DC Comics - 8-C Batman

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Yep; I don’t think he was back to his prime until the WW crossover

Yeah, WOG confirmed this too.

That whole section was mental no joke

Ong, Batman was smashed through walls, smashed through glass, thrown to the wings of a jet where he had to hold on, then nearly fell from it to his death, and lastly was put in a skyscraper that then exploded completely.

True but I feel the implication is it’s not via raw strength; Bruce has pressure points and had that can get around an unstable Slade

Possible ig but I didn't really feel like that since Batman was mostly dealing normal blows and pressure pointing through an armor would be hard.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Can I go a little off topic for a moment? Don't we have 10+ 8-C feats for Post Crisis, yet none of them are used

 

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Post-Crisis is also apparently superior to Post-Flashpoint according to Justice League Incarnate #4

 

[Hellbeast]

Yeah, WOG confirmed this too.

It reminds me of my issues with how we treat that but that’s my own thing

Ong, Batman was smashed through walls, smashed through glass, thrown to the wings of a jet where he had to hold on, then nearly fell from it to his death, and lastly was put in a skyscraper that then exploded completely.

Don’t forget; he still hadn’t quite recovered from what he went through in the Labyrinth and had to get jumped by Talons

dude is mad underrated

Possible ig but I didn't really feel like that since Batman was mostly dealing normal blows and pressure pointing through an armor would be hard.

Eh it’s there either way

Can I go a little off topic for a moment? Don't we have 10+ 8-C feats for Post Crisis, yet none of them are used

Yes the issue is they’re mostly dura feats; hence my suggestion to you we find AP feats
That’s irrelevant tho; keep this contained to Post-Flashpoint Stuff

Post-Crisis is also apparently superior to Post-Flashpoint according to Justice League Incarnate #4

is this in reference to Street Tiers or in general?

 

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is this in reference to Street Tiers or in general

In general, here's the scan:

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For 8-C AP feats our best bet would be to find Batman fragmenting steel doors or similar. Blast doors would be useful. The issue is that Batman usually just kicks the doors off their hinges instead of breaking them.

 

[Hellbeast]

True; tbh even 9-A casual feats would help since the gap isn’t insane

but back on topic; we need to do a tally of what needs calcs and get those sorted

 

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but back on topic; we need to do a tally of what needs calcs and get those sorted

The main priority IMO are these 3 calcs I mentioned:

If the feat is still not calcable, we should try calcing the above two feats and Deathstroke killing a country.

I am fairly sure that they will get us 9A-8C results at the bare minimum. After that, we have these feats:

Oh hey, thread this upgrade Post-Flashpoint street tiers.

Well, I can think of some potentially impressive feats that's not calc'd off the top of my head. Most notably:

• Harley Quinn surviving being dragged by Power Girl enough to spilt a cloud;
• Captain Boomerang survivng an explosion that destroyed a yard;
• Rustam surviving this massive boom although Dr Polaris most likely reversed a bulk of the energy (so he probs survived like 10% of energy output);

The doc file also contains some great feats related to craters which I think is worth looking.

I cannot calc all these feats so all help is appreciated!

 

[Chariot190]

In terms of 8-C. Owlman feat (Need to know distance they were from blast, the blast itself is well into tier 8, but inverse might **** it, though it could still be support or close enough to count), Deathstroke country feat and Boomerang feats probably the best bets. especially as they all involve actual building destruction. Everything else in that doc looks to be just degrees of 9-B and 9-A, minus the satellite which would get absolute ******* insane results.

That Quinn feat I wouldn't even touch, given the speed they're going, the speed on that split is gonna get wacky results, would be a huge outlier. The croc feat is also probably some degree deep into 8-B so it's also a bit much.

That rustam feat is also easily tier 7, and he looked really close to the blast to the point it's also probably an outlier.

 

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Found a new good feat, Lincoln tanks an explosion point blank

 

[Chariot190]

Unfortunately, given the distance he and Bats were from each other, that explosion actually isn't that big. I'd bet money it's only 9-B, and not even that toward the higher end.

