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Death Battle Season Nine Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

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Loh67867 said:
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So y'all know how Joycap made a sheet of Xeno MUs that basically looked like this? Well, i decided to start doing something like that but with Archie Sonic MUs, right now this is what i have.
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Who can Julie-Su fight and lose against? I'm in a "I hate Ken Penders" mood...
 
Jimmy.robinson.5099 said:
Who can Julie-Su fight and lose against? I'm in a "I hate Ken Penders" mood...
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Idk, also Julie-Su isn't that bad imho, she may be created by Penders but she's not the worst thing that happened to Archie Sonic and she became really good after Flynn became the writer of the comics
And honestly i can say the same about alot of characters Penders created like Scourge (Tho he technically didn't create Scourge, Flynn did)
 
Bill vs Discord power gap (VSBW edition)

Power:
  • Discord scales to 1.45 KiloFOE (casually beats opponents this strong in fact), and likely scales to 2x Universal
  • An enlarged Bill can hit with 1.08 Kilotons and potentially has energy blasts equivalent to 9.97 Teratons if you take a certain statement seriously.
    • Bill can induce Universal destruction (3-A) via chain reaction, but according to his profile this process takes several days so he’d be hard pressed to use this in a fight. If Bill somehow managed to stall the fight for days, he’d be able to kill low-end Discord (and himself?), but high-end Discord would just tank it.
Speed:
  • Bill can move at speeds of 222.879 m/s, nearly 500 mph
  • Discord scales to 22395.883 c
 
fandom_0ホルスファルコン将軍0 said:
On an unrelated note, do Platonic Ideals and String Theory still make a verse High 1-A like it used to? I ask because I plan on creating a setting that somewhat takes versus debating into account but I need to make the cosmology first.
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Nah, pretty sure platonic ideals stopped being 1-A a while ago, and I don't remember any part of string theory that'd ever get to High 1-A. H1-C at best, but only if you also have brane theory alongside it (otherwise the strings are way too small to ever qualify for tier 1).
 
FujiwaraYesMokou said:
Nah, pretty sure platonic ideals stopped being 1-A a while ago, and I don't remember any part of string theory that'd ever get to High 1-A. H1-C at best, but only if you also have brane theory alongside it (otherwise the strings are way too small to ever qualify for tier 1).
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What happened to 1-A Platonic Ideals? Isn't Persona's Willpower based on that?
 
No, I think it's moreso based on Jungian Psychology (stuff like the collective unconscious) and whatever the hell is going on in SMT. IIRC 1-A Platonic Ideals got axed because they're still ultimately bound to time and space, though don't quote me on that (the downgrades were before my time on this wiki).
 
FujiwaraYesMokou said:
No, I think it's moreso based on Jungian Psychology (stuff like the collective unconscious) and whatever the hell is going on in SMT. IIRC 1-A Platonic Ideals got axed because they're still ultimately bound to time and space, though don't quote me on that (the downgrades were before my time on this wiki).
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That's bullshit, Christian Platonism and moral realists hold God as the embodiment of the "Idea of Good" and obviously He existed before the universe was created.
 
Since Bill vs Discord prolly aint happening soon.

Discord being powered by chaos and weirdness is advantage for him, but wasnt Pinkie Pie threatening to kill Discord when she temporarily got access to his realm when she started to act chaotic? What stops Bill from doing this specifically?
 
TMaakkonen said:
Since Bill vs Discord prolly aint happening soon.

Discord being powered by chaos and weirdness is advantage for him, but wasnt Pinkie Pie threatening to kill Discord when she temporarily got access to his realm when she started to act chaotic? What stops Bill from doing this specifically?
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Him not knowing Discord’s realm exists, I guess
 
Loh67867 said:
Idk, also Julie-Su isn't that bad imho, she may be created by Penders but she's not the worst thing that happened to Archie Sonic and she became really good after Flynn became the writer of the comics
And honestly i can say the same about alot of characters Penders created like Scourge (Tho he technically didn't create Scourge, Flynn did)
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TMaakkonen said:
Ian salvaged a lot of Penders' ideas.
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Tell that to Penders: he hates Flynn's work so much (despite admitting he's never READ Flynn's work), he keeps insisting that Flynn's run doesn't actually exist in the Archie continuity. Like, legit, when somebody asked Penders what he would do if he was allowed to write Sonic again, he said he would ignore everything Flynn did and pick up where he left off. That's... not how it works.
 
