Death Battle Season Nine Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Imagine if Simon vs Kyle pulls a DarkseidvThanos and has the characters throw cars and buildings at each other for a quarter of the fight

 

[Seventy96]

Simon vs Kyle has finale material written all over for it especially if it's given the proper budget and such

Unfortunetely, there is no audiance for this episode. Casuals aren't hyped for this MU. Casuals better know All Might, Guy, Sephiroph and Vergil than Kyle or Simon

 

[Loh67867]

Unfortunetely, there is no audiance for this episode. Casuals aren't hyped for this MU. Casuals better know All Might, Guy, Sephiroph and Vergil than Kyle or Simon

I'm pretty sure casuals at least heard of Simon and they at least know the concept of GL

 

[BlackDarkness679]

I heard of Green Goblin vs Kazuya while back.

Whoever thought of that, was on some real drugs to think it out

 

[BlackDarkness679]

So Kazuya against Green Goblin is a lesser stomp than say Kazuya vs Wesker? You know, Kazuya is pit against Iori Yagami.

If they put Wesker against him, im gonna be rant tf out of that, Iori is a better alternative and fairer, also they have yet to bring a kof rep

 

[Loh67867]

If they put Wesker against him, im gonna be rant tf out of that, Iori is a better alternative and fairer, also they have yet to bring a kof rep

Be careful, Tipper said the same about Hulk vs Broly and i said the same about Black vs RF and you all know how that turned out, lol

 

[Tipper17]

Be careful, Tipper said the same about Hulk vs Broly and i said the same about Black vs RF and you all know how that turned out, lol

True but Wesker vs Kazuya seems to be that MU that's heavily popular among casual

If they put Wesker against him, im gonna be rant tf out of that, Iori is a better alternative and fairer, also they have yet to bring a kof rep

Geese literally appeared last year those but I get what I mean given he's more Final Fury than purely KOF

 

[Oleggator]

If they put Wesker against him, im gonna be rant tf out of that, Iori is a better alternative and fairer, also they have yet to bring a kof rep

I also heard Garou for Kazuya.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

I also heard Garou for Kazuya.

Dont know much on his connections and all, but feel like they will overrate garou a lot if he comes

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Geese literally appeared last year those but I get what I mean given he's more Final Fury than purely KOF

Geese aint originally a KOF character like Kyo or Iori

That is like saying cody from final fight is a street fighter character, when he isnt originally as such

 

[Tipper17]

Also Tiki comments seem to show once again that DB don't have the complete luxury of picking whatever MU they want
the Higher Ups at RT probs has to see whether it's worth a slot of not

 

[TacticalNuke002]

Geese hasn't ever canonically been involved in KoF, its always been non-canon dream matches or DLC. The Fatal Fury cast acknowledge that he exists but that's about it.

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

If they put Wesker against him, im gonna be rant tf out of that, Iori is a better alternative and fairer, also they have yet to bring a kof rep

Wouldve been cucked out of two way better matchups

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Iori is like his best match, guess Rugal would be 2nd place given he has them there, but Bison has him as his best

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

Iori is like his best match, guess Rugal would be 2nd place given he has them there, but Bison has him as his best

Yeah, but Bison doesn't need to come back

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Akuma did, Ryu did, Shao Kahn did

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

You can argue some of those were for the worse

 

[Seventy96]

If season 9 has 16 episodes, how many of them will be 3D? Season 8 has full 4 episodes and Saitama vs Popeye was partially 3D.

 

[TMaakkonen]

Bare minimum 3 3Ds with Blender team. RT 3D team looks like mess.

 

[Tipper17]

If season 9 has 16 episodes, how many of them will be 3D? Season 8 has full 4 episodes and Saitama vs Popeye was partially 3D.

We don't really know if it's 16 given Tiki playing coi on it

Bare minimum 3 3Ds with Blender team. RT 3D team looks like mess.

This we don't know how the In house team is looking so far

 

[Tipper17]

iori is like his best match, guess Rugal would be 2nd place given he has them there, but Bison has him as his best

All we know swan made a tweet last year regarding who folks want Kazuya to face

Wesker is his most popular but stated it's a easy W for Kazuya
Iori could be possible given KOF recent Popularity lately but it remains to be seen on how long it'll last

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Animation-wise Jinx vs Harley looks like it’ll be a 9/10

…

I feel like the writer of DBS Manga doesn’t know how strong and fast the characters are supposed to be

Spoiler: Manga spoiler

 

[Tipper17]

Animation-wise Jinx vs Harley looks like it’ll be a 9/10

…

I feel like the writer of DBS Manga doesn’t know how strong and fast the characters are supposed to be

Spoiler: Manga spoiler

Going for a gag moment

 

[Joycap]

W.I.P. of a chart for Gunvolt matchups. If anyone wants to help me figure some out, I'd be grateful.

