DBZ TOEI: 4-A needs serious fixing

[StrymULTRA]

In our Toeiverse AP blog, we have this:

Serious Death Ball²​

This one is even more straightforward, since we can just steal the value from the low-end of the Serious Punch² calc, as all the math would apply to Freeza's feat.

4 * 5.693E+41 * (3.7843e+19/6.957e+8)^2 = 6.7379578e+63 Joules or 67.4 ExaFoe (Multi-Solar System level)

However using the Garou's feat is totally unacceptable as we not only use a feat from another verse, but we have visuals for Frieza's feat. I made a calc and it ended up at being 1.36 ExaFoe, which, while still 4-A, is 49.56 times lower.

Not to mention that all the scans used to back Garlic creating that pocket realm, or why it's 4-A in the first place, are dead, as they're all uploaded from Discord, making its reliability very small now.

Meaning that in this thread will have not only a discussion on how the recalc of Frieza's feat will have an impact on the current TOEIverse scaling, but also discussing Garlic Jr's thing and how to upload the scans in a more reliable website (Imgur, Imgbb or Gyazo).

 

[Damage3245]

Sure, makes sense.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Sure, makes sense.

I'll make it clear that I dunno much of the Toei anime, but...

At least FTL+ (Evaded a punch from Gohan with ease[12]), lower with Gigantification (Still managed to keep up with Piccolo despite his reduced speed[10])

Isn't he supposed to be after Frieza?

 

[Ednaxel2]

Not to mention that all the scans used to back Garlic creating that pocket realm, or why it's 4-A in the first place, are dead, as they're all uploaded from Discord, making its reliability very small now.

Boom shakalaka

 

[StrymULTRA]

Boom shakalaka

Now that's better.

Anyway... what is to discuss now is how the Frieza's lower calc impacts the Toei scaling, as every rating that's 4-A or above of that verse bases itself on it, with Garlic Jr's feat being merely a supportive one, despite it being 67.55 ExaFoe even now.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I agree

 

[StrymULTRA]

Actually why is x2 the radius of the Starry Sky taken here?

Is it because the Zone is supposedly able to have both these realms inside of it while supposedly being a perfect sphere as well?

 

[Infinitinet]

Seems fine to me.

 

[Ednaxel2]

I'll make it clear that I dunno much of the Toei anime, but...

At least FTL+ (Evaded a punch from Gohan with ease[12]), lower with Gigantification (Still managed to keep up with Piccolo despite his reduced speed[10])

Isn't he supposed to be after Frieza?

We can't really compare him to Frieza at all, they're both 4-A but that's due to entirely separate feats. Toei's speed ratings also need a lot of updating though.

Anyway... what is to discuss now is how the Frieza's lower calc impacts the Toei scaling, as every rating that's 4-A or above of that verse bases itself on it, with Garlic Jr's feat being merely a supportive one, despite it being 67.55 ExaFoe even now.

Here's my take

Spoiler: With new calc + without Grade 3 multiplier

Frieza Saga​

• Goku post-Zenkai is 1/20th of his Kaioken x20: 68 PettaFoe (Multi-Solar System level)
  • Kaio-ken x10 increases his power tenfold: 680 PettaFoe (Multi-Solar System level)
  • Kaio-ken x20 allows him to reach levels comparable to 50% Freeza: 1.36 ExaFoe
  • (Multi-Solar System level)
  • Super Saiyan increases his power 50-fold: 3.4 ExaFoe (Multi-Solar System level)
• 50% Final Form Frieza can destroy innumerable stars: 1.36 ExaFoe (Multi-Solar System level)
• 100% Final Form Frieza: 2.72 ExaFoe (Multi-Solar System level)

Garlic Jr./Android Saga​

• Mecha Frieza is 10x his previous 50% self: 13.6 ExaFoe (Multi-Solar System level)
• Garlic Jr.'s Dead Zone threatens to destroy two starry skies. Krillin scales to Garlic Jr.: 67.55 ExaFoe (Multi-Solar System level)
• Base Goku (Cooler's Revenge) is stronger than Post-Garlic Jr. Saga Krillin and 100% Final Form Frieza. Third Form Cooler scales to him: >67.55 ExaFoe (Multi-Solar System level)
  • Kaio-ken x10 Goku: >675.5 ExaFoe (Multi-Solar System level)
  • Kaio-ken x20 Goku, Final Form Cooler can easily overpower him: >1.351 ZettaFoe (Multi-Solar System level)
  • Super Saiyan Goku increases 50x his base: >3.3775 ZettaFoe (Multi-Solar System level)

Cell Saga​

• Imperfect Cell and Android 17 are superior to Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta: >3.3775 ZettaFoe (Multi-Solar System level)
  • Imperfect Cell adds Android 17's power onto himself and becomes Semi-Perfect Cell: >6.755 ZettaFoe (Multi-Solar System level+)
• Super Saiyan Grade 1 Trunks can stop Semi-Perfect Cell in his tracks. Vegeta is equal to or superior to him: >6.755 ZettaFoe (Multi-Solar System level+)
  • Base Trunks and Vegeta are 50x weaker: >135.1 ExaFoe (Multi-Solar System level)