Unless that same type of explosive has feats elsewhere (maybe he uses it to blow up walls, or obstacles or something?) and we could scale Lincoln to the device's other feats?

 

[Transcending]

Unfortunately, given the distance he and Bats were from each other, that explosion actually isn't that big. I'd bet money it's only 9-B, and not even that toward the higher end.

Unless that same type of explosive has feats elsewhere (maybe he uses it to blow up walls, or obstacles or something?) and we could scale Lincoln to the device's other feats?

Actually no, it's a surprising 9-A, I will post my calc soon

 

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Lincoln is 36 pixels tall in the scan. His actual height is 0.0019304 kilometres. 0.0019304/36=0.00005362222222222223. That's how many kilometres a single pixel is. The explosion's diameter is 309 pixels, so 0.00005362222222222223*309=0.01656926666666667. Divide that by 2 and we get 0.008284633333333334 which is the radius.

Since this happens in mid-air I will use the airburst formula. Yield= ((0.008284633333333334/0.28)^3)/1000= 2.5902744493397755e-8 megatons of TNT. Convert that to tons of TNT and you get 0.025902744493398, divide by 2 to get the final result of- 0.012951372246699 tons of TNT

 

[Chariot190]

Are you sure those specks are even him. If the blast was that large it'd have hit the plane he's not even ten meters from, or Batman, he's not even ten meters from.

 

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Are you sure those specks are even him. If the blast was that large it'd have hit the plane he's not even ten meters from, or Batman, he's not even ten meters from.

I mean I don't really see what it can be other than him. You can clearly see his suit particles flying off from the middle point and he's nowhere to be seen elsewhere.

 

[Chariot190]

I'd assume it's just random explosion specks, as seen in almost every other explosion in that run. Or he could easily just be engulfed in the blast so you can't see him at all, or maybe that is him, just not all of him, maybe a bit of him here and their poking out, either way, I don't know, but what I do know is that's a paradoxical diameter.

Because the size you got is literally impossible, we see in the first page he's only a few meters from the plane, if the blast was that large it would have hit it, and not just by a bit, but completely blown past it too.
He's also only a few meters from Batman himself, yet he wasn't hit by it, in fact it's a bit off from hitting him.
In fact with the size you got it would've engulfed most of the plane horizontally and would have been wider than the wing of said plane as a whole, but we see in that same panel it didn't cover the whole wing in width.

It could just be fucky art or perspective but that's an actual impossible size.
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Yeah, even taking his height and scaling the distance from the bomb itself on his back, only gets 6m, he's even closer to the plane itself.

 

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I'd assume it's just random explosion specks

On ground you could have made this argument, but he's in air here. Random specks can't occur. The only thing that could have exploded is his suit particles, which we do see exploding from the middle area. The middle area cannot be just his suit particles as they would be too big and would be staying impossibly humanoid, so that's impossible. The only option here so is that it's Lincoln himself, who we can't see anywhere else in the scan.

Or he could easily just be engulfed in the blast so you can't see him at all,

That wouldn't explain what that middle thingy is. The explosion's source was his own back meaning he would be at its centre, what else could be there?

or maybe that is him, just not all of him

Unlikely since the figure seems to be a full humanoid but I can recalc with his head's height or width if you want, which can be clearly see at the top of the humanoid as a circle.

Because the size you got is literally impossible, we see in the first page he's only a few meters from the plane, if the blast was that large it would have hit it, and not just by a bit, but completely blown past it too.
He's also only a few meters from Batman himself, yet he wasn't hit by it, in fact it's a bit off from hitting him.
In fact with the size you got it would've engulfed most of the plane horizontally and would have been wider than the wing of said plane as a whole, but we see in that same panel it didn't cover the whole wing in width.

It could just be fucky art or perspective but that's an actual impossible size.