Spoiler: List of Matchups

Gunvolt vs Miriam
Copen vs Iron Man
iX Copen vs Archer
Nova vs Edelgard
Asimov vs Kessler
Zonda vs Magneto
Jota vs Sage Harpuia
Merak vs Sans
Carrera vs Torch Man
Elise vs Lucy
Stratos vs Bog
Tenjian vs Vanilla Ice
Gibril vs B.B. Hood
Teseo vs L.O.L.Z.H.A.X.
Rebellio vs Jolyne
Isola vs Sweetheart
Crimm vs Deidara

I am not bullshitting when I say that Zeke von Genbu fits at least 4 of these 5 connections, if not all of them.

Let's go down the list:


This one is pretty straightforward. On the one hand, I interpret this as something that the subject in question would not possess naturally (I don't recall GV getting Septima naturally, or using it lest it mean ending up under Azimov's wing. I could be wrong, though). On the other, Blades on the wiki are described as 'weaponized life forms', an augmentation of someone's fighting ability in Alrest. and for those that remember the Architect's 20-minute exposition dump, he states how he basically had to recreate life, atoning for the sin he'd committed in the previous universe. For those that know who that was, it could be argued that that all life on Alrest is 'artificially created' in some way, lest we justify he was rewarded for his folly. You know the one...

Blades also go through multiple drivers, so to say that Zeke got Pandoria from 'another being' (a previous driver) is on the same level of debate as 'water is wet' (see also: the Architect). As for the major person in his life turned major-antagonist, that would be Amalthus. But naturally, there is some contrast:

Amalthus didn't give Zeke Pandoria, he already had Pandy before Amalthus and the Indolines found Zeke out about to die (another point we'll come back to). Hence Zeke briefly becoming a proxy for Amalthus, and we all know how that turned out... (if you couldn't guess, Amalthus goes against everyone because he's supremacist and all that). Although, despite Zeke having Pandoria before Amalthus entered his life, you could make the argument that Zeke becoming a Blade Eater as a result of the CC transplant could be similar, or an amp of some kind.

"Pandoria looks pretty damn human for a blade..."



Alrest verse already took this in it's stride, if not already achieved it if they see Core Crystals as natural. Indol did have an anti-war sentiment that they attributed to the Blades themselves, and Amalthus's 'cleansing' was actually a sterilising agent for Titans (where have I heard that before...?), contributing to less living land, but other than that... depends how you interpret it.



While the details of what went down aren't entirely clear, Zeke does drop his backstory of how he "almost bloody died" while the party is looking for the 3rd Aegis Sword in Spirit Crucible Elpys. Cutscene itself explains it better than I ever could.

Next...



(Imma just take this as an opportunity to prattle off who wins)

I do understand the concerns people have about pitting High 6-A against 7-B, but I do think Preservation and the Septima's Electric Immunity brings Zeke down to GV's level. I also think that GV ultimately outpaces Zeke, not just because Jota and Merak are far more consistent forms of Lightspeed scaling for him, but because I've always found the lightspeed scaling for Jin to Zeke to be rather dubious, and not backed by much. Jin isn't much of a talker, as seen in his personality, he was obviously being sarcastic when he tried to flatter Zeke for his speed. And while I do think that XC2 has false proclivities as a power scaling case study, I do think that the scenes on Genbu Crown is far more honest about it, with editing used to show that characters are getting properly speed blitzed.



Couple all of that with Anthem and GV's more abundant hax list, and Zeke has a hard time in this fight.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

All we know swan made a tweet last year regarding who folks want Kazuya to face

Wesker is his most popular but stated it's a easy W for Kazuya
Iori could be possible given KOF recent Popularity lately but it remains to be seen on how long it'll last

Given he admits its easy win he should be open on the idea for better options

Kof15 will have DLCs i think for this whole year and who knows if more will come, so it should be around the time the game is still hype or if by some chance Tekken gets some news that will bring talks of it

 

[Tipper17]

 

[Seventy96]

So, no Bowser vs Eggman this year?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

So, no Bowser vs Eggman this year?