Cell Games​

• Super Saiyan Goku is superior to all of the other Z fighters with just 50% of his power, except Gohan who is stronger than him. SSJ Goku and Gohan: >13.51 ZettaFoe (Galaxy level)
  • Base Goku and Gohan are 50x weaker: >270.2 ExaFoe (Multi-Solar System level)
  • Super Saiyan 2 Gohan is 2x Super Saiyan, Super Perfect Cell matches him: >27.02 ZettaFoe (Galaxy level)

Other World Tournament​

• Weighted Paikuhan two-shots Super Perfect Cell, and base Goku after getting stronger is comparable to him: >27.02 ZettaFoe (Galaxy level)
  • Super Saiyan Goku is 50x stronger: >1.351 YottaFoe (Galaxy level)
  • Super Kaio-ken is 2x Super Saiyan: >2.702 YottaFoe (Galaxy level)

Everyone beyond this point (Buu Saga and up) are either High 3-A or 2-C.

The Pikkon thread is still being discussed so this is just a hypothetical. Incase it gets resolved and accepted, Cell games Gohan in all his forms and everyone who scales to him will be High 3-A (as well as Super Perfect Cell), and Pikkon would just be 4-A with weights and 3-C without weights.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Agree with the OP.

 

[StrymULTRA]

We can't really compare him to Frieza at all, they're both 4-A but that's due to entirely separate feats. Toei's speed ratings also need a lot of updating though.

Here's my take

Spoiler: With new calc + without Grade 3 multiplier

Frieza Saga​

• Goku post-Zenkai is 1/20th of his Kaioken x20: 68 PettaFoe (Multi-Solar System level)
  • Kaio-ken x10 increases his power tenfold: 680 PettaFoe (Multi-Solar System level)
  • Kaio-ken x20 allows him to reach levels comparable to 50% Freeza: 1.36 ExaFoe
  • (Multi-Solar System level)
  • Super Saiyan increases his power 50-fold: 3.4 ExaFoe (Multi-Solar System level)
• 50% Final Form Frieza can destroy innumerable stars: 1.36 ExaFoe (Multi-Solar System level)
• 100% Final Form Frieza: 2.72 ExaFoe (Multi-Solar System level)

Garlic Jr./Android Saga​

• Mecha Frieza is 10x his previous 50% self: 13.6 ExaFoe (Multi-Solar System level)
• Garlic Jr.'s Dead Zone threatens to destroy two starry skies. Krillin scales to Garlic Jr.: 67.55 ExaFoe (Multi-Solar System level)
• Base Goku (Cooler's Revenge) is stronger than Post-Garlic Jr. Saga Krillin and 100% Final Form Frieza. Third Form Cooler scales to him: >67.55 ExaFoe (Multi-Solar System level)
  • Kaio-ken x10 Goku: >675.5 ExaFoe (Multi-Solar System level)
  • Kaio-ken x20 Goku, Final Form Cooler can easily overpower him: >1.351 ZettaFoe (Multi-Solar System level)
  • Super Saiyan Goku increases 50x his base: >3.3775 ZettaFoe (Multi-Solar System level)

Cell Saga​

• Imperfect Cell and Android 17 are superior to Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta: >3.3775 ZettaFoe (Multi-Solar System level)
  • Imperfect Cell adds Android 17's power onto himself and becomes Semi-Perfect Cell: >6.755 ZettaFoe (Multi-Solar System level+)
• Super Saiyan Grade 1 Trunks can stop Semi-Perfect Cell in his tracks. Vegeta is equal to or superior to him: >6.755 ZettaFoe (Multi-Solar System level+)
  • Base Trunks and Vegeta are 50x weaker: >135.1 ExaFoe (Multi-Solar System level)

Cell Games​

• Super Saiyan Goku is superior to all of the other Z fighters with just 50% of his power, except Gohan who is stronger than him. SSJ Goku and Gohan: >13.51 ZettaFoe (Galaxy level)
  • Base Goku and Gohan are 50x weaker: >270.2 ExaFoe (Multi-Solar System level)
  • Super Saiyan 2 Gohan is 2x Super Saiyan, Super Perfect Cell matches him: >27.02 ZettaFoe (Galaxy level)

Other World Tournament​

• Weighted Paikuhan two-shots Super Perfect Cell, and base Goku after getting stronger is comparable to him: >27.02 ZettaFoe (Galaxy level)
  • Super Saiyan Goku is 50x stronger: >1.351 YottaFoe (Galaxy level)
  • Super Kaio-ken is 2x Super Saiyan: >2.702 YottaFoe (Galaxy level)

Everyone beyond this point (Buu Saga and up) are either High 3-A or 2-C.

The Pikkon thread is still being discussed so this is just a hypothetical. Incase it gets resolved and accepted, Cell games Gohan in all his forms and everyone who scales to him will be High 3-A (as well as Super Perfect Cell), and Pikkon would just be 4-A with weights and 3-C without weights.

Are we really saying that Krillin at that point is much stronger than that Frieza?

Also we can discuss speed scaling here if it's fucky.

 

[Ednaxel2]

Are we really saying that Krillin at that point is much stronger than that Frieza?

Yes

Also we can discuss speed scaling here if it's fucky.

I'm planning on making a thread on that, plus that's a bit off topic from where we started so lets not derail

 

[StrymULTRA]

Yes

Dunno about it, unless there has been a timeskip between Trunks' first coming and Garlic Jr saga here.