Let's look at the previous page again. In the first panel, he's near the plane, sure. But in the third panel, you will see that it was distancing itself from him and considering a jet's speed, I would say it's possible for it to reach a good enough distance from the explosion.

At worst it would be messy art, because the guy at the centre cannot be ANYTHING other than Lincoln.

 

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Yeah, even taking his height and scaling the distance from the bomb itself on his back, only gets 6m, he's even closer to the plane itself.

A surface look should be enough to tell you that the explosion happened farther than 6m

 

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Also if we assume Lincoln was just 6 metres away from the plane when the explosion happened, the diameter would be about 3 metres and radius about 1.5, in which case the explosion would have only been about 0.00015 tons of TNT. Batman himself can give punches with far greater punches so the explosion shouldn't have done any damage to his armor, much less fragment it.

 

[Chariot190]

Let's look at the previous page again. In the first panel, he's near the plane, sure. But in the third panel, you will see that it was distancing itself from him and considering a jet's speed, I would say it's possible for it to reach a good enough distance from the explosion.

Lad the jet is going towards him. And he's moving in the same direction as it's going.
I looked at it mate, I'm telling you bluntly it isn't possible.
If I were to angsize the distance he moved in the panel right before the bomb goes off, the furthest distance he was right before detonation, he'd still be far to close for the blast to be as large as you got it.
Actually straight up impossible, 8m+ radius can't happen, in any single instance we see, it contradicts where he was, and then factor in how far away Batman was from him, how small the explosion is from Batman's own perspective, it just can't happen.

Unlikely since the figure seems to be a full humanoid but I can recalc with his head's height or width if you want, which can be clearly see at the top of the humanoid as a circle.

Perhaps that might be better. But only if it doesn't net impossible yields.

On ground you could have made this argument, but he's in air here. Random specks can't occur.

I'm making that argument because we see a bunch of specks elsewhere in the explosion, and numerous other random explosions throughout, it's just kinda how they draw them. Even ignoring that, there's no reason to assume the specks you scaled where the whole 1,9m. It could just be parts of him, not his whole body, given we don't see the whole body to begin with even in said panel, even as a outline.

The only thing that could have exploded is his suit particles, which we do see exploding from the middle area. The middle area cannot be just his suit particles as they would be too big and would be staying impossibly humanoid, so that's impossible.

Ok well let me ask you this, do we see his armor damaged afterward? Do we see his suit with a bunch of pieces missing? If not I'd have to disagree, I'd also like to point out again that there's no reason to assume what you scaled is his whole height, that could be half him for all we know.

The only option here so is that it's Lincoln himself, who we can't see anywhere else in the scan.

Not at all? For all we know he could be taking up the whole of the blast itself just about. We don't need to see him, as long as the blast is larger than 1.9m, we wouldn't see him to begin with.

But that's not all the issues, if you're saying he's as far away as you claim (As you said he was moving away from it), he'd have to actually be in front of the plane, but in order to be in front of the plane he'd have be drawn much smaller compared to the pixel scaling you got because that's the only feasible way he wouldn't have hit the plane in the blast, but from the angle Batman is seeing the blast go off, he's not far enough away from the front or side of the plane as if we used your size you're saying he is within the blast (aka the size you got the blast width off of), and used that to angsize the distance of the blast from Batman, he'd still be to close to the plane and would've hit it.

Actually tho, panel height is 652 pixels, using your own pixel scaling gets the blast
1.9304*652/(62*2*tan(70deg/2)) = 14.4959418287m from Batman.
That's how far away he is from Batman, from a close to dead on angle, passenger planes like that are tens of meters long, 30-50m in length. Even assuming 30, with the wing being at about the epicenter as they tend to be, he would be grazing the front of the plane with that blast. Let alone from a horizontal perspective which would have completely engulfed it.

I can also angsize the distance he was the panel it went off, would probably get not that far tbh. I'll do that if need be to show that it's strictly impossible. if it still gets below 8m I'm going to hard to vehemently disagree with that calc, in fact if it's anywhere even close to 8m I'd have to disagree because it has to be far enough away to not even come close to hitting it.

