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Looking at this MU, Chaos has AP unless they buy Uni Kyogre but not Uni Emeralds. Otherwise even giving 50% boost to Kyogre (drizzle Water-type boost) and reducing Chaos' attack in half (Water-type resisting water) would still leave Chaos stronger.

Funny enough, natural move learn-set wise Kyogre learns Sheer Cold, the insta-KO move and Chaos 6 was weak to freezing in his fight. However, this didn't actually kill Chaos and he survived that fight, so Perfect Chaos should survive that too, right? Otherwise Kyogre has Calm Mind to boost stats and Scary Face to lower speed.
 
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Looking at this MU, Chaos has AP unless they buy Uni Kyogre but not Uni Emeralds. Otherwise even giving 50% boost to Kyogre (drizzle Water-type boost) and reducing Chaos' attack in half (Water-type resisting water) would still leave Chaos stronger.

Funny enough, natural move learn-set wise Kyogre learns Sheer Cold, the insta-KO move and Chaos 6 was weak to freezing in his fight. However, this didn't actually kill Chaos and he survived that fight, so Perfect Chaos should survive that too, right? Otherwise Kyogre has Calm Mind to boost stats and Scary Face to lower speed.
Does Chaos have healing options? Because Kyogre has Rest and Aqua Ring as well.

Now I just have the visual of Kyogre just going to sleep mid-fight with Chaos, which sounds like the most hilariously disrespectful thing in the world.
 
Does Chaos have healing options? Because Kyogre has Rest and Aqua Ring as well.

Now I just have the visual of Kyogre just going to sleep mid-fight with Chaos, which sounds like the most hilariously disrespectful thing in the world.
Ah, Gen 8 learnset really ignored those 2 huh.

And yes, Chaos has dedicated healing option because Sonic Battle giving healing moves go brrr

 
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Looking at this MU, Chaos has AP unless they buy Uni Kyogre but not Uni Emeralds. Otherwise even giving 50% boost to Kyogre (drizzle Water-type boost) and reducing Chaos' attack in half (Water-type resisting water) would still leave Chaos stronger.

Funny enough, natural move learn-set wise Kyogre learns Sheer Cold, the insta-KO move and Chaos 6 was weak to freezing in his fight. However, this didn't actually kill Chaos and he survived that fight, so Perfect Chaos should survive that too, right? Otherwise Kyogre has Calm Mind to boost stats and Scary Face to lower speed.
People are somehow equating this MU to nothing more than "Chaos flooded a city while Kyogre can flood a continent/the entire world ggs lol" which I think is extremely symptomatic of how bad Sonic scaling has become.
 
History is written by winners and Sonic has lost a lot in DB.

I think Chaos had statements of at least surface wiping, and lowballing Perfect Chaos to only 1 Emerald power would still be too much for Kyogre.
I'm not sure why people are insistent on discluding Super Sonic scaling here. Even if you only scale Chaos to what Super Sonic was capable of at the time, it'd still be like, 4A I think.

And yeah, he used the energy of all 7 Chaos Emeralds lol, comparing him to just 1 of them should be pretty fair.
 
Hmm if you are finicky with math Kyogre might squeeze AP win for lowballed Chaos?

DB's 1 Emerald AP was 400 Zettatons, while range is 60-900 Zettaton Kyogre in here. Using lolgameplaymechanics with 50% drizzle boost, reducing Chaos AP in half due to lolwatertype & hypothetical +6 max calm mind Kyogre is a 4x, meaning it's 50-200 Zettaton Chaos vs 360 Zettaton Kyogre at lowballed and at VSW stats 5400 Zettaton Kyogre with gameplay stuff.

They could buff Emerald feat, but if they use Pokemon gameplay Kyogre along with Meteor feat scaling, Kyogre can be made winner. If they don't use 5-B with multipliers Kyogre and instead use High 6-A, Kyogre can't squeeze a math win.

A lot of this math is very questionable but it's arguably a thing in main games canon.

EDIT: Ah yes, VSW Chaos is different story, math multiplier 5-B Kyogre can't outmuscle Low 4-C Chaos here. It really depends on what they buy for Kyogre.
 
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Do note that Ultimate Kars regen should be busted af. He has the powers and abilities of every lifeform on Earth so cloning and cellular level regen is on the cards. Meruem's attacks would have to do a complete vaporization. Also, he should definitely be able to copy nen and would physically scale above the Swan-ked Dio eye laser calc in base so at least 200X of that for Ultimate Lifeform.
 
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Do note that Ultimate Kars regen should be busted af. He has the powers and abilities of every lifeform on Earth so cloning and cellular level regen is on the cards. Meruem's attacks would have to do a complete vaporization. Also, he should definitely be able to copy nen and would physically scale above the Swan-ked Dio eye laser calc in base so at least 200X of that for Ultimate Lifeform.
I think mountain is Meruems AP, so he should be able to clean up what's left of Kars if he hits him.
Also Swan seems to be in favor of Meruem apparently from what people said above, so that might help his odds a bit.
 
