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Raidou Kuzunoh the XIV vs John Constantine (Shin Megami Tensei vs DC)
As an aside, I hope Death Battle realises that this isn't as simple as handing DC a single non-Marvel loss and calling it a day.
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Death Battle Season Eight Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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As an aside, I hope Death Battle realises that this isn't as simple as handing DC a single non-Marvel loss and calling it a day.
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Like I said, I heard Green Lantern Rings are weaker Post-Crisis, and we can't just scale them to Pre-Crisis without consistent feats.
If we used logic like this for other verses then Alien X would still be 2-B via statements, since that like this comes from an open-ended statement.
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See my above post.
30 different Tier 2 feats. Remember the whole part of "VSBW's comics pages are literal dogshit"
Which still wouldn't be enough to beat Hal due to literally every other part of Hal
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Well I don't see Hal consistently fighting 2-C threats Post-Crisis, do you? DC's been going on for way too long for a mere statement to give a character's level of power, espesially one who's been around as long as Hal.
Having everyone be 4-B is overkill (Or underkill depending on how you look at it), but there's a ******* reason our rules are the way they are.
Having everyone be 4-B is overkill (Or underkill depending on how you look at it), but there's a ******* reason our rules are the way they are.
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Here's old faithful, the doc that debunks literally every possible argument for Alien X
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You're trolling, right
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You really expect me to trust a Diviantart versus debater?
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You really expect me to trust you, when you literally haven't posted any proof throughout this entire thing and all of your points have literally just been wrong
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Show me scans of Hal fighting 2-C threats through direct feats, at least 1 for every year Post-Crisis Hal has been around.
And once again, if we're making Hal 2-C via ONE STATEMENT, then Alien X is 2-B, since at least he has TWO STATEMENTS.
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Show me literally any scan of any of your arguments for Alien X winning.
You are proving my point on this wiki being awful at handling comics lol
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Neither of us have read all the DC comics since before our grandparents were born, let's face it.
2-C Hal is more of a strech than 2-B Alien X, since you've only given me one statement of him being 2-C, and there's TWO statements of Alien X being at least 2-B in a far shorter series.
2-C Hal is more of a strech than 2-B Alien X, since you've only given me one statement of him being 2-C, and there's TWO statements of Alien X being at least 2-B in a far shorter series.
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I owned a silver age hardback green lantern comics compilation. Don't drag me down to your level.
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Silver age isn't Post-Crisis, now is it?
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The best way to completely destroy your own credibility is by refusing to look at evidence because you don't like the website it's on
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"You haven't read old comics"
"I have literally read old comics"
"haha well joke's on you those comics are too old!"
Just admit you don't have any proof, you're embarassing yourself. There is not a single incarnation of Ben that can beat Comics hal.
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Maybe I don't. But you haven't given me any proof either beyond a ******* beaver.
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"Here's a scan of Hal literally referencing his experience with crisis shit"
"You haven't given me any proof"
But hey, thanks for admitting you don't have any
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Hasn't Hal Jordan directly duked it out with entities like Parallax and defeated the likes of Krona who had the power of all six emotional spectrum entities through sheer will power alone? These are entities who you could solidly scale to multiversal levels of power
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Actually, I physically couldn't read the image due to it's resolution and clicking it didn't do anything. I probably should have mentioned that earlier.
Evidently everyone hasn't, Tipper.
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Yes lol
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Hal defeating all the willpower in the universe via his willpower is bullshit, considering a being with all the willpower in the universe would have his willpower too. Plot-induced stupidity of Hal winning because he needs to because the plot needs him to.
Idk much about Parallax though.
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It isn't THAT ludicrous, Hal arguably has the most willpower of any GL and most DC characters out there. I mean in one story, Hal Jordan was able to create entire universes through sheer will power alone if memory serves me correctly so him matching the embodiment of willpower isn't farfetched
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Alien X debuted in 2008
Omniverse ended in 2014
Give one universal feat a Celestialsapien did for every year Alien X was on the air or he's not universal.
Yeah, see how stupid that sounds?
Also i feel like I should mention that power rings are exactly the same items across each individual green lantern and are powered by the exact same source. Even if (And to use your own words, that's a big if) Hal wasn't explicitly shown to survive the crisis, completely ignoring that he explicitly references it, That doesn't help you because the erasure that resulted from that event is above any feats or statements that exist throughout the entire Ben 10 verse and even an infinitesimally small fraction of that potency absolutely ***** over anything that Alien X could ever do.
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Yeah, but Hal, logically, cannot ever defeat all the willpower in the universe. Because said willpower would include his willpower. If Hal gets stronger, than Ion gets stronger, simple as that. Ion is a something that, no matter how much willpower Hal has, he cannot beat Ion.
I can give you most of the other arguments, I honestly don't know much about comics, but Hal defeating Ion is Plot induced stupidity on the level of a Magikarp defeating Arceus.
I can give you most of the other arguments, I honestly don't know much about comics, but Hal defeating Ion is Plot induced stupidity on the level of a Magikarp defeating Arceus.
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Wally West ran faster than the speed force due to his own speed.
People can overpower sources of something with their own amount of that something, that's literally how the verse's cosmology works.
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If the verse's cosmology works that way than feat scaling them is pointless and they should be banned from versus debating, because logic and reason don't apply to them while logic and reasoning is all of what versus debating is.
Wally West and Hal Jordan would literally defeat The Writer if the plot needed them to. DC Comics was a mistake.
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this is using a doylist interpretation over a watsonian interpretation but with literally no evidence but i'll take it
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DC Comics shouldn't be used in versus debating, ever. Someone not from marvel needs to kill Batman in DB real quick and then DC needs to never appear in a versus debating again.
What's the point of feat scaling characters above common ******* sense?
What's the point of feat scaling characters above common ******* sense?
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@The_Smashor Long story short most DC heralds are essentially I can do anything characters, when DB brings another DC herald against a non-marvel opponent they better show case the different powers, abilities, skills, etc interacting with each other in an awesome animation.
Not just a checklist of "welp here's the DC L you'll wanted lol" also this debate about GL Vs AX is pointless considering how subjective you can rate them across the Vs community (some folks still rate AX as tier 1 and Hal can potentially become tier 1 too).
Not just a checklist of "welp here's the DC L you'll wanted lol" also this debate about GL Vs AX is pointless considering how subjective you can rate them across the Vs community (some folks still rate AX as tier 1 and Hal can potentially become tier 1 too).
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I'm sorry, what? That's a pretty piss poor statement in a verse where The Writer explicitly is shown and stated to have complete control over the characters, he even had Animal Man attempt to kill him because he wrote it to happen so IDK where you got that claim from
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"let's look at feats"
"Let's not, let's just call the writers stupid for a situation i literally just made up and did not actually happen"
Pick one
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If a character who's only power is willpower can beat Willpower itself and a character who's only power is Speed can beat Speed itself, then who's to say they couldn't beat The Writer? Literally nothing supports them being unable to do so.
It's like in math when illogical things happen. If 1=2, then literally everything is possible.
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