At worst it would be messy art, because the guy at the centre cannot be ANYTHING other than Lincoln.

It is messy art, but I'm arguing that the mess is the explosion size you got, because every other panel contradicts it even being able to reach the size without effecting the plane in some way.

Also if we assume Lincoln was just 6 metres away from the plane when the explosion happened, the diameter would be about 3 metres and radius about 1.5, in which case the explosion would have only been about 0.00015 tons of TNT. Batman himself can give punches with far greater punches so the explosion shouldn't have done any damage to his armor, much less fragment it.

But you were just saying those other specks were pieces of his armor?

 

[Chariot190]

Either way this isn't to important, I don't feel like arguing about this when at the end of the day, we could just calc a better feat instead.

 

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I will recalc with his head, it's 5 pixels high. The average head is 0.00023 kilometres high, so 0.00023/5=0.000046. The explosion would be 309 pixels like before, 309*0.000046=0.014214 and 0.014214/2=0.007107 which is the radius. Applying the surface burst formula like before would give us 0.016352526149918 tons of TNT. Divide by 2 and we get 0.008176263074959 tons of TNT. Still 9-A.

Lad the jet is going towards him. And he's moving in the same direction as it's going.
I looked at it mate, I'm telling you bluntly it isn't possible.
If I were to angsize the distance he moved in the panel right before the bomb goes off, the furthest distance he was right before detonation, he'd still be far to close for the blast to be as large as you got it.
Actually straight up impossible, 8m+ radius can't happen, in any single instance we see, it contradicts where he was, and then factor in how far away Batman was from him, how small the explosion is from Batman's own perspective, it just can't happen.

What if when he saw the mine was implanted on him, he got shocked and stopped moving, which in turn caused the jet to overtake him? Jets are crazy fast you know.

I'm making that argument because we see a bunch of specks elsewhere in the explosion

That's his body armor breaking.

and numerous other random explosions throughout

?

Ok well let me ask you this, do we see his armor damaged afterward? Do we see his suit with a bunch of pieces missing?

Yes. Before the explosion, after it.

But you were just saying those other specks were pieces of his armor?

Yes, and using your values Batman would be able to hit with energy much more than the explosion, meaning the armor would have broken off right there. But it didn't, the explosion was necessary to do it.

It is messy art, but I'm arguing that the mess is the explosion size you got, because every other panel contradicts it even being able to reach the size without effecting the plane in some way.

Then explain what that thing in the middle is?


Rest of your arguments are related to Lincoln's full body not being seen. My recalc should fix that.

 

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In terms of 8-C. Owlman feat (Need to know distance they were from blast, the blast itself is well into tier 8, but inverse might **** it, though it could still be support or close enough to count)

This scan shows the bombs, maybe we could use that? It wasn't shown that Batman tanked the the yield of all those bombs going at once though.

Deathstroke country feat

We need the dimensions of the country :/

and Boomerang feats probably the best bets.

I tried to calc this but I couldn't find the distance Boomerang was from the bomb.

 

[Chariot190]

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I will recalc with his head, it's 5 pixels high. The average head is 0.00023 kilometres high, so 0.00023/5=0.000046. The explosion would be 309 pixels like before, 309*0.000046=0.014214 and 0.014214/2=0.007107 which is the radius. Applying the surface burst formula like before would give us 0.016352526149918 tons of TNT. Divide by 2 and we get 0.008176263074959 tons of TNT. Still 9-A.

Unfortunately that's still to high, the more I look into it, the more the size gets capped, I'm sorry mate but I don't think I can agree to this feat, I can't speak for others but there's just way to many issues I see with it.
(In order for it to be 18m it would have to be dozens of meters away from Batman or tens of meters away from Batman horizontally, neither is true. And if it was, it would mean either Lincoln is a huge giant in that blast and multiple times larger then he usually is to seem that large from the required distance it'd have to be to be 7-8 rad, which in turn would make the blast even larger, which creates a loop of ****** up scaling).

