Danganronpa Luck

[BakiHanma18]

On Makoto Naegi's page, it says his luck "isn't nearly as powerful as Komaeda's...", but upon first meeting Naegi, Komaeda almost instant remarks that Naegi's luck "far exceeds" his own. Why is it that his page says his luck is weaker, directly conflicting with Komaeda's statement? Wouldn't it be more apt to say Naegi's luck doesn't present itself often, but is incredibly potent when it does appear? And of course there's the fact that Naegi's luck is largely defensive as opposed to Komaeda's luck which can serve just about any purpose, but still, if something required luck to survive, like an attack or curse or something, it would seem in that instance, Naegi's luck is superior

Komaeda saying Naegi's luck is better

https://youtu.be/wYfY2qXMhWM

 

[ElixirBlue]

I completely agree that needs to be changed.

For those who still thinks Komaede has the stronger luck, I'm taking NeoSuperior's words on the matter from another thread to quote.

NeoSuperior "The way I remember it, Naegi's luck is more of a "plot armor" kind of luck that prevents any fatalities to himself, considering there is no ending in any of the games or anime where he dies or even "loses" in the sense of not being able to come back as long as he keeps his hope. For example, only for him did Alter Ego reawaken to save him, but not for Kirigiri. Not sure how the wiki treats it, but his plot armor even works to the extent of "not giving up" = rewriting causality to undo his loss (unless this is just considered a "mere game mechanic").

The only exception was IIRC the Danganronpa 2 final trial, where Hajime was essentially under the same effects but took precedence. Or perhaps it was about the fact that Naegi placed his hope on Hinata's group and essentially passed the agency to him that way, or perhaps his "luck" was "preoccupied" with canceling out Junko's despair inducement that normally works like a mindhax on pretty much every single character other than Naegi.

Nagito on the other hand despite having "in general" far superior luck, doesn't neccessarily always get the result he wants and his death doesn't neccessarily get prevented either. His luck is also not retroactive causal, e.g. the one who actually killed him didn't "change" to someone else when the group used his luck itself as a datapoint to determine the culprit, making it weaker compared to Naegi in a "death battle" if we assume the causality game mechanic to count."

 

[BakiHanma18]

I completely agree that needs to be changed.
For those who still thinks Komaede has the stronger luck, I'm taking NeoSuperior's words on the matter from another thread to quote.

NeoSuperior "The way I remember it, Naegi's luck is more of a "plot armor" kind of luck that prevents any fatalities to himself, considering there is no ending in any of the games or anime where he dies or even "loses" in the sense of not being able to come back as long as he keeps his hope. For example, only for him did Alter Ego reawaken to save him, but not for Kirigiri. Not sure how the wiki treats it, but his plot armor even works to the extent of "not giving up" = rewriting causality to undo his loss (unless this is just considered a "mere game mechanic").

The only exception was IIRC the Danganronpa 2 final trial, where Hajime was essentially under the same effects but took precedence. Or perhaps it was about the fact that Naegi placed his hope on Hinata's group and essentially passed the agency to him that way, or perhaps his "luck" was "preoccupied" with canceling out Junko's despair inducement that normally works like a mindhax on pretty much every single character other than Naegi.

Nagito on the other hand despite having "in general" far superior luck, doesn't neccessarily always get the result he wants and his death doesn't neccessarily get prevented either. His luck is also not retroactive causal, e.g. the one who actually killed him didn't "change" to someone else when the group used his luck itself as a datapoint to determine the culprit, making it weaker compared to Naegi in a "death battle" if we assume the causality game mechanic to count."

I might do a CRT and use that quote and Nagito's statement as proof that Naegi's profile needs changing

 

[BakiHanma18]

I completely agree that needs to be changed.
For those who still thinks Komaede has the stronger luck, I'm taking NeoSuperior's words on the matter from another thread to quote.

NeoSuperior "The way I remember it, Naegi's luck is more of a "plot armor" kind of luck that prevents any fatalities to himself, considering there is no ending in any of the games or anime where he dies or even "loses" in the sense of not being able to come back as long as he keeps his hope. For example, only for him did Alter Ego reawaken to save him, but not for Kirigiri. Not sure how the wiki treats it, but his plot armor even works to the extent of "not giving up" = rewriting causality to undo his loss (unless this is just considered a "mere game mechanic").

The only exception was IIRC the Danganronpa 2 final trial, where Hajime was essentially under the same effects but took precedence. Or perhaps it was about the fact that Naegi placed his hope on Hinata's group and essentially passed the agency to him that way, or perhaps his "luck" was "preoccupied" with canceling out Junko's despair inducement that normally works like a mindhax on pretty much every single character other than Naegi.

Nagito on the other hand despite having "in general" far superior luck, doesn't neccessarily always get the result he wants and his death doesn't neccessarily get prevented either. His luck is also not retroactive causal, e.g. the one who actually killed him didn't "change" to someone else when the group used his luck itself as a datapoint to determine the culprit, making it weaker compared to Naegi in a "death battle" if we assume the causality game mechanic to count."

I have the CRT up, I'll link it if you'd like to comment

 

[BakiHanma18]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3590783#9