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Cross Marian Vs Zagred

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Word magic counters that
How?

passive powernull
1: That only effects Spells created through Mana, Innocence and Mana can't be equalized so that Power Nullification doesn't work.

2: It only works if your magic is massively higher than the person who's casting the spell, this is why Zagred didn't negate either Licht's nor Lumiere's Magic because both Licht and Lumiere are comparable enough to Zagred, Cross is massively above both its not even funny.
 
That doesn't make sense, how is he supposed to power through Zagred's Reality Warping?
Zagred can just say vanish or return and the bullets would
vanish is only for other magic spells, return will do nothing as these bullets are homing bullets they'll just home back on Zagred.
 
vanish is only for other magic spells, return will do nothing as these bullets are homing bullets they'll just home back on Zagred.
When was vanish said to be only for magic spells?
Zagred's word can affect both magic and matter, shown and stated. The only limitations he has are specific types of magic such as Dark Magic, and living beings, as he can't tell them do die
 
When was vanish said to be only for magic spells?
Someone in this thread told me that also vanish is apparently power null and the bullets which are purifying bullets and holy bullets so vanish
isn't gonna nullify it
 
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"Vanish" has only shown to work against Magical Attacks. We don't assume since Zagred can manipulate matter it means he can "Vanish" physical matter.

That takes way more assumptions compared to me only claiming that it only works against Magical Attacks, which is shown to be true within the series.

Hell if "Vanish" did work against Physical Matter why didn't he just "Vanish" both Licht and Lumiere from Existence? or "Vanish" Yami's Katana from Existence?
 
"Vanish" has only shown to work against Magical Attacks. We don't assume since Zagred can manipulate matter it means he can "Vanish" physical matter.

That takes way more assumptions compared to me only claiming that it only works against Magical Attacks, which is shown to be true within the series.

Hell if "Vanish" did work against Physical Matter why didn't he just "Vanish" both Licht and Lumiere from Existence? or "Vanish" Yami's Katana from Existence?
Plot convenience like the rest of stories across fiction
 
"Vanish" has only shown to work against Magical Attacks. We don't assume since Zagred can manipulate matter it means he can "Vanish" physical matter.

That takes way more assumptions compared to me only claiming that it only works against Magical Attacks, which is shown to be true within the series.

Hell if "Vanish" did work against Physical Matter why didn't he just "Vanish" both Licht and Lumiere from Existence? or "Vanish" Yami's Katana from Existence?
It has literally been stated that he cannot make living beings Vanish. As for Yami's katana, even if he did try it wouldn't have worked as he imbues it with Dark Magic when he fights. Dark Magic interferes with Zagred's magic making it unable to affect Dark Magic
 
Plot convenience like the rest of stories across fiction
You appealing to some-sort of "Plot Convenience" and then proceeding to not explain why its "Plot Convenience" isn't an argument my guy.

Literally anyone can appeal to something within the plot, you have to prove why its some-sort of "Plot Convenience".

It has literally been stated that he cannot make living beings Vanish. As for Yami's katana, even if he did try it wouldn't have worked as he imbues it with Dark Magic when he fights. Dark Magic interferes with Zagred's magic making it unable to affect Dark Magic
Scan? given i don't remember this ever being stated and Yami's Katana isn't always imbued with Dark Magic, he actively has to imbue Dark Magic within his Katana to do things like Dimensional Slash, so again why didn't Zagred just "Vanish" Yami's Katana whilst it didn't have Dark Magic imbued into it?

Not that this even matters as i already explained, the burden of proof is on you to prove that Zagred's "Vanish" can null Physical Matter, that's all i'm asking you to prove.
 
Can we just get mods in here for a grace or whatever cause rn its just old arguments being redone and getting countered again or not going anywhere.
 
Confused?
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What's you reasoning to give this match to Zagred?
Everything about saying "crush" and Cross would be pinned in the ground?

Zagred saying "stop" and stopping the bullets, "broken to pieces" and breaking the bullets, durability negation trident, etc?

There are reasons and you are sounding like they are not valid, stop
 
Everything about saying "crush" and Cross would be pinned in the ground?
Wouldn't work since Cross's Power Nullification would nullify the gravity like Asta did against Zagred.

(And before anyone brings up "Muh Zagred Resist PN" Cross's Power Nullification scales above that version of Asta which negated Zagred's "Vacuum Wall", Cross also has Class T LS so he can resist Vacuum Wall that way as well but it hasn't been added to the profiles yet so i won't use that as an argument until it gets added)

Zagred saying "stop" and stopping the bullets, "broken to pieces" and breaking the bullets, durability negation trident, etc?
Gets negated by Judgment's Power Nullification, Power Nulled as well, Cross resists Atomic-Level Deconstruction so that isn't helping Zagred and that also gets negated by Cross's Judgment.

There are reasons and you are sounding like they are not valid, stop
They aren't as explained above, actually read the both of the profiles and both of the series next time before making such an ignorant claim like.

Cross literally resists all of Zagred's main-hax's and the ones he doesn't resist he can powernull them with Judgment while Zagred can't do anything against Judgment's Bullets which will Purify his Soul and his Devil Heart and deconstruct him on a Marco-Quantum Level.

It's a stomp in Cross's Favor.
 
Wouldn't work since Cross's Power Nullification would nullify the gravity like Asta did against Zagred.

(And before anyone brings up "Muh Zagred Resist PN" Cross's Power Nullification scales above that version of Asta which negated Zagred's "Vacuum Wall", Cross also has Class T LS so he can resist Vacuum Wall that way as well but it hasn't been added to the profiles yet so i won't use that as an argument until it gets added)


Gets negated by Judgment's Power Nullification, Power Nulled as well, Cross resists Atomic-Level Deconstruction so that isn't helping Zagred and that also gets negated by Cross's Judgment.


They aren't as explained above, actually read the both of the profiles and both of the series next time before making such an ignorant claim like.

Cross literally resists all of Zagred's main-hax's and the ones he doesn't resist he can powernull them with Judgment while Zagred can't do anything against Judgment's Bullets which will Purify his Soul and his Devil Heart and deconstruct him on a Marco-Quantum Level.

It's a stomp in Cross's Favor.
Good for you for using things that are not in his profile like Class T

And saying that Cross PN is above Asta is saying that Cross has at minimun 4 layers and his profile says NOTHING about layers, just "can PN dark matter"

What is Dark Matter? I don´t know, because the verse page says NOTHING

So I am an ignorant for not being able to read