What if when he saw the mine was implanted on him, he got shocked and stopped moving, which in turn caused the jet to overtake him? Jets are crazy fast you know.

The jet didn't overtake him, Batman is located in the turbine in the central part of the plane, the plane is moving towards Lincoln. This places Lincoln between the front of the plane, and the wing.
It quite literally couldn't have overtaken him, because we see that it didn't, Batman is looking toward the blast.
Actually, what you just said would have made it worse, because if he stopped the plane wouldn't have created distance, it'd have shortened it, he'd be even closer to the plane. That argument actively works against what you're proposing.

That's his body armor breaking.

Awfully big pieces for body armor. Given there's like a dozen specks as large as the head you're proposing.

Yes. Before the explosion, after it.

If the armor difference is actually due the blast, that helps. But not really because still space issues.

Yes, and using your values Batman would be able to hit with energy much more than the explosion, meaning the armor would have broken off right there. But it didn't, the explosion was necessary to do it.

I'm not arguing what Batman can, or can not do here, as it stands I'm already on board with a solid 9-A tier, leaning toward 8-C.
I'm arguing the values you've obtained with your pixel scaling results in an explosion size that is far to large for his position ion relation to the environment and if it was actually that large it would have struck the plane he was close to as well as him being far to close in preceding panels, including the very same panel he he went "oh shit" as we can see the plane in the background of the panel, mere meters away. I have no issue if Batman could hit harder, less than, or whatever than the bomb, I just hold issue with paradoxical scaling.

Then explain what that thing in the middle is?

Could be pieces of his armor breaking too
You said the specks are pieces of the armor right? That's the same, it doesn't inherently have to be his head and chest, it's not like he see his arms, the specks right below it also don't line up inherently with leg positions or length. It could be him, or it could just be pieces of his helmet or armor being launched outward from the center. Because remember, that's an explosion, omnidirectional in all directions, he should be in the center of it. If we're saying that's him the explosion would either be pretty thin from a depth perspective, or it's just pieces along with the rest being launched in all directions, in this case, forward.
That's just one of many potential explanations, but lad, I ain't here to explain it. It ain't on me to do that. Hell it could be him and maybe everything you shown is indeed correct in terms of that one panel, that still wouldn't solve the issue of that single panel contradicting all the other panels of that sequence in regards to position, distance, environment and things we can't just ignore.

Honestly, to give you an idea how utterly ****** it is, even in that same panel there's issues like the blast only being 13-14m away at maximum based on your own scaling, and that's from a front on distance, in terms of distance from the plane from horizontally, it'd be way closer, in fact given Batman is in the turbine, of which is only 4~ meters from the windows, and the blast is happening in front of Batman, not way off to the side as it's in his view. That alone caps the blast's size, from the view we see the blast, and where Batman is situated, the blast has to be either dozens and dozens of meters away in front of the plane by a good distance (It isn't, it's 14m away by your own scaling, so not in front of the plane, or just about the same, made worse because it has to be so much in front of the plane that plane isn't visible from that angle), or far off to the side (it isn't, Batman is looking it dead on more or less). If both A and B aren't true and factually so, that means the blast can't be larger than a handful of meters as even in that panel, the location caps it.
Factor in preceding panels showing how far away Lincoln was, It's simply impossible no matter you scale it or argue it, even when talking exclusively the blast panel itself.

So then we have to ask, what's more consistent? The huge explosion size you got? Or the location and general distance everything is from each other? I'm arguing second is more consistent and displayed, and thus your calc can't be true, it doesn't make sense and contradicts the material.

As I said, it's best we focus on the other more important feats then get hung up on at absolute best low 9-A bit feat.

 

[Chariot190]

We need the dimensions of the country :/

Do we? We could just calc the exploding building, he destroyed it via numerous explosives it looks like, not a single blast. Just calcing the building they were in getting blown apart would be best probably.

