DC Comics - 8-C Batman

[Transcending]

If no one has any problem with my three calcs, I will upload them to blogs

 

[Antvasima]

If no one has any problem with my three calcs, I will upload them to blogs

That seems like a good idea, but it is best to wait for input from calc group members first.

 

[Transcending]

That seems like a good idea, but it is best to wait for input from calc group members first.

Agree

 

[Chariot190]

126px = 188cm (Batman's wingspan, which should be about the same as his height, technically including fingers but he's closer to the POV so it should even out more or less).

489px = 729.619047619047628cm.

Now the depth, well, can't do much with this shot. And I can't use the following shots because I think it's implying it's multiple hits so it being deeper would be due to that.
Plus it looks different anyway, would rather just stick to the single shot.

In which case yay arbitrary assumptions.

It doesn't look that deep, using my power of comprehension skills, it looks like idk, based on the slants, shading and what not, to be about as deep as like, 1/3rd or quarter of the fist? Up to his ankles? Well either way not that deep. Something like 1/15th and 1/20th should work give or take.

729.619047619047628 x 0.0666666666666667 = 48.6412698412698661873015873015876cm.

729.619047619047628 x 0.05 = 36.4809523809523814cm.

(pi / 2) * 729.619047619047628^2 * 48.6412698412698661873015873015876 = 40674020.9311cm3.

(pi / 2) * 729.619047619047628^2 * 36.4809523809523814 = 30505515.6983cm3.

30505515.6983 x 40jcc (comp of concrete) = 1220220627.932j, 0.29163972942925426 tons, 8-C????????????

40674020.9311 x 40jcc = 1626960837.244j, 0.38885297257265772 tons, 8-C?

Uh, what about 10cm depth.

(pi / 2) * 729.619047619047628^2 * 10 = 8362039.28553.

8362039.28553 x 40 = 334481571.4212, 0.07994301420200764 still well into 9-A.

Damn wtf, that seems really high, I tested with the shadows to get a more accurate depth (something like 17cm+), but even then the absolute lowest depth I could get was still getting like 9-A+. Compression is wack, unless we wanna say it's vfrag or just frag.

 

[Chariot190]

The distance between Batman's ears in the scan is 15 pixels, they are 20cm on average. 20/15=1.3333333333333333. The crater has a diameter of 305 pixels, 305*1.3333333333333333=406.66666666666663cm. 406.66666666666663*0.25=101.66666666666666cm.

(π / 2)*406.66666666666663*406.66666666666663*101.66666666666666=26410438.596379325cc.

This looks like concrete, so 40*26410438.596379325=1056417543.855173 Joules= 0.25249 tons of TNT.

Building Level

Yeah we're both getting 8-C. Though, I can tell you that thing's depth sure as hell isn't 100cm deep, but you didn't factor in like half the impact.

 

[Armorchompy]

Well, if we get four or more calculations supporting 8-C Batman, I suppose that is probably fine to apply.

However, a physically 9-A+ Constantine seems like a big outlier, at least going by the standards of the original Vertigo version.

Eh, don't worry about that, as someone who's researched them both (as in, read literally every single issue for both) they're basically different characters with the same name. OG John is fairly grounded both in personality and power level, Post-Flashpoint John is basically just Doctor Strange but more morally gray.

 

[Transcending]

Compression is wack, unless we wanna say it's vfrag or just frag.

V.frag is 17-20 J/cc. Applying that to my calc:

Low End

26410438.596379325*17=448977456.13844854 Joules= 0.10730818741359 tons of TNT= 9-A

High End

26410438.596379325*20= 528208771.9275865 Joules= 0.12624492636893 tons of TNT= 9-A

 

[Hellbeast]

The Clayface thing is good because I actually recall Bane splattering him at one point. Not sure if that works tho considering Clayface is actual Clay

If they weren't comparable in statistics they wouldn't be a threat no matter what, they're just slower, less skilled and potentially somewhat weaker.

True

 

[Transcending]

So what happened to the tripwire feat?

 

[Antvasima]

Eh, don't worry about that, as someone who's researched them both (as in, read literally every single issue for both) they're basically different characters with the same name. OG John is fairly grounded both in personality and power level, Post-Flashpoint John is basically just Doctor Strange but more morally gray.

Okay. Understood, but it seems like Constantine used a protection spell to survive in this case.

 

[Chariot190]

So what happened to the tripwire feat?

KLOL was doing that, evidently he isn't done yet. Best to wait.

 

[Armorchompy]

Okay. Understood, but it seems like Constantine used a protection spell to survive in this case.

Yes, that one feat isn't usable, but he does scale to batfamily members, though he isn't quite on the same level. If you'd like support he has a couple casual 9-B durability feats.

 

[Transcending]

Anyway, I still personally think 8-C is better than 9-A, all the 9-A feats so far have been casual. But maybe after evaluating the current 3 feats and the tripwire one we should setup a vote count?

