DC Comics - 8-C Batman

[KLOL506]

I think it's more find Batman's distance from Talon, who's in the test tube?
So like, find the distance the test tube is from the epicenter (Should be easy with the wide shot). Then angsize Batman's distance from the Talon.
Subtract that distance Batman is from Talon, off the distance the Talon tube is from the epicenter? That'd be Batman's distance from the epicenter when he gets engulfed for that brief moment? Something like that?

The sequence, maybe you have a better idea?

The room is circular and the test tube is on the other side, the dude in the test tube barely broke out before Batman tackles him, which would pretty much confirm that the dude hasn't moved at all much. Assuming the next big explosion starts on the center of that room, we'd just need to divide the POV-to-Test Tube distance by half and that'd be the distance between Batman and the epicenter of the next boom.

Then we can go straight to ang-sizing Batman's head from POV right as he is about to charge into Talon.

Thus, true distance between Batman and Bomb = (Distance from POV to Talon/2) - (Distance from PoV to Batman when he finally lunges at Talon)

 

[KLOL506]

Okay so I tried some ang-sizing shots but Batman's distance from where the blast is shown to originate in the center of the room, after being hurled by the blast is like, almost 4 meters flat if we just use normal pixel-scaling. The canister is on the other side of the room so in the end batman would be roughly around that same exact distance. Ang-sizing the Talon guy in the pod also tells me that the dude is almost 4 meters away from PoV, assuming the Talon dude is the same height as Batman. So in the end, the scan of Batman's head charging at Talon while being engulfed by the boom may not be necessary after all.

After all this, we can just add the extra 6 meters of tripwire onto that 4 meters and that'd be Batman's final distance from the explosives. 10-ish meters.

Unless anyone can tell me the Talon Canister Dude's height that is?

 

[Chariot190]

Unless anyone can tell me the Talon Canister Dude's height that is?

They don't have an official height from what I can tell, they vary, but they're constantly shown to be about Batman height so... And in some cases slightly taller than Dick.
I'd just use Batman's height (6'2''), Dick (5'10'') as they seem to be hovering around 6' give or take depending on the Talon, or just low ball it to be safe with average height.

 

[KLOL506]

They don't have an official height from what I can tell, they vary, but they're constantly shown to be about Batman height so... And in some cases slightly taller than Dick.
I'd just use Batman's height (6'2''), Dick (5'10'') as they seem to be hovering around 6' give or take depending on the Talon, or just low ball it to be safe with average height.

Batman's height it is then in this particular case.

And it seems like the PoV stops at the halfway point of the room so dividing the distance might not be necessary after all. Just a simple ang-size and then adding the 6 meters on top should do.

 

[sanicspood]

Did y’all calc the KE of the submarine throw?

 

[Chariot190]

Did y’all calc the KE of the submarine throw?

KLOL did, after factoring in wacky math it gets 8-C for the energy Slade would have been subject to.

8-C

1: Batman survives the explosion of a submarine
2: Deathstroke gets sent to the water gulag(he gets a submarine thrown at him basically)
3: Blight causes a shockwave (8-C+)

Possibly 8-C, At least 9-A+

1: Batman survives an explosion destroying the top of a skyscraper. The feat is 9-A+ if we assume Batman was 7-8 metres away from the explosion and 8-C if we assume he was 5 metres or lower.

9-A

1: Batman tanks an RPG
2: Constantine survives an explosion (9-A+). This is less than 0.01 tons of TNT from Building level and considering Batman should be above Constantine, we can upscale Bats to 8-C.

Potentially 9-A

1: Tanks a tank shell, depending on the shell it can get upto 9-A but can also be as low as 9-B

 

[KLOL506]

Did y’all calc the KE of the submarine throw?

Potential energy, but yes. Good feat for Nth Metal Armor Deathstroke and anyone who can damage him or his armor in that state.

 

[sanicspood]

I was just asking cuz I found a calc for this feat and the ke that calc got was 7-c

 

[KLOL506]

I was just asking cuz I found a calc for this feat and the ke that calc got was 7-c

Would've needed a really good speed value for it then, because there's no evidence of ablation

The sub would've been needed to be hurled at 934 m/s to achieve baseline 7-C

Which I doubt would ever happen unless they had really good evidence to support it.

 

[Transcending]

The compound gets some visuals earlier on in that issue; I could see if we can get that?

