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so what else could he be describing using the term Mugen if it were not the vastness of the deadzone
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Low 2-C Deadzone upgrade
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Lonkitt just described what else it could be
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What about the Soul Manipulation stuff?
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Infinite is obviously referring how they’d be stuck in there forever. Hell is referring to how being in the Deadzone would obviously be a terrible experience. “Infinite hell” isn’t a new phrase, people use it all the time to describe a lot of stuff that isn’t Low 2-C sized realms
Believe it or not, infinite doesn’t have to always refer to something actually being infinite
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I’m neutral
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“Freezing your body and soul” can be torturous in itself. Torture via lack of stimuli and inability to do anything
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They wouldn't be stuck in there forever though, its stated they would just die. So is it being a "hell of darkness" also not true?
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They’d be continuously tormented in the way I said above until they’d die. It’s that simple
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Again….ignoring the context
Garlic Jr was using the term infinite hell to refer to how they would be stuck in their forever. That much is true, that can’t escape by conventional means. Just because they die there doesn’t mean it’s false
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Then it wouldn't be infinite if they would just die
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They’d be stuck there forever, just as a corpse
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People here are essentially stonewalling a very obvious metaphor used by Garlic Jr and twisting it into Low 2-C. Sometimes the most simple/obvious explanation is the truest, and in that case, it sure as hell isn’t Garlic Jr calling the realm infinite
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You didn't answer my question, is garlic jr calling it, "a hell of darkness" not true?
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Hell of darkness is a statement with no weight carried to it. It doesn’t suggest anything Tier 2, let alone Tier 3
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I'm saying this because he literally describes the deadzone as a hell of darkness, and an infinite hell. Hell in and of itself means an unpleasant place of whatever you want to call it, but he's adding context before it to describe it.
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disagree fra this whole thread is stupid
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yeah aight
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That….doesn’t support your argument. Fun fact, you can have a pocket dimension the size of a house and it could be pitch black. Doesn’t change anything
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And we’ve described what both of these statements mean. Definitely nothing that suggests 3-A/High 3-A/Low 2-C
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Isn't 'Mugen' never used in the context of time? Wouldn't 'Eien' be used if that was the case?
It's the difference in saying 'Get stuck in this infinite hell' and 'Get stuck in this hell forever'. They do not have the same meaning, if you ask me.
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I think it does, because it clearly shows him describing it, while also giving us watchers context.
What does this have to do with anything?
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Cool. Still doesn’t make it Low 2-C
Calling the realm dark doesn’t do anything for the size
Point being, my disagreement stands. Sorry
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If I can get a response to this, I'd be satisfied
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Lmao who said calling the realm dark determines its size? What i'm saying is that garlic jr clearly calls it a hell while describing, saying its dark, and saying its infinite. He's saying the characteristics of it verbatim.
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Not quite. Although what you’re saying isn’t untrue, its the same case is English. Infinite isn’t a word generally meant in regards to time, yet we often use it in that regard. Given the context of Garlic Jr’s statement, we know he isn’t talking about the size and is referring to time
Cool. Still doesn’t support Low 2-C
I’m done talking about this
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We'd also give Garlic Jr. resistance to Soul Manip if we accept it having the former
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and to Toei Shenron since he gave him the immortality
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To my knowledge, the most direct translation of 'Mugen' in English would be 'unlimited', which unlike Infinite makes absolutely no sense to mean time in this particular scenario and context.
Do you think it'd be a good idea to get a translator's point of view on this subject before going further?
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thoughts?
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Honestly? No. It’s not that deep. We know what context Garlic Jr meant, it’s just not obvious to everyone, apparently
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Bruh what? So you are just going to disregard it completely? "
Well maybe in your point of view, we still have people, including me who are arguing this point, so stop acting like its the end all be all.
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