Jimmy.robinson.5099 said:
Tell that to Penders: he hates Flynn's work so much (despite admitting he's never READ Flynn's work), he keeps insisting that Flynn's run doesn't actually exist in the Archie continuity. Like, legit, when somebody asked Penders what he would do if he was allowed to write Sonic again, he said he would ignore everything Flynn did and pick up where he left off. That's... not how it works.
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If he wants to ignore Flynn's contribution to Archie, then why did he use Flynn's design and name for Scourge when Penders tried to make a new comic about him? My god, Penders is so ******* stupid
 
TMaakkonen said:
Since Bill vs Discord prolly aint happening soon.

Discord being powered by chaos and weirdness is advantage for him, but wasnt Pinkie Pie threatening to kill Discord when she temporarily got access to his realm when she started to act chaotic? What stops Bill from doing this specifically?
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1. As others have said Bill doesn’t know that Discord’s realm exists.
2. Discord wasn’t dying because Pinkie was taking over his realm he was just losing control of his powers.
3. Pinkie was only able to do that because Discord wasn’t there, if Discord was actively fighting Bill and they ended up there Bill wouldn’t be able to wrestle control.
4. Even if Bill did manage to start taking away control Discord can do the same thing he did with Pinkie to take control back just by out-chaosing Bill.

Also Bill just got hit by another oof downgrade so there’s that
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Bill Cipher

Bill Cipher is a triangular dream demon who exists in the Mind/Dreamscape and the true antagonist of Gravity Falls, secretly being responsible for many of the most important events of and leading up to the show. Years ago, Bill made contact with Stanford "Ford" Pines, posing as a muse who...
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CinnabarManx421 said:
1. As others have said Bill doesn’t know that Discord’s realm exists.
2. Discord wasn’t dying because Pinkie was taking over his realm he was just losing control of his powers.
3. Pinkie was only able to do that because Discord wasn’t there, if Discord was actively fighting Bill and they ended up there Bill wouldn’t be able to wrestle control.
4. Even if Bill did manage to start taking away control Discord can do the same thing he did with Pinkie to take control back just by out-chaosing Bill.

Also Bill just got hit by another oof downgrade so there’s that
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Bill Cipher

Bill Cipher is a triangular dream demon who exists in the Mind/Dreamscape and the true antagonist of Gravity Falls, secretly being responsible for many of the most important events of and leading up to the show. Years ago, Bill made contact with Stanford "Ford" Pines, posing as a muse who...
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Damn Bill been through alot
 
Jimmy.robinson.5099 said:
Tell that to Penders: he hates Flynn's work so much (despite admitting he's never READ Flynn's work), he keeps insisting that Flynn's run doesn't actually exist in the Archie continuity. Like, legit, when somebody asked Penders what he would do if he was allowed to write Sonic again, he said he would ignore everything Flynn did and pick up where he left off. That's... not how it works.
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From what I can gather, Penders was once not terrible, and then went coocoo for coco puffs, yes?
 
Loh67867 said:
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So y'all know how Joycap made a sheet of Xeno MUs that basically looked like this? Well, i decided to start doing something like that but with Archie Sonic MUs, right now this is what i have.
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Thanks for the shoutout :D

Might as well dump Xeno vs Sonic MUs before anything... or any Sonic MUs I have lying around:









See also (but I don't have Thumbnails for):


Find Archie versions if needed (I just wrote all this out only to realise I interpreted Archie Sonic as Sonic in general, and now I refuse to delete this lol).

EDIT: Don't ask why the bullet points were doing that
 
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