That would be great though Slade didn't tank the entire explosion, just the explosion of a building or two. We just need the dimensions of the building.

Hmm do we have a source for this? I want to say it’s the 2016 run

It's from Captain Boomerang: Suicide Squad's Most Wanted #1

 

[Transcending]

After all this, we can just add the extra 6 meters of tripwire onto that 4 meters and that'd be Batman's final distance from the explosives. 10-ish meters.

Wouldn't it be 3 metres instead of 6 considering 6 is the length of the entire tripwire and when Batman touched it, the tripwire wound around his leg so 6/2?

 

[KLOL506]

Wouldn't it be 3 metres instead of 6 considering 6 is the length of the entire tripwire and when Batman touched it, the tripwire wound around his leg so 6/2?

Technically 4 meters after angsizing if we assume the boom to have originated in the center of that room. Maybe the second, bigger tripwire bomb was an additional 6 meters away from Bats? It's not like the bombs were stacked up in the same place otherwise it'd have all gone up in flames.

 

[Hellbeast]

That would be great though Slade didn't tank the entire explosion, just the explosion of a building or two. We just need the dimensions of the building.

I know there’s a tower we see at one point but I can’t recall if that’s the same tower as the one he blows up?

It's from Captain Boomerang: Suicide Squad's Most Wanted #1

Ah ok, I’ll check if we get anything decent for size there

 

[Transcending]

Deathstroke cratering Harley

Well, I haven't really calced any feats like this, so I am likely wrong, please correct me if I am, but here we go.

Harley's head is 59 pixels high. The average height of a head is 22cm. 22/59=0.3728813559322034. The crater has a diameter of 245 pixels, 245*0.3728813559322034= 91.35593220338983cm. 91.35593220338983*0.25=22.838983050847457.

(π / 2)*91.35593220338983*91.35593220338983*22.838983050847457=299412.65087257914cc

This looks like a v.frag of bricks. So 299412.65087257914*19.25= 5763693.529297149J=0.0013775558148416 tons of TNT

Wall Level!

 

[Antvasima]

Well, if we get four or more calculations supporting 8-C Batman, I suppose that is probably fine to apply.

However, a physically 9-A+ Constantine seems like a big outlier, at least going by the standards of the original Vertigo version.

 

[Hellbeast]

Well, if we get four or more calculations supporting 8-C Batman, I suppose that is probably fine to apply.

Yeah I can agree; I feel 9-A works fairly well for now unless we get more 8-C

However, a physically 9-A+ Constantine seems like a big outlier, at least going by the standards of the original Vertigo version.

This isn’t Vertigo tho, it’s the New 52 which buffed John in general

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Never mind about Constantine then.

 

[KLOL506]

Well, I haven't really calced any feats like this, so I am likely wrong, please correct me if I am, but here we go.

Harley's head is 59 pixels high. The average height of a head is 22cm. 22/59=0.3728813559322034. The crater has a diameter of 245 pixels, 245*0.3728813559322034= 91.35593220338983cm. 91.35593220338983*0.25=22.838983050847457.

(π / 2)*91.35593220338983*91.35593220338983*22.838983050847457=299412.65087257914cc

This looks like a v.frag of bricks. So 299412.65087257914*19.25= 5763693.529297149J=0.0013775558148416 tons of TNT

Wall Level!

Concrete is more appropriate given the color. Not that it'd matter, they have the same-ish values and most bricks today are made out of concrete.

 

[Transcending]

Concrete is more appropriate given the color. Not that it'd matter, they have the same-ish values and most bricks today are made out of concrete.

I checked the issue and all other pillars looked like they were made of bricks, that's why I assumed this one was too.

 

[CowHeadGod]

I tried to calc this but I couldn't find the distance Boomerang was from the bomb.

I think the best bet would be angsizing Boomerang's distance from Deadshot (1) and then Deadshot's distance from the rest of the squad (2) aka where the self-destruction metahuman was closest to. ¯\(ツ)/¯

That rustam feat is also easily tier 7, and he looked really close to the blast to the point it's also probably an outlier.