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, that one feat isn't usable, but he does scale to batfamily members, though he isn't quite on the same level. If you'd like support he has a couple casual 9-B durability feats.

Okay. Noted.

Anyway, I still personally think 8-C is better than 9-A, all the 9-A feats so far have been casual. But maybe after evaluating the current 3 feats and the tripwire one we should setup a vote count?

Well, I personally wouldn't mind 8-C, or "At least 9-A, likely 8-C" for Batman-level characters.

 

[Hellbeast]

Also about Clayface, here is Bane splattering him in Arkham War (and I think he even had Venom as well)

 

[Greenshifter]

Eh technically should I just list all of Post-Crisis Grodd's tier 8 stuff or wouldn't that do much?

 

[Chariot190]

Going through respect threads. Ignoring explosion feats, I'm seeing a lot of 9-B to 9-Aish feats from dudes like Croc (Pre mutation), Bane and the like.
Unfortunately not one seems to be 8-C, or even close. Especially as most wouldn't use pulv/compression but just frag or v.frag. A few might come close tho.

 

[Transcending]

Going through respect threads. Ignoring explosion feats, I'm seeing a lot of 9-B to 9-Aish feats from dudes like Croc (Pre mutation), Bane and the like.
Unfortunately not one seems to be 8-C, or even close. Especially as most wouldn't use pulv/compression but just frag or v.frag. A few might come close tho.

I mean yeah most of their feats are 9-B or 9-A(especially the non-explosion ones) but my point is that those are casual, 8-C would make far more sense

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Noted.

Well, I personally wouldn't mind 8-C, or "At least 9-A, likely 8-C" for Batman-level characters.

So which option would be preferable to all of you?

 

[Hellbeast]

Eh technically should I just list all of Post-Crisis Grodd's tier 8 stuff or wouldn't that do much?

Different continuity, I can prolly see something from Parademons tho

 

[Hellbeast]

I’m fine with either 9-A or 8-C; anything is better then the current Rating imo

 

[Transcending]

So which option would be preferable to all of you?

8-C for me but I am the OP lol so idk if my opinion has any value. But these people gave their agreement before. I am also fairly positive that @CowHeadGod and Da_Lunge_Fish agrees

 

[Transcending]

I updated the Original Post

 

[Chariot190]

Actually here's a wacky roundabout method. Do we all agree that Lex should be, in theory, at the center of the impact?

Edit: Also got calcbro to eval the slam. Exact depth doesn't really matter, either way it's a feat to the pile.

9-A and accepted (Also issue would be appreciated).

 

[Transcending]

9-A and accepted (Also issue would be appreciated).

Updated the OP. I will continue updating as more calcs are accepted.

Rebirth Wally West should be as strong and durable as Post-Crisis Wally West while not enhancing his speed, who's building level. This then scales to Batman via Reverse Flash.

Also everyone are fine with this scale right? If so I will add it too.

 

[Transcending]

@Armorchompy Can you evaluate these calcs?

The bus in the scan is 315 pixels. Average buses are 12m long, so 12/315=0.0380952380952381. The explosion is 482 pixels long, 482*0.0380952380952381=18.361904761904764. 18.361904761904764/2=9.180952380952382 which is the radius.

W = 9.180952380952382^3*((27136*1.37895+8649)^(1/2)/13568-93/13568)^2= 0.062194032999154616 tons of TNT.

Small Building Level

Batman was completely unaffected by this attack as seen in the next page.

Batman's head is 86.35 pixels high, the average head is 23cm high. So 23/86.35=0.2663578459756804. The part of the steel thing Bane broke is 142.40 pixels high, so 142.40*0.2663578459756804=37.92935726693689cm; Length=263.19 pixels, so 263.19*0.2663578459756804=70.10272148233932cm; Width=93.20 pixels, so 93.20*0.2663578459756804=24.824551244933414cm.

Volume= 24.824551244933414*70.10272148233932*37.92935726693689= 66007.26953991139cc. Bane either fragmented or violently fragmented the steel thing. I will do both.

Frag

208*66007.26953991139= 13729512.064301569 Joules= 0.00328 tons of TNT.

V.frag

568.5 *66007.26953991139= 37525132.733439624 Joules= 0.00897 tons of TNT

Low End= Wall Level

High End= Small Building Level

126px = 188cm (Batman's wingspan, which should be about the same as his height, technically including fingers but he's closer to the POV so it should even out more or less).

489px = 729.619047619047628cm.

Now the depth, well, can't do much with this shot. And I can't use the following shots because I think it's implying it's multiple hits so it being deeper would be due to that.
Plus it looks different anyway, would rather just stick to the single shot.

In which case yay arbitrary assumptions.

It doesn't look that deep, using my power of comprehension skills, it looks like idk, based on the slants, shading and what not, to be about as deep as like, 1/3rd or quarter of the fist? Up to his ankles? Well either way not that deep. Something like 1/15th and 1/20th should work give or take.

729.619047619047628 x 0.0666666666666667 = 48.6412698412698661873015873015876cm.