Well there's the missile and road explosion DS tanked, but I don't see much we can scale off to get the blast yield (The cars don't seem to display the full blast size).

For the Batman boat feat, if it destroyed the boat, you could probably calc the destruction of the boat, and the inverse the distance Batman was from the grenade, would likely be better than just calcing the blast, if the boat itself was blown to bits.

 

[Chariot190]

Actually here's a wacky roundabout method. Do we all agree that Lex should be, in theory, at the center of the impact?

Edit: Also got calcbro to eval the slam. Exact depth doesn't really matter, either way it's a feat to the pile.

 

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Unfortunately that's still to high, the more I look into it, the more the size gets capped, I'm sorry mate but I don't think I can agree to this feat, I can't speak for others but there's just way to many issues I see with it.
(In order for it to be 18m it would have to be dozens of meters away from Batman or tens of meters away from Batman horizontally, neither is true. And if it was, it would mean either Lincoln is a huge giant in that blast and multiple times larger then he usually is to seem that large from the required distance it'd have to be to be 7-8 rad, which in turn would make the blast even larger, which creates a loop of ****** up scaling).

The jet didn't overtake him, Batman is located in the turbine in the central part of the plane, the plane is moving towards Lincoln. This places Lincoln between the front of the plane, and the wing.
It quite literally couldn't have overtaken him, because we see that it didn't, Batman is looking toward the blast.
Actually, what you just said would have made it worse, because if he stopped the plane wouldn't have created distance, it'd have shortened it, he'd be even closer to the plane. That argument actively works against what you're proposing.

Awfully big pieces for body armor. Given there's like a dozen specks as large as the head you're proposing.

If the armor difference is actually due the blast, that helps. But not really because still space issues.

I'm not arguing what Batman can, or can not do here, as it stands I'm already on board with a solid 9-A tier, leaning toward 8-C.
I'm arguing the values you've obtained with your pixel scaling results in an explosion size that is far to large for his position ion relation to the environment and if it was actually that large it would have struck the plane he was close to as well as him being far to close in preceding panels, including the very same panel he he went "oh shit" as we can see the plane in the background of the panel, mere meters away. I have no issue if Batman could hit harder, less than, or whatever than the bomb, I just hold issue with paradoxical scaling.

Could be pieces of his armor breaking too
You said the specks are pieces of the armor right? That's the same, it doesn't inherently have to be his head and chest, it's not like he see his arms, the specks right below it also don't line up inherently with leg positions or length. It could be him, or it could just be pieces of his helmet or armor being launched outward from the center. Because remember, that's an explosion, omnidirectional in all directions, he should be in the center of it. If we're saying that's him the explosion would either be pretty thin from a depth perspective, or it's just pieces along with the rest being launched in all directions, in this case, forward.
That's just one of many potential explanations, but lad, I ain't here to explain it. It ain't on me to do that. Hell it could be him and maybe everything you shown is indeed correct in terms of that one panel, that still wouldn't solve the issue of that single panel contradicting all the other panels of that sequence in regards to position, distance, environment and things we can't just ignore.

Honestly, to give you an idea how utterly ****** it is, even in that same panel there's issues like the blast only being 13-14m away at maximum based on your own scaling, and that's from a front on distance, in terms of distance from the plane from horizontally, it'd be way closer, in fact given Batman is in the turbine, of which is only 4~ meters from the windows, and the blast is happening in front of Batman, not way off to the side as it's in his view. That alone caps the blast's size, from the view we see the blast, and where Batman is situated, the blast has to be either dozens and dozens of meters away in front of the plane by a good distance (It isn't, it's 14m away by your own scaling, so not in front of the plane, or just about the same, made worse because it has to be so much in front of the plane that plane isn't visible from that angle), or far off to the side (it isn't, Batman is looking it dead on more or less). If both A and B aren't true and factually so, that means the blast can't be larger than a handful of meters as even in that panel, the location caps it.
Factor in preceding panels showing how far away Lincoln was, It's simply impossible no matter you scale it or argue it, even when talking exclusively the blast panel itself.

