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DC Comics - 8-C Batman

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I ran the values, using the 85 ton blast and a distance of like 8m and doing all that wacky stuff, still gets like 9-A+, so I'd count it as support anyway tbh, he wasn't ****** up by it or anything.
 
Chariot190 said:
I ran the values, using the 85 ton blast and a distance of like 8m and doing all that wacky stuff, still gets like 9-A+, so I'd count it as support anyway tbh, he wasn't ****** up by it or anything.
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Ok then is 8-C fine now? I also ran up the values with 5 metres and that returned 8-C.
 
Transcending said:
Ok then is 8-C fine now? I also ran up the values with 5 metres and that returned 8-C.
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I mean it's looking better, but we should still find more. Optimally we'd calc or gather all his feats as a whole and just go through them, that's what I've been doing with DCAU Batman, every single feat, from speed, AP, durability, skill, intellect, abilities, etc. Even if they're redundant, it helps show some consistency.

Legion350 said:
I’ve also found some more Batman feats that could use a calc and might support a higher ranking.
Batman surviving an explosive (Batman (2011) #15)

Batman getting hit by a tank shell (Batman (2011) #38)

Batman surviving an exploding boat (Batman (2011) #27)
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First one seems to put a large hole in the concrete so that might be good.
 
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While Slade is in fact superior, their Post-Flashpoint versions have mostly matched each other so Deathstroke being 8-C while Batman being just 9-B seems like a stretch.
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Yes, I agree if that is the case.

Also, thank you to everybody who are helping out here.
 
Depends, it could be as few as one, hell, in some cases it could just be a singular statement of a dude going "lol i can vaporize/destroy/frag/etc [thing here]" or something.
Depends on if there's outliers, anti-feats, power progression and escalation that would corroborate such a jump of power, a whole slew of factors.
Unfortunately Batman (comics for the most part really), tend to vary widely in terms of feats even for the same characters, having both high feats, low feats, a whole slew of contradictory showings on both ends and more. So we need a few at least so we know it's consistent and they're actually around that power enough of the time, give or take, for us to actually rate them at that, opposed to just a few off high ends.
(Imagine if Batman is constantly doing things like breaking cement, bones but it's always with effort, and he always gets hurt by wall lv attacks, but then suddenly he punches down a skyscraper and tanks a nuke, before going right back to the lower end stuff in the next issue. We want to avoid something akin to that).

From what I've seen though most of his feats he's managed to tank quite well, and I don't recall much in terms of anti-feats minus the usual bullets go brrr, but still.
 
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Not how I would've scaled it, but it's still not bad. Batman was utterly unaffected by that, so it's still support even if it's not as high. It at least shows he doesn't cap at 9-B and low 9-A attacks can't put him down.
 
Okay. So should we upgrade the Post-Flashpoint Batman-level characters to 9-A then?
 
Yes, that is fine.

When you ask for evaluations for new DC Comics calculations here via our official wiki management forum request thread for this purpose, you can mention that I would appreciate the help.
 
I know one very recent feat, but I'm not sure if anyone scales because the character who performed this soloed the batfamily.
From Batman (2016) 126
 
Does 8-C have enough evidence now? Batman's 9-B feats have been done very casually and sometimes while he's also significantly weakened. He also literally no-sold the last 9-A attack and didn't struggle much with the tripwire feat(only got a few bandages) and that feat is 9A+ to 8C.

And remember, Post-Flashpoint doesn't have nearly as much appearances as Post-Crisis.

I think the Submarine feat has enough backing now.
 
Still not sure on 8-C, while it has more backing than it did, it's still only 3 feats out of hundreds of issues and thousands of potential feats.
But 9-A atm seems straightforward. And every single 9-B feat I've seen from this canon are all extremely casual, not with effort, or have caveats like the dudes being massively weakened or half dead (and the current 9-B calc is already a low end (literally next panel has the steel door bent and mangled with far larger dents. It's also way thicker than the calc gives credit, by a solid handful of inches, and it's by a dude Batman could beat to death while he himself was half dead). Coupled that with Batman whipping out 9-B feats while tortured and half dead,, 9-B is def not the cap.

My only concern is that I haven't actually gone through all of this Batman's comics so I don't actually know if there's lots of anti-feats or contradictory showings just laying around. Though iirc Armor did Man-Bat, who's obviously a Batman dude, maybe he'd know something, but the 8-C feat being proposed is over 23 times higher than the dura feat, it's support, but I wouldn't call it confirmation.

Atm I'm fine with 9-A based on the dura feats and supporting 9-B feats, 8-C idk. But I can't speak for anyone else, maybe other people think it's fine, if others agree then shrug, personally I'll be going through Post Flash-Point stuff to spruce up the profiles around new years probably so if there's major issues I'll know eventually and if there's other feats I'd find them.
 
Well then we have two options:

1: Upgrade to 9-A rn then upgrade to 8-C later if others are fine with it

2: Wait for more input for 8-C(can someone ping some knowledgeable members please)

I will try calcing some more feats in the meantime.
 
If that's the Talon vs Batman feat it's only 9-B.
Anyway calculation page lists marble frag as 9jcc and v.frag as 62.1 - 103.42.
 
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Now we need to find the height from which the sub was dropped. From what I can see it'd easily exceed several storeys given that the Typhoon is like, THE BIGGEST SUBMARINE CLASS IN THE ENTIRE WORLD. But I'm not sure about the exact height dropped.
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The submarine is 348 pixels tall in the scan and 38 metres irl. 38/348=0.10919540229885058. The submarine is 420 pixels from the ground in the scan. 420*0.10919540229885058= 45.862068965517246. So the submarine was 45.862068965517246 metres from the ground.
 