729.619047619047628 x 0.05 = 36.4809523809523814cm.

(pi / 2) * 729.619047619047628^2 * 48.6412698412698661873015873015876 = 40674020.9311cm3.

(pi / 2) * 729.619047619047628^2 * 36.4809523809523814 = 30505515.6983cm3.

30505515.6983 x 40jcc (comp of concrete) = 1220220627.932j, 0.29163972942925426 tons, 8-C????????????

40674020.9311 x 40jcc = 1626960837.244j, 0.38885297257265772 tons, 8-C?

Uh, what about 10cm depth.

(pi / 2) * 729.619047619047628^2 * 10 = 8362039.28553.

8362039.28553 x 40 = 334481571.4212, 0.07994301420200764 still well into 9-A.

Damn wtf, that seems really high, I tested with the shadows to get a more accurate depth (something like 17cm+), but even then the absolute lowest depth I could get was still getting like 9-A+. Compression is wack, unless we wanna say it's vfrag or just frag.

 

[Antvasima]

They need to be placed in a calculation blog if they are acceptable.

 

[Chariot190]

Ill put mine in a blog quickly.
@Transcending, I hope you don't mind if we go with my Clayface calc (after I flesh it out a bit), mostly due to depth discrepancies (the depth you got is over 100cm, that'd be to give an idea, about as deep as Batman's torso which is evidently, not that deep).

 

[Transcending]

Ill put mine in a blog quickly.
@Transcending, I hope you don't mind if we go with my Clayface calc (after I flesh it out a bit), mostly due to depth discrepancies (the depth you got is over 100cm, that'd be to give an idea, about as deep as Batman's torso which is evidently, not that deep).

Yeah I don't mind. I just used 0.25 because it's the standard value and I wasn't sure what else to assume.

 

[Chariot190]

Clayface (Post-Flash Point) smashes ground

vsbattles.fandom.com

Ok so we have 4 ends, ignoring the arbitrary 10cm end, it looks to be at least 9-A+ based on shadows (might be a little deeper given perspective), or straight up 8-C.
Ill ask Armor when he's not busy.

 

[Transcending]

I will add mine to blogs if they are accepted here.

 

[Chariot190]

For your bane feat, do we see that steel beam in preceding panels? (So we can get an idea for tall it was before being broken?).
If not, well idk I'm fine with it tbh, it isn't 100% accurate but it's likely the best way to do it with what ya got.

As for the Hugo feat (where he punches him through a wall), I ran numbers, just 9-B. The Slade stuff should be calced tho still, def 9-A in there, that mountain blast fragged a bunch of huge slabs of rock and the missile feat bounced him into a wall hard enough to curve it (compression, hole larger than him, basic 9-A impact, actually a nice depth tho we can pixel scale directly, probably 30cm). The large Clayface bust is also harder to do, kinda same issue as the Lex calc, our point of scaling (Batman) is quite a bit in front of the hole, so the hole's size is calculated quite a bit less than what it would actually be.

 

[Transcending]

For your bane feat, do we see that steel beam in preceding panels? (So we can get an idea for tall it was before being broken?).

Nope, but the effect drawn by the artist seems to be drawn to let us know the dimensions of the steel beam.

 

[Chariot190]

Well if that's our only option I guess I can live with that in lack of better ones.

 

[Hellbeast]

Should we do a tally of all the calcs we have?
So far 9-A looks pretty good but as you mentioned a lot of those are casual

 

[Transcending]

Should we do a tally of all the calcs we have?
So far 9-A looks pretty good but as you mentioned a lot of those are casual

All the accepted calcs are in the OP

 

[Hellbeast]

Ah ok dope. I guess I’d suggest the Batwoman and Croc feats involving walls but they prolly won’t yield much more then we have

 

[Chariot190]

In terms of 9-A, that looks almost certain. There's a good handful of feats in the respect threads and what not that are probably 9-A by some degree that just haven't been calced. Couple that with a billion random high end 9-B feats. 9-A I agree with atm unless someone whips out a bunch of hard anti-feat.

In other news.

Batman gets smashed into a structure.

And the structure is completely destroyed. Issue is we don't see the whole thing so we don't know the exact dimensions. So I was thinking, Pixel scale the thing's height and depth via the slam panel, and then for width, take the panel Batman is on his ass (pretending) and take the length of debris we see (so about panel width) and then just calc it as a cube?
It's a bit roundabout so I'm unsure if we wanna do that.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Ah ok dope. I guess I’d suggest the Batwoman and Croc feats involving walls but they prolly won’t yield much more then we have

Nothing wrong with having more consistency

 

[Chariot190]

Ah ok dope. I guess I’d suggest the Batwoman and Croc feats involving walls but they prolly won’t yield much more then we have

Croc has some good ones, like when he smashed through sewer walls and broke a foundation pillar, but lack of scaling shots complicates things like that.

I'm assuming we don't scale Mutated Croc to street dudes, only base.