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Thank you. I really hope this can be my episode too ( :
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Death Battle Season Nine Discussion Thread (2) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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My brief visit to other threads on here has pretty easily convinced me to stay in this little bubble of Death Battle discussion here lmao.
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I hope that you and your friends will have a good time.
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Also I wouldn't even quite say this, the Trunks side definitely slid some downplay for Silver in from time to time, they were just less obvious about it. Them throwing into question 5D Archie Sonic and saying it's not "completely concrete" while trying to push 5D DBH (using a single line from two different continuities in Xenoverse & Heroes and a single line from promotional material as their evidence btw, which is incredibly shaky, especially when compared to Archie's reasoning) claiming they're both levels of not "completely concrete" is a solid example of it.
A core tenant of this debate is the dimensional scaling, and if you find one side's reasoning for scaling dimensionally to be poor, and think a lot of the reason for your character's victory depends on that statistical difference, not buying that stat is a relatively important talking point. One of their big reasons for Silver countering the Time Labyrinth or overpowering Trunks is DUE to the statistical difference in the first place.
I'm fine with people not being sold on Team Silver's arguments but I don't think they're as bad as people are making it out to be, a lot of what they point out is pretty solid or very similar to the discussions we've been having up to this point. They also break down the abilities and resistances, but just don't do it with a fancy graph like Team Trunks did.
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All we have to go off so far for official DB research opinions on Heroes cosmology, AP, and speed is this, btw:
"So the short answer is it might be closer, but Goku Black would proooooobably still lose. Even in Xenoverse/Heroes the most you can really argue for is multiversal+, with maybe 1 dimension on top of that with some levity(and it honestly takes waaaay more steps to get to that point than DC). DC’s multiverse is much larger in comparison and frankly Zoom would still be stronger if you decide to take dimensional tiering seriously, because of the bleed. Not to mention Zoom has far more “incalculable” speed feats than you can possibly argue for heroes(which has maybe one or two feats, which are contested).
This doesn’t get into the fact that technically Xenoverse, Online and Heroes are all separate continuities. As well as the fact many of the Heroes games/media like the victory mission, ultimate mission X, world mission, the various anime/manga ect are also essentially separate adaptations with similar concepts.There really isn’t some grand master plan that ties this stuff together. It's all fanservice and most of the attempts to connect it all into something cohesive is mainly just fan theory."
From this blog, btw:
ulltraguy.blogspot.com
Generally seems like they 100% buy Multi+, seem to buy Immeasurable but acknowledge its contested, but find 5D to be very generous, especially when compared to something more straightforward like DC.
Since we already have confirmation they buy 5D Archie off of the Flash & Sonic QnA, it just depends on if after further research they'll find those extra steps to be reasonable or not. Hell, he even linked a 5D Debunk blog/imgur link in the blog itself, at least for the Beat World 5D to Outerversal arguments lol.
"So the short answer is it might be closer, but Goku Black would proooooobably still lose. Even in Xenoverse/Heroes the most you can really argue for is multiversal+, with maybe 1 dimension on top of that with some levity(and it honestly takes waaaay more steps to get to that point than DC). DC’s multiverse is much larger in comparison and frankly Zoom would still be stronger if you decide to take dimensional tiering seriously, because of the bleed. Not to mention Zoom has far more “incalculable” speed feats than you can possibly argue for heroes(which has maybe one or two feats, which are contested).
This doesn’t get into the fact that technically Xenoverse, Online and Heroes are all separate continuities. As well as the fact many of the Heroes games/media like the victory mission, ultimate mission X, world mission, the various anime/manga ect are also essentially separate adaptations with similar concepts.There really isn’t some grand master plan that ties this stuff together. It's all fanservice and most of the attempts to connect it all into something cohesive is mainly just fan theory."
From this blog, btw:
Goku Black vs Reverse Flash Q and A
"The following is the opinion of only those involved in its writing. It is not officially endorsed by Rooster Teeth Productions or neces...
ulltraguy.blogspot.com
Generally seems like they 100% buy Multi+, seem to buy Immeasurable but acknowledge its contested, but find 5D to be very generous, especially when compared to something more straightforward like DC.