Again, Waller says that Polaris most likely redirected a bulk of the energy, so he probs survived like 10-1% of the actual explosion

Btw has anyone calc'd Two-Face surviving this big underground boom or a heavily-injured Batman and Deathstroke surviving this building boom

In terms of striking strength I've found some more of Batman breaking walls:

• Superman (2016) #37
• Detective Comics (2016) #982
• Detective Comics (2016) #997 - underwater this time
• There are also plenty of feats of Batman crushing roofs of cars by landing on them

 

[Transcending]

or a heavily-injured Batman and Deathstroke surviving this building boom

Yeah, Amelia calced it as Wall Level.

 

[Greenshifter]

Rebirth Wally West should be as strong and durable as Post-Crisis Wally West while not enhancing his speed, who's building level. This then scales to Batman via Reverse Flash.

 

[Transcending]

Rebirth Wally West should be as strong as Post-Crisis Wally West while not moving, who's building level. This then scales to Batman via Reverse Flash.

Then we have 4 scales

Well, if we get four or more calculations supporting 8-C Batman, I suppose that is probably fine to apply

 

[KLOL506]

I checked the issue and all other pillars looked like they were made of bricks, that's why I assumed this one was too.

Oh well, results wouldn't change much.

 

[Transcending]

I know there’s a tower we see at one point but I can’t recall if that’s the same tower as the one he blows up?

Also do we know how far Deathstroke was from the explosives?

 

[Chariot190]

Again, Waller says that Polaris most likely redirected a bulk of the energy, so he probs survived like 10-1% of the actual explosion

Even just 1% of that energy would be a tad suspect. But we can't just assume values like that.

 

[Transcending]

This feat looks like it's worth calcing.

 

[Chariot190]

Bad news everybody. After inquiring with residential Constantine enjoyer, that 8-C durability feat for him is unfortunately not usable, at least for this.

He instinctively threw up a forcefield to tank the blast, in fact if he hadn't, he'd have died.
This doesn't inherently serve as a anti-feat for Bat dudes though as they're far beyond him physically so it doesn't actually change anything (beyond vampires ig), just that that specific 9-A feat isn't usable for physicals as it'd kill him and he tanked it via magic.
One of the thousand other huge ass explosions can just serve to replace this.

 

[Armorchompy]

Hi gentlemen, I'm the Constantine enjoyer I don't actually like post-flashpoint John much anymore but still, here's the full scan.

It actually is an anti-feat, Post-Flashpoint Constantine scales to batfam people, he kills vampires that were overwhelming Barbara Gordon and were implied to be a threat to Batman himself too.

 

[Transcending]

This feat looks like it's worth calcing.

The bus in the scan is 315 pixels. Average buses are 12m long, so 12/315=0.0380952380952381. The explosion is 482 pixels long, 482*0.0380952380952381=18.361904761904764. 18.361904761904764/2=9.180952380952382 which is the radius.

W = 9.180952380952382^3*((27136*1.37895+8649)^(1/2)/13568-93/13568)^2= 0.062194032999154616 tons of TNT.

Small Building Level

Batman was completely unaffected by this attack as seen in the next page.

 

[Chariot190]

The bus in the scan is 315 pixels. Average buses are 12m long, so 12/315=0.0380952380952381. The explosion is 482 pixels long, 482*0.0380952380952381=18.361904761904764. 18.361904761904764/2=9.180952380952382 which is the radius.

W = 9.180952380952382^3*((27136*1.37895+8649)^(1/2)/13568-93/13568)^2= 0.062194032999154616 tons of TNT.

Small Building Level

Did Batman actually tank that? I'm not saying he didn't, it just kinda looks like he managed to escape in time in the following panel.

 

[Transcending]

Did Batman actually tank that? I'm not saying he didn't, it just kinda looks like he managed to escape in time in the following panel.

It looks more like the power of the explosion threw him?

 

[Chariot190]

Maybe? The explosion is still expanding it looks like based on motion lines and the sfx. But Batman I cant tell if he's being launched or if he's going forward in like a dive to escape. Hard to tell. If others ok with it then cool. Neutral on that tho, I just cant tell.

In other news, that doc lacks Croc, Bane, Clayface, etc feats of any kind (Bane has a few but they're all pretty basic, no way that's all of them), do you happen to have more? They're the kind of dudes I'd expect to have nice physical feats like cratering the ground, smashing through large slabs of rock and concrete, etc, mangling steel, etc. Explosion feats good and all but a few extra nice physical feats would act to hard confirm an upgrade.