So then we have to ask, what's more consistent? The huge explosion size you got? Or the location and general distance everything is from each other? I'm arguing second is more consistent and displayed, and thus your calc can't be true, it doesn't make sense and contradicts the material.

As I said, it's best we focus on the other more important feats then get hung up on at absolute best low 9-A bit feat.

I have some problems with a few of your points but most of it seems fine now. But considering the explosion violently fragmented or pulverized a part of his armor, can't we try to scale based on that?

 

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Do we? We could just calc the exploding building, he destroyed it via numerous explosives it looks like, not a single blast. Just calcing the building they were in getting blown apart would be best probably.

Well there's the missile and road explosion DS tanked, but I don't see much we can scale off to get the blast yield (The cars don't seem to display the full blast size).

For the Batman boat feat, if it destroyed the boat, you could probably calc the destruction of the boat, and the inverse the distance Batman was from the grenade, would likely be better than just calcing the blast, if the boat itself was blown to bits.

I need to know the composition of the boat

 

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Actually here's a wacky roundabout method. Do we all agree that Lex should be, in theory, at the center of the impact?

Sure ig

 

[Chariot190]

You could, do we know what it's made of? It'd have to be some heavy duty shit to get a nice result.

I need to know the composition of the boat

Probably steel, aluminium, fibre-reinforced plastic (FRP), and polyethylene. But given it's Batman, probably some high-end military shit.

Sure ig

Perhaps we could angsize the distance from luthor to the edge of the crater (The panel he's laying down)? If he's in the center, and we can figure out the distance from him to the edge, that could work as the radius. But I'm unsure, it would be a tad rough. And of course we can scale the depth off Mercy as she climbs down, though we'd have to change the scaling you did as slant method isn't how you get it.

 

[Antvasima]

8-C

1: Batman survives the explosion of a submarine
2: Deathstroke gets sent to the water gulag(he gets a submarine thrown at him basically)
3: Blight causes a shockwave (8-C+)

Possibly 8-C, At least 9-A+

1: Batman survives an explosion destroying the top of a skyscraper. The feat is 9-A+ if we assume Batman was 7-8 metres away from the explosion and 8-C if we assume he was 5 metres or lower.

9-A

1: Batman tanks an RPG
2: Constantine survives an explosion (9-A+). This is less than 0.01 tons of TNT from Building level and considering Batman should be above Constantine, we can upscale Bats to 8-C.

Potentially 9-A

1: Tanks a tank shell, depending on the shell it can get upto 9-A but can also be as low as 9-B

Thank you. Please update the above list if new additions are found or created.

 

[Transcending]

You could, do we know what it's made of? It'd have to be some heavy duty shit to get a nice result.

Well, the exact material was never stated but it looks like steel and would match it being stated to be a high tech armor.

Probably steel, aluminium, fibre-reinforced plastic (FRP), and polyethylene. But given it's Batman, probably some high-end military shit.

Ye but the percentage of those substances present is needed.

 

[Chariot190]

Well, the exact material was never stated but it looks like steel and would match it being stated to be a high tech armor.


Ye but the percentage of those substances present is needed.

Yeah you're not gonna get an exact value. My best suggestion would be to find the closest analog for batman's boat we have irl, and just calc the destruction of that given if it exists irl it probably has values listed somewhere.
For Owlman's, steel could be a low end but depending on the in universe manufacturer, you could probably look up the v.frag values for high grade military compounds. To calc it, you'd find Owlman's body area (lots of calculators online to do that if you have height and weight), and then multiply that area by the armor's thickness. Thinking on it, it might be a tad wacky but it should check out.

Anyway I'll probably calc a few of the impact feats in a bit, don't think any will hit 8-C but a few should be some degree of 9-A and most were casual or shrugged off. Though, does Bane not have any feats? The doc included a few but no way is that all of them. And he's the type of dude you'd expect to crater or smash large obstacles.