Hope so

 

[Kontororou]

 

[TMaakkonen]

Unless plans change, Bowser vs Eggman should be very unlikely. Not impossible tho.

 

[Nero415]

Nice

 

[Nero415]

So, no Bowser vs Eggman this year?

I mean Akuma vs Kahn was a CDB and full episode in the same year.

And I think Johnny Cage vs Captain Falcon back in S6

 

[Jasonsith]

Well, it makes sense to be Season finale tbh.

On the other hand though, it is maybe appeared too early to become a thing in Season 9, but probably is already possible on Season 10.

It seems to be a practice (and a commercially viable one) that more money is put for the première matchup and the finale matchup. Meanwhile...

It won't generate too much views for season 10 finale. It's just to little match-up. Yes, it's a little match-up, because majority of DB subscibers don't know who Kyle is. I can name 5 episodes that are more likely to be season 10 finale instead of Kyle vs Simon:
Goku vs Superman
Goku vs Seiya
Gogeta vs Omnimon
Glactus vs Unicron
Bugs Bunny vs Mickey Mouse

Simon vs Kyle is definitely finale worthy

I'm pretty sure casuals at least heard of Simon and they at least know the concept of GL

So do I.
In fact, I see Kyle Rayner as just slightly less popular than Half Jordan as Green Lantern. Meanwhile the other two... They just have names of other people with similar names... my opinion.

So sick.

So sick.

Just... The voting system changes now? With the new champion system?

Anyone see this low key Wiz vs Boomstick but also classic video game classic villains battle?

 

[Tipper17]

So, no Bowser vs Eggman this year?

I mean Akuma vs Kahn was a CDB and full episode in the same year.

And I think Johnny Cage vs Captain Falcon back in S6

both are true though it's are only examples
most take a year later to happen so it isn't out the question this year but next year seems more solid

 

[Seventy96]

I like Akuma vs Shao Kahn. In terms of choreography, combos and music it is one of the best in season 8. But, this episode has low framerate, janky animation, meh Shao Kahn voice and weak death. Overall, this episode is clearly unfinished. If this episode was 100% complete, it would be one of my favourites.

 

[The_Smashor]

Zeke being infused with something to be stronger is a neat thing, but literally the same thing happened to Miriam, and it was done by an organization not dissimilar to Sumeragi, making it a stronger connection overall.

From what I can tell, the only think Zeke has over any of Gunvolt's other matchups is having a duo that mirrors Gunvolt and Joule. And if we really want to go down that route, Naofumi and Ralphtalia are pretty much just better.

And even if we only used a low end for Zeke, and considered anthem to give, let's say, a 100x multiplier despite there not being definitive evidence of any more than 18x, Zeke is still over 10x stronger than Gunvolt's peak. Not to mention, Gunvolt dosn't have any offensive hax, only defensive hax, so he lacks the means to close that gap.

 

[Tots_Real]

Spidey vs Ladybug.

Ew

 

[Tipper17]

"Rock,Paper, SMASH"

 

[Joycap]

Can't speak for Miriam so...

From what I can tell, the only think Zeke has over any of Gunvolt's other matchups is having a duo that mirrors Gunvolt and Joule. And if we really want to go down that route, Naofumi and Ralphtalia are pretty much just better.

Does Naofumi manipulate electricity?

And even if we only used a low end for Zeke, and considered anthem to give, let's say, a 100x multiplier despite there not being definitive evidence of any more than 18x, Zeke is still over 10x stronger than Gunvolt's peak. Not to mention, Gunvolt dosn't have any offensive hax, only defensive hax, so he lacks the means to close that gap.

I still think GV's Electric Immunity is enough to close the gap. The thing you have to keep in mind about XC2 tier 6 scaling is that while I'm well aware of where it comes from (Aegis titan busting), it is taken WILDLY out of context in a lot of cases (path to Indol w/o Morag / Rare pull scaling deadlock etc.). I'd also mention that Pandoria is Zeke's B&B, and it'd be a hard sell to say any other blade of any other element (and even other Electric pulls) come close, even if said scaling was true.

Also Zeke only has an electric resist with Pandoria, not an outright immunity. Just putting that on the table before you ask (unless you're saying that said resistance is enough to halt GV's offensive options below his 7-B peak, in the same way that GV would laugh off Zeke's 6-C offences with Electric Immunity + Preservation).

 

[EJthe24th]

Don't be, those matches suck honestly, just there isn't any good Luffy match ups and those are the most common.

What about Captain Marvelous?