DB's 1 Emerald AP was 400 Zettatons, while range is 60-900 Zettaton Kyogre in here. Using lolgameplaymechanics with 50% drizzle boost, reducing Chaos AP in half due to lolwatertype & hypothetical +6 max calm mind Kyogre is a 4x, meaning it's 50-200 Zettaton Chaos vs 360 Zettaton Kyogre at lowballed and at VSW stats 5400 Zettaton Kyogre with gameplay stuff.
They could buff Emerald feat, but if they use Pokemon gameplay Kyogre along with Meteor feat scaling, Kyogre can be made winner. If they don't use 5-B with multipliers Kyogre and instead use High 6-A, Kyogre can't squeeze a math win.
A lot of this math is very questionable but it's arguably a thing in main games canon.
EDIT: Ah yes, VSW Chaos is different story, math multiplier 5-B Kyogre can't outmuscle Low 4-C Chaos here. It really depends on what they buy for Kyogre.
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Do note that Ultimate Kars regen should be busted af. He has the powers and abilities of every lifeform on Earth so cloning and cellular level regen is on the cards. Meruem's attacks would have to do a complete vaporization. Also, he should definitely be able to copy nen and would physically scale above the Swan-ked Dio eye laser calc in base so at least 200X of that for Ultimate Lifeform.
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I think mountain is Meruems AP, so he should be able to clean up what's left of Kars if he hits him.
Also Swan seems to be in favor of Meruem apparently from what people said above, so that might help his odds a bit.
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Tbf folks side with Kyogre cause many don't buy Chaos scailing to Post Rush+06 Super Forms that got the Uni boost
Doesn't help that Chaos got his ass beat by Base Sonic latter on
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I don't trust any statement anyone makes in here saying they heard this and that from DB staff. Besides, things might change when they actually research for an official DB.
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L - 3 | W - 2/3?
Not a bad spot for HxH, certainly no series will ever be nearly as bad as Street Fighter.
Are there any matchups for Netero? ooc
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I mean some of us are now in the server with them but I understand what u mean so yeah
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Separating AP for offense and defense and not counting retroactive buffs would normally be based, but that should be done to Kyogre too then.
And frankly I dont think those who root for Kyogre here do that lol
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What animals or lifeforms have that regen?
Why would he scale from someone else AP via an attack
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Given Dio AP we had, let alone if Meruem will be that high Kars can be close to his AP to a point is aint mattering, not to talk of speed edge and dura neg stuff like consuming him cellulary
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I already mentioned this but out of all Azula's matchups, I was surprised Master Cyclonis from Storm Hawks got mentioned in the chat. Of course, Ben and Chad don't know who she is which is a given since Storm Hawks never had a big presence. And Cinder Fall is already a popular recommendation for Azula anyways.
Still, closest thing Storm Hawks had appeared on DEATH BATTLE. Wonder if Storm Hawks had any other noteworthy matchups?
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I used to have Anakin (Clone Wars) vs Arrow back when that was on air. Just felt they were similar.
I already mentioned this but out of Azula's matchups, I was surprised Master Cyclonis from Storm Hawks got mentioned in the chat. Of course, Ben and Chad don't know who she which is a given since Storm Hawks never had a big presence. And Cinder Fall is already a popular recommendation for Azula anyways.
Still, closest thing Storm Hawks had appeared on DEATH BATTLE. Wonder if Storm Hawks had any other noteworthy matchups?
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Gon very scary! one of the best and heartbreaking moments in HxH
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What about the time Chaos Emeralds can move tectonic plates at vast speeds?
Or the Death Egg explosion?
That cleavage feat at Metal Sonic vs Zero (Mega Man X) is really downplaying a lot of Sonic characters.
Well base Kyogre scale from base Groudon who is multi-continent.
And primal reversion Kyogre can scale from Deoxys and possibly scale from Mewtwo.
True question is: is it not lots of crazy feats performed by Chaos are pre-06 feats?
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You could make the argument since it’s literally part of JoJo’s story that vampires like Dio Brando are complete fodder and a literal source of food for the Pillar Men that they should scale way above Part 1 Dio.
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And a lot of high tier stand user scale from her or even above her.
Or you want to mention Tarkus.
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Shortly after DFB announces Sauron vs Lich King Blizzard drop this.
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Shortly after DFB announces Sauron vs Lich King Blizzard drop this.
World record holder for fastest DB curse, I think.
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Fair nuff
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Meant why would the beam eyes should be something scales physically to
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This is using normal scaling, to which with Chaos should get stats needed to win.
And if you use Uni Poke shenanigans, that is retroactive buff, which Perfect Chaos should also get.
I guess you can argue "Sonic stuff is vague and unusable, Poke feats are not", but Poke stuff has been really bad.
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