 

[Transcending]

I think adding the destruction of a boat to the reference for common feats page would be good but not really relevant to this thread ig

 

[Hellbeast]

We need the dimensions of the country :/

The compound gets some visuals earlier on in that issue; I could see if we can get that?

I tried to calc this but I couldn't find the distance Boomerang was from the bomb.

Hmm do we have a source for this? I want to say it’s the 2016 run

 

[KLOL506]

1: Batman survives an explosion destroying the top of a skyscraper. The feat is 9-A+ if we assume Batman was 7-8 metres away from the explosion and 8-C if we assume he was 5 metres or lower

This needs to be redone. I got higher diameter using some better quality scans that will increase the result.

Can you quote the reasonings for the 7-8 meter assumptions once more? I'll add in the 6 meters from the tripwire wikipedia page of the PROM-1 as well later.

 

[Chariot190]

This needs to be redone. I got higher diameter using some better quality scans that will increase the result.

Can you quote the reasonings for the 7-8 meter assumptions once more? I'll add in the 6 meters from the tripwire wikipedia page of the PROM-1 later.

Just the distance Batman was blown back from the initial trip.
The huge **** off blast that's shown after he procs the wire is actually a blast that happens shortly after, the events between the trip and the big blast is shown at the start of the following issue. Though he does indeed get engulfed by the large blast, he's quite a bit across the room by that point running. To be exact, he gets engulfed by the big blast in the panel immediately before he smashes through the tube with the Talon, which eyeballing it, is like 3-4 body lengths away from where the explosions starting going off. Though we could get an exact number with a little bit of pixel scaling in the wide shot (We see the tube's location) and then adding/subtracting distance from Talon's POV via angsizing to get a more or less precise distance Batman would have been.

If we want to actually do the feat and get an actual calc to use for a solid quantifiable number it'd actually have to pixel scaled, but looks about that to me tbh, should be close to that.
Edit:

Those two panels to be exact I think could work.

 

[Hellbeast]

Just found the country feat for Slade; it’s Annual 2 of the 2014 series

i think I’ve got an idea of how to quantify its height but I might be wrong

 

[KLOL506]

Just the distance Batman was blown back from the initial trip.
The huge **** off blast that's shown after he procs the wire is actually a blast that happens shortly after, the events between the trip and the big blast is shown at the start of the following issue. Though he does indeed get engulfed by the large blast, he's quite a bit across the room by that point running. To be exact, he gets engulfed by the big blast in the panel immediately before he smashes through the tube with the Talon, which eyeballing it, is like 3-4 body lengths away from where the explosions starting going off. Though we could get an exact number with a little bit of pixel scaling in the wide shot (We see the tube's location) and then adding/subtracting distance from Talon's POV via angsizing to get a more or less precise distance Batman would have been.

If we want to actually do the feat and get an actual calc to use for a solid quantifiable number it'd actually have to pixel scaled, but looks about that to me tbh, should be close to that.
Edit:

Those two panels to be exact I think could work.

Okay so from what I understand...

Find Talon's distance from PoV, divide it by 2 and that is the distance Batman is away from the explosion, then? Since the room seems to be circular in shape and Talon is a full diameter or so away.

Or would it just be the distance Talon is away from POV because Batman charges towards Talon? Actually no wait, assuming that circular room's center is where the bigger boom originates, Batman would again be half that distance away from the boom once more.

 

[Chariot190]

I think it's more find Batman's distance from Talon, who's in the test tube?
So like, find the distance the test tube is from the epicenter (Should be easy with the wide shot). Then angsize Batman's distance from the Talon.
Subtract that distance Batman is from Talon, off the distance the Talon tube is from the epicenter? That'd be Batman's distance from the epicenter when he gets engulfed for that brief moment? Something like that?

The sequence, maybe you have a better idea? If what you say would work, then by all means, seems less complicated too.