History is written by winners and Sonic has lost a lot in DB.

I think Chaos had statements of at least surface wiping, and lowballing Perfect Chaos to only 1 Emerald power would still be too much for Kyogre.
Tbf folks side with Kyogre cause many don't buy Chaos scailing to Post Rush+06 Super Forms that got the Uni boost
Doesn't help that Chaos got his ass beat by Base Sonic latter on
 
I think mountain is Meruems AP, so he should be able to clean up what's left of Kars if he hits him.
Also Swan seems to be in favor of Meruem apparently from what people said above, so that might help his odds a bit.
I don't trust any statement anyone makes in here saying they heard this and that from DB staff. Besides, things might change when they actually research for an official DB.
 
Tbf folks side with Kyogre cause many don't buy Chaos scailing to Post Rush+06 Super Forms that got the Uni boost
Doesn't help that Chaos got his ass beat by Base Sonic latter on
Separating AP for offense and defense and not counting retroactive buffs would normally be based, but that should be done to Kyogre too then.

And frankly I dont think those who root for Kyogre here do that lol
 
Do note that Ultimate Kars regen should be busted af. He has the powers and abilities of every lifeform on Earth so cloning and cellular level regen is on the cards.
What animals or lifeforms have that regen?
Meruem's attacks would have to do a complete vaporization. Also, he should definitely be able to copy nen and would physically scale above the Swan-ked Dio eye laser calc in base so at least 200X of that for Ultimate Lifeform.
Why would he scale from someone else AP via an attack
 
I think mountain is Meruems AP, so he should be able to clean up what's left of Kars if he hits him.
Also Swan seems to be in favor of Meruem apparently from what people said above, so that might help his odds a bit.
Given Dio AP we had, let alone if Meruem will be that high Kars can be close to his AP to a point is aint mattering, not to talk of speed edge and dura neg stuff like consuming him cellulary
 
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I already mentioned this but out of all Azula's matchups, I was surprised Master Cyclonis from Storm Hawks got mentioned in the chat. Of course, Ben and Chad don't know who she is which is a given since Storm Hawks never had a big presence. And Cinder Fall is already a popular recommendation for Azula anyways.

Still, closest thing Storm Hawks had appeared on DEATH BATTLE. Wonder if Storm Hawks had any other noteworthy matchups?
 
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I already mentioned this but out of Azula's matchups, I was surprised Master Cyclonis from Storm Hawks got mentioned in the chat. Of course, Ben and Chad don't know who she which is a given since Storm Hawks never had a big presence. And Cinder Fall is already a popular recommendation for Azula anyways.

Still, closest thing Storm Hawks had appeared on DEATH BATTLE. Wonder if Storm Hawks had any other noteworthy matchups?
I used to have Anakin (Clone Wars) vs Arrow back when that was on air. Just felt they were similar.
 
It’s okay, I’m used to making bad matchups
Except Marie vs Weather Report, I’m shilling this to the end
Friendship ends with Kusumi-no-Okami - Nami vs Weather Report is the matchup to go now

People are somehow equating this MU to nothing more than "Chaos flooded a city while Kyogre can flood a continent/the entire world ggs lol" which I think is extremely symptomatic of how bad Sonic scaling has become.
What about the time Chaos Emeralds can move tectonic plates at vast speeds?
Or the Death Egg explosion?
That cleavage feat at Metal Sonic vs Zero (Mega Man X) is really downplaying a lot of Sonic characters.

Separating AP for offense and defense and not counting retroactive buffs would normally be based, but that should be done to Kyogre too then.

And frankly I dont think those who root for Kyogre here do that lol
Well base Kyogre scale from base Groudon who is multi-continent.
And primal reversion Kyogre can scale from Deoxys and possibly scale from Mewtwo.

True question is: is it not lots of crazy feats performed by Chaos are pre-06 feats?
 
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You could make the argument since it’s literally part of JoJo’s story that vampires like Dio Brando are complete fodder and a literal source of food for the Pillar Men that they should scale way above Part 1 Dio.
Technically Jolyne is the fodder of the first 6 parts of JJBA.

And a lot of high tier stand user scale from her or even above her.

Or you want to mention Tarkus.
 
Well base Kyogre scale from base Groudon who is multi-continent.
And primal reversion Kyogre can scale from Deoxys and possibly scale from Mewtwo.
This is using normal scaling, to which with Chaos should get stats needed to win.

And if you use Uni Poke shenanigans, that is retroactive buff, which Perfect Chaos should also get.

I guess you can argue "Sonic stuff is vague and unusable, Poke feats are not", but Poke stuff has been really bad.
 
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