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The submarine is 348 pixels tall in the scan and 38 metres irl. 38/348=0.10919540229885058. The submarine is 420 pixels from the ground in the scan. 420*0.10919540229885058= 45.862068965517246. So the submarine was 45.862068965517246 metres from the ground.
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We have IRL schematics in the wikipedia page for the Typhoon submarine, but you will have to convert the SVG file to PNG.

If that doesn't work, I already have the schematics converted to PNG, ready for primetime use.
 
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KLOL506 said:
Here is the link and the pixel-scaling.

Typhoon length (Red) is 1716px or 175 m.

Its main body height (Orange) is 166px.

Main Body Height: 175 * (166/1716)= 16.9289044289 m
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The front nose (Blue) is 30px.

Front nose diameter: 175 * (30/1716)= 3.05944055944 m

Area of impact on nose: pi * (3.05944055944/2)^2 = 7.35146546104 m^2

We need to find the difference between Deathstroke's cross-sectional area and the submarine's frontal nose impact area now.

Deathstroke is 6ft 4in and 225 lbs. Putting the values here, we get a surface area of 2.34 m^2. But we need the cross-sectional area, as only one side gets affected, his front. Usually 40-50% that of surface area, but given Slade's bulk, let's just use 50%.

0.5 * 2.34= 1.17

Ratio: (1.17/7.35146546104)= 0.15915194136x

Now we just need to multiply that ratio with the Potential Energy of the Submarine.
 
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The submarine is 348 pixels tall in the scan and 38 metres irl. 38/348=0.10919540229885058. The submarine is 420 pixels from the ground in the scan. 420*0.10919540229885058= 45.862068965517246. So the submarine was 45.862068965517246 metres from the ground.
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The top flat thingy on the submarine is more usable I'd argue, because the sub is at an angle.

Which means I have to pixel-scale the submarine image again. PAIN.
 
Imgur is acting screwy with me because of VPN because Bangladesh blocked it, so I am forced to upload it to Fandom for the time being.

Submarine pictures here and here.

Schematics. Sub is 1716px or 175 m long. The top thingy (Green) is 57px.

Top thingy: 175 * (57/1716)= 5.81293706294 m

Actual feat images here and here.

In the comic, the sub top thingy (Also Green) is 94px. The height between the sub and ground (Red) is 420px.

Height of fall: 5.81293706294 * (420/94)= 25.9726975153 m. I'mma round it off to 25.9727 m

Displacement Mass of the submarine: 48000 metric tons or 4.8e+7 kg

PE: mgh

PE: 4.8e+7 * 9.81 * 25.9727 = 1.2230024976e+10 J or 2.92304612237094 tons of TNT (High 8-C, Large Building level)

Now, given the above ratio:

KLOL506 said:
The front nose (Blue) is 30px.

Front nose diameter: 175 * (30/1716)= 3.05944055944 m

Area of impact on nose: pi * (3.05944055944/2)^2 = 7.35146546104 m^2

We need to find the difference between Deathstroke's cross-sectional area and the submarine's frontal nose impact area now.

Deathstroke is 6ft 4in and 225 lbs. Putting the values here, we get a surface area of 2.34 m^2. But we need the cross-sectional area, as only one side gets affected, his front. Usually 40-50% that of surface area, but given Slade's bulk, let's just use 50%.

0.5 * 2.34= 1.17

Ratio: (1.17/7.35146546104)= 0.15915194136x

Now we just need to multiply that ratio with the Potential Energy of the Submarine.
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Energy tanked by Slade: 1.2230024976e+10 * (1.17/7.35146546104)= 1.94643221787e+9 J or 0.4652084650740917 tons of TNT (8-C, Building level)
 
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KLOL506 said:
Imgur is acting screwy with me because of VPN because Bangladesh blocked it, so I am forced to upload it to Fandom for the time being.

Submarine pictures here and here.

Schematics. Sub is 1716px or 175 m long. The top thingy (Green) is 57px.

Top thingy: 175 * (57/1716)= 5.81293706294 m

Actual feat images here and here.

In the comic, the sub top thingy (Also Green) is 94px. The height between the sub and ground (Red) is 420px.

Height of fall: 5.81293076294 * (420/94)= 25.9726693663 m. I'mma round it off to 25.97267 m

Displacement Mass of the submarine: 48000 metric tons or 4.8e+7 kg

PE: mgh

PE: 4.8e+7 * 9.81 * 25.97267 = 1.22300108496e+10 J or 2.923042746080306 tons of TNT (High 8-C, Large Building level)

Now, given the above ratio:



Energy tanked by Slade: 1.22300108496e+10 * (1.17/7.35146546104)= 1.94642996963e+9 J or 0.4652079277318356 tons of TNT (8-C, Building level)
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That's great, we got another 8-C feat!
 
Came back from retirement from this and I just wanna point out that Deathstroke's Rebirth feat is absolutely up there and I'd recommend getting some non explosive feats. This Doc has a few we could look at (Rush busting a concrete wall would be good) and the street tiers either directly scale or backscale from them. Secondly we need to consider Deathstroke, his DCYou Series for instance has him far weaker then his normal level (I believe it's implied he's at haklf strength) and his 2011 run has him decked out in Nth Metal armour that evens the odds with Hawkman (this includes the Submarine feat)
 
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