 

[Transcending]

Maybe? The explosion is still expanding it looks like based on motion lines and the sfx. But Batman I cant tell if he's being launched or if he's going forward in like a dive to escape. Hard to tell. If others ok with it then cool. Neutral on that tho, I just cant tell.

In other news, that doc lacks Croc, Bane, Clayface, etc feats of any kind (Bane has a few but they're all pretty basic, no way that's all of them), do you happen to have more? They're the kind of dudes I'd expect to have nice physical feats like cratering the ground, smashing through large slabs of rock and concrete, etc, mangling steel, etc. Explosion feats good and all but a few extra nice physical feats would act to hard confirm an upgrade.

Bane fragmented steel here and bent the ground. He also dented and then broke off a steel door

 

[Chariot190]

Yeah more of those would be extremely helpful, those are both decent feats (Though kinda hard to pixel scale so can't do much with them).
More shit like that, and we'd easily flesh out the ratings. Also that Batman slam in the first panel would actually be quite good if it's compressing the bricks, though it might also just be pushing them back given it's a wall.

 

[Hellbeast]

It actually is an anti-feat, Post-Flashpoint Constantine scales to batfam people, he kills vampires that were overwhelming Barbara Gordon and were implied to be a threat to Batman himself too.

Doesn’t the profile explicitly mention the Vamps were a threat thanks to numbers rather then actual statistics?

Maybe? The explosion is still expanding it looks like based on motion lines and the sfx. But Batman I cant tell if he's being launched or if he's going forward in like a dive to escape. Hard to tell. If others ok with it then cool. Neutral on that tho, I just cant tell.

In other news, that doc lacks Croc, Bane, Clayface, etc feats of any kind (Bane has a few but they're all pretty basic, no way that's all of them), do you happen to have more? They're the kind of dudes I'd expect to have nice physical feats like cratering the ground, smashing through large slabs of rock and concrete, etc, mangling steel, etc. Explosion feats good and all but a few extra nice physical feats would act to hard confirm an upgrade.

Unfortunately I lost interest a while ago but I noticed a few for Post-Flashpoint Clayface. Bane I haven’t kept up with tho and Croc may not even be street tier any more

here’s the Clayface RT

 

[Transcending]

Bane fragmented steel here

Batman's head is 86.35 pixels high, the average head is 23cm high. So 23/86.35=0.2663578459756804. The part of the steel thing Bane broke is 142.40 pixels high, so 142.40*0.2663578459756804=37.92935726693689cm; Length=263.19 pixels, so 263.19*0.2663578459756804=70.10272148233932cm; Width=93.20 pixels, so 93.20*0.2663578459756804=24.824551244933414cm.

Volume= 24.824551244933414*70.10272148233932*37.92935726693689= 66007.26953991139cc. Bane either fragmented or violently fragmented the steel thing. I will do both.

Frag

208*66007.26953991139= 13729512.064301569 Joules= 0.00328 tons of TNT.

V.frag

568.5 *66007.26953991139= 37525132.733439624 Joules= 0.00897 tons of TNT

Low End= Wall Level

High End= Small Building Level

 

[Chariot190]

Might be 9-A (Going by the shot where he looks up) (Assuming pulv? if only vfrag it's 9-B)
That's actually a pretty big hole horizontally, should be high 9-B
That looks ******* massive, should be easy low 9-A with vfrag
Should be 9-A with compression

Might be our best feats from there, nothing 8-C, but they should be 9-Aish? I'll see if I can get some numbers on any of those.
Edit: Yeah I think I can do these easily, I'll start calcing.

 

[Armorchompy]

Doesn’t the profile explicitly mention the Vamps were a threat thanks to numbers rather then actual statistics?

If they weren't comparable in statistics they wouldn't be a threat no matter what, they're just slower, less skilled and potentially somewhat weaker.

Also like, contextually, vampires are superhuman, it makes no sense for them to be crushingly inferior to in-verse peak humans.

 

[Transcending]

Should be 9-A with compression

The distance between Batman's ears in the scan is 15 pixels, they are 20cm on average. 20/15=1.3333333333333333. The crater has a diameter of 305 pixels, 305*1.3333333333333333=406.66666666666663cm. 406.66666666666663*0.25=101.66666666666666cm.

(π / 2)*406.66666666666663*406.66666666666663*101.66666666666666=26410438.596379325cc.

This looks like concrete, so 40*26410438.596379325=1056417543.855173 Joules= 0.25249 tons of TNT.

Building Level