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DC Comics - 8-C Batman

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Btw, should we make a feat box for Batman and lads depending on how we upgrade them (Or maybe just Batman and a main dudes), having all relevant feats as well as supporting feats listed and sourced on the profile would be best imo, I wouldn't mind taking care of that.
That's what I've been doing with my overhauls (Part 7 lads, DIO (Just finished, gonna add anime clips for him as the episodes come out tomorrow, then probably dropping him), Baoh, DCAU Batman, MGS lads (Snake atm has like, a good 200 links in his covering physicals, skill/intel, speed and equipment) etc).
Feat boxes I've come to enjoy, having all the feats in raw format there and accessible is very helpful, basically mini (or huge, thanks Big Boss) respect threads.

If there's any dudes who scale somehow, as above, mention them ig, I'll go dig through shit to see if they got anything.
 
Confluctor said:
Are these all who will be affected? What about silencer, for example?
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No, there are some others that would be affected, like Joker and Punchline with our current standards but I am not sure if characters like Punchline should actually scale.
 
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Chariot190 said:
Btw, should we make a feat box for Batman and lads depending on how we upgrade them (Or maybe just Batman and a main dudes), having all relevant feats as well as supporting feats listed and sourced on the profile would be best imo, I wouldn't mind taking care of that.
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Some profiles have a "feats" section. We can list them there
 
Transcending said:
Batman and co. were agreed to be given Class 25 LS. We are currently discussing if we should go for a full on 8-C rating or a Likely 8-C rating. For that, Confluctor asked for a scaling chain of affected characters, which I gave here
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Damn, that's awesome, that's a massive upgrade from what I expected, I honestly was gonna stay satisfied at Batman being Class 5 via ripping a robot head off but this is certainly great.
 
Hellbeast said:
Also does Midnighter have anything? I swear Batman scales to him via Dick
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Couldn't find anything other than Etrigan/Apollo level stuff, which I don't think I need to explain why we can't use.

Grifter scales to Midnighter though.
 
Transcending said:
Basically, Batman (Post-Flashpoint) needs to be upgraded to 8-C based on this accepted calc. Simple enough.

EDIT: After a lot of discussion, our feat list has increased. Here's our current list:

8-C

1: Batman survives the explosion of a submarine
2: Deathstroke gets sent to the water gulag(he gets a submarine thrown at him basically)
3: Blight causes a shockwave (8-C+)
4: Wizard survives a blast

9-A

1: A weakened Batman tanks an RPG
2: Batman gets slammed into concrete
3: Deathstroke no-sells an explosion
4: A heavily weakened Batman tanks his boat exploding
5: Batman tanks the top of a skyscraper exploding(9-A+)
6: Batman gets smashed through a wall
7: Batman easily survives the explosion of a bus
8: Bane shatters steel
9: Clayface smashes the ground
10: Grodd smashes Wally through several walls

Potentially 9-A

1: Tanks a tank shell, depending on the shell it can get upto 9-A but can also be as low as 9-B

The discussion isn't done and some calcs are pending evaluation and others are being made. More feats are also being found out.
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Confluctor said:
Can someone create a proper scaling chain for the characters affected? Like who scales exactly, who upscales, and who downscales. It will make it easier to decide which calc we should use. I.e. 9A or 8C
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Transcending said:
Batman- 8C(has a direct calc)
Deathstroke- 8C(has a direct calc and superior to Batman)
Bane- 8C(comparable to Batman and capable of defeating him)
Batman Who Laughs- 8C(comparable to Batman)
Cassandra Cain- 8C(comparable to Batman. Also her profile needs some updates)
Wally West- 8C(scales to his PC version which scales to the Wizard)
Clayface- 8C(comparable to Batman)
Barry Allen- 8C(should scale to Wally)
Godspeed- 8C(Scales to Barry)
Grifter- 8C(scales to Batman)
KGBeast- 8C(scales to Bane)
Plastic Man- 8C(scales to Batman)
Reverse Flash- 8C(scales to Barry Allen)

I missed a few but this should cover the majority and give a general idea.
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@Eficiente @Qawsedf234 @SuperAPM @Firestorm808 @EmperorRorepme @Ehnkr2beboh @Deagonx @Elizio33 @LordTracer @MarvelFanatic119 @catzlaflame @Armorchompy @Kulf_Boba @LephyrTheRevanchist @Alonik @Gasper @Chariot190 @Confluctor @Maverick_Zero_X

Do you think that we should apply "At least 9-A, likely 8-C" or "8-C" to Batman-level characters based on the above information?