Since we already have confirmation they buy 5D Archie off of the Flash & Sonic QnA, it just depends on if after further research they'll find those extra steps to be reasonable or not. Hell, he even linked a 5D Debunk blog/imgur link in the blog itself, at least for the Beat World 5D to Outerversal arguments lol.
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Is anyone guessing Xeno Trunk win by the speculations on the song picks actually?
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Me.
Now, I start to like Enrico Pucci VS Titus I (Ruina: Fairy Tale of the Forgotten Ruins) because the (final) boss battle against Titus I's Overlord form includes time accelerated and space warped, and therefore it perfectly suits to Made In Heaven
It seems that the better matchup sometimes include a character from an obscure verse.
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Too bad DB cant do obscure characters like that, unless they had some form of relevance before
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The remake of Ruina: Fairy Tale of the Forgotten Ruins announced this year may be helpful to gain popularity, but VS Battles Wiki should have a profile regarding this verse first.
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Even if it gains popularity will be enough to have that match get views
Plus its also the issue Pucci may have other opponents, would DB think they are better or not then the Ruina verse character
Plus its also the issue Pucci may have other opponents, would DB think they are better or not then the Ruina verse character
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Well this is for a greater audience.
Unless the obscure verse has a big sponsor behind (like Digital Extremes now held by Leyou - which is in turn held by Tencent - sponsors for Excalibur vs Raiden).
Or the fight be very closely connected like Magneto vs Tetsuo Shima.
VSBW having a profile or not has little I'm on the schedule for Death Battle. But other verse being already more popular does have a Greater chance of having other characters like Pucci being pit against.
We have a lot of Korean manhwa and Chinese manhua... and we so far has only one classic Chinese literature character - Sun Wukong - and he is pit against Hercules (a Greek mythology and legend character).
Enrico Pucci is more likely pit against Justin Law or Kirei Kotomine. Or gets stomped by Takuto Maruki or Tatsuya Suou or Jedah Dohma, all such matchups being boring stomps and all of which havign better opponents. (Oh even Justin Law arguably has other options.)
Meanwhile Domenico Pucci, aka Weather Report... The table below sums it up well. (Credits for Haruhi 89321 @ DBW)
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These aren't even his most popular MUs lmao, where the **** do you get them? Pucci's more likely fighting Amalthus or Shiro, ****, even Sakuya is more likely than the MUs you listed
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Feist sealing AShadow's Chaos Control but a single Chaos Emerald restoring it was a neat thing I forgot.
Despite rooting for ASilver, I have hard time imagine a satisfying ASilver kill over XTrunks, besides stealing the Keysword to use it against him. A simple TK crush just feels... wrong.
Despite rooting for ASilver, I have hard time imagine a satisfying ASilver kill over XTrunks, besides stealing the Keysword to use it against him. A simple TK crush just feels... wrong.
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You'll get your bog-standard disintegration death and you will like it.
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I heard that Pucci has an opponent from Persona.
That monkey is well-known enough. But I do believe that VS Battles Wiki profile allows them spend less time doing research.
For PucciTitus, the animation which Pucci finds the suitable place to transform his Stand into Made In Heaven in Titus's city, kills Titus, only for Titus revealing his Overlord form to counter Made In Heaven (In Overlord form, Titus is stated to be above the time-space and his time acceleration does not affect his fighting capability) and deliver final blow to Pucci is good.
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I think you could make a TK crush cool if you just stage it well. Have them both be clashing, screaming as they're pushed to their absolute limits, but Silver just pushes himself a little further, overpowering Trunks and finishing him for good. Maybe have a line before the clash for Silver about there being too much on the line for him to fail.
I still think utilizing the Keysword against him is probably the most immediately satisfying kill method though, yeah. It's probably best to stray away from doing so though, since it'd just raise questions of "why didn't he turn it intangible beforehand" and such.
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I imagine it being something like this:
Trunks: "IT'S... NO USE!"
Silver: "I... AM SICK... OF THIS PHRASE!"