Transcending said:
The ones for 8-C are in the OP. For Class 25:

1: Batman breaks off the door of an aeroplane mid-flight This requires 10.7 tons of force and Batman did this with a single hand casually.

2: Deathstroke does the same thing

3: Black Canary pushes(?) off an aeroplane door

4: Bane can lift 15 tons on venom, Venom increases Bane's muscle mass by 30%, and 70% of 15 is 10.5

5: Killer Croc can lift a school bus average of which weighs around 11.453207 tons

6: Red Hood lifts up a collapsing roof average of which is around 12.9375 tons

There's also Nightwing apparently lifting a 30 ton boulder by pushing himself past his limits but the calc of that wasn't posted. There's some other useful things to calc but I am not sure how to calc.
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Also, what do you think about this?
 
Antvasima said:
Do you think that we should apply "At least 9-A, likely 8-C" or "8-C" to Batman-level characters based on the above information?
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It seems valid to me, though I am not great at calculations or verifying calculations.
 
9-A is 100% consistent, the fact there's probably a good 30-40 other 9-A feats too we just haven't calced confirms it for me.

In regards to 8-C, I'm fine with it now, it's not as consistent as 9-A, but there's stuff for it, including a few feats we haven't done yet probably eyeballing a few.
In regards to that I'm neutral with whatever we wanna go with. But personally I'd be fine with
"At least 9-A+ (The building feat klol did), likely 8-C"
"At least 9-A, likely 8-C"
"At least 9-A, at most 8-C"
"At least 9-A+, at most 8-C"
"Likely 8-C"
"At least 9-A+, likely higher"
Etc. Any combination of that (they're effectively all the same). Though if Owlman feat ends up 8-C, I'd be fine with just a solid 8-C, I've done the last of the pixel scaling, just gotta add it to sandbox in a few (busy ATM washing dogs).

But as said, I'm basically fine with whatever now, we got feats, we got supporting feats, and in terms of anti-feats I found very few. So if people want straight 8-C, I won't argue it.
 
Okay. I suppose that we are leaning toward using plain 8-C ratings then. However, the accepted calculations in tier 9-A should preferably also be listed in our DC Comics verse page.
 
I also remember Transcending fixing up the submarine calc with the Ohio-class end and it still wielding 8-C, that one should be used instead.
 
Either 8-C or 9-A+, likely 8-C are the options I would go with.

Though as mentioned keeping them at 9-A is still valid, as its a more consistent generally populated feat tier for them.
 
Transcending said:
Basically, Batman (Post-Flashpoint) needs to be upgraded to 8-C based on this accepted calc. Simple enough.

EDIT: After a lot of discussion, our feat list has increased. Here's our current list:

8-C

1: Batman survives the explosion of a submarine
2: Deathstroke gets sent to the water gulag(he gets a submarine thrown at him basically)
3: Blight causes a shockwave (8-C+)
4: Weather Wizard survives a blast

9-A

1: A weakened Batman tanks an RPG
2: Batman gets slammed into concrete
3: Deathstroke no-sells an explosion
4: A heavily weakened Batman tanks his boat exploding
5: Batman tanks the top of a skyscraper exploding(9-A+)
6: Batman gets smashed through a wall
7: Batman easily survives the explosion of a bus
8: Bane shatters steel
9: Clayface smashes the ground
10: Grodd smashes Wally through several walls

Potentially 9-A

1: Tanks a tank shell, depending on the shell it can get upto 9-A but can also be as low as 9-B

The discussion isn't done and some calcs are pending evaluation and others are being made. More feats are also being found out.
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In the OP.
 
Weather Wizard is a Flash enemy so he probably does scale.
But I'll try to find an example of them throwing hands off reddit or something or maybe I'll just go to DC database and look up the specific issues he's in and skim those.

Give me a little bit.
 
I’m sure he does scale, I would just prefer that we have actual proof of that on the profile.
 
Transcending said:
Agrees with 8-C= @Tarang123, @Divini, @Ican'tthinkof1goodname, @Greenshifter, @Propellus, @CowHeadGod, @Da_Lunge_Fish, @Confluctor, @KLOL506, @Qawsedf234, @LephyrTheRevanchist, @Hellbeast

Agrees with 9-A+, Likely 8-C=@Chariot190, @Maverick_Zero_X (?), @Antvasima

Not sure about @Deagonx's position.
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Just to clarify, I am fine with either option.

Anyway, I will go on a kind of vacation until September 7, so I am afraid that I won't be able to help you with properly applying this revision.

Maybe @Elizhaa or @Damage3245 will be willing to help you unlock and lock pages for this revision?
 
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