Insert Trunks getting crushed here
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That's what I'm thinking, yeah! Ultimately if you're going to use It's No Use here, don't have Silver be the one saying it. Either have Trunks say it before landing the final blow and killing Silver, which turns Silver's most infamous phrase against him, or have Trunks say it before Silver triumphantly overpowers him and wins, refuting the idea of there being no use in his efforts.
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Oh yeah, if they have Trunks say "it's no use", they will uno-reverse that and guarantee Silver W lol
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I dunno, him saying it's no use feels inevitable here, to play into the explicit joke Archie itself made about Silver being sick of the phrase. Not sure if it guarantees the W, but I'd love for the W with that context especially.
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Anyways, not much point in me picking apart the issues I have with the G1 blog by now, especially with the episode so close by now, so I'm gonna head to bed. I'll see you all again once I've seen the episode, unless I pop in to see what you all were saying before the ep dropped.
Get ready for a huge essay. Either one of complete copium, or of extreme happiness, or somewhere in between if the fight is just mid but everything else is good.
Get ready for a huge essay. Either one of complete copium, or of extreme happiness, or somewhere in between if the fight is just mid but everything else is good.
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Basically as Super Saiyan 3 XTrunks delivers the first killing blow to ASilver, ASilver may say "I am sick of this phrase" and go Super, then have XTrunks go Super Saiyan God and fight proceeds.
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You know I am rooting for Silver, but if Trunks wins then my only expectation would be for them to treat Silver with respect and not make him look so outclassed in this fight if they're going to have similar stats.
That and considering these two are Multiversal+ time travelers, I expect some cosmic destruction of sorts (like imagine them destroying the timelines they appear in thanks to Silver's ring)
That and considering these two are Multiversal+ time travelers, I expect some cosmic destruction of sorts (like imagine them destroying the timelines they appear in thanks to Silver's ring)
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Add JoFoe BR to it.
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Death Battle Predictions: Xeno Trunks VS Archie Silver
“ The future depends on what we do in the present.” -Mahatma Gandhi Trunks Briefs , the half-human, half-Saiyan Time Patroller from Drago...g1dbteamblogs.blogspot.com
Just got back from reading the blog, holy faqcking shawt is this battle extremely close to end all close matches. Man has this got me even more excited for the vid to come out. May need to re-read over pro-Silvers side of the arguments but coming back I'm inclined to say it reinforces my perspective, one of the few things that took me back by surprise was the "This stamina feat is so dumb holy shit" feat...most of the counters and resistances I expected but man talk about Xeno/Heroes being a different breed to the canon continuity
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I'm going with Trunks by default purely because idc about Silver at all.
Silver more like bootleg trunks amirite fellas?
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in < 5 hrs we shall know.
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Yeah, only Sonic has an Ultra form
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When does the episode come out on roosterteeth again?
I'm gonna have to make another account to get myself a free trial cause man I wanna WATCH it
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In 4 hours
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The gates of hell will be opened for sure
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Well Silver’s screwed, hope the next MU is actually hype.
Imagine if it’s Kyle vs Simon
Imagine if it’s Kyle vs Simon
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I'm rooting for Kyle
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well looks like i'm going to miss out on the fun today most likely-so here are my final thoughts:
So I think Silver takes the W, but if Trunks win I won't be surprised
Next time wild guesses:
Whitebeard vs Escanor
Sans vs Ness
Sauron vs Litch/Voldemort
Simon vs Kyle
Finn and Jake vs Mordecai and Rigby
Remember guys, Korra vs Storm was teased the same way
So I think Silver takes the W, but if Trunks win I won't be surprised
Next time wild guesses:
Whitebeard vs Escanor
Sans vs Ness
Sauron vs Litch
Simon vs Kyle
Finn and Jake vs Mordecai and Rigby
Remember guys, Korra vs Storm was teased the same way
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Reiterating for the final bets. As others have said I wouldn't be surprised with either result, just don't botch the episode DB and give us an 8/10 minimum
Rooting Silver and Betting Silver.
Rooting Silver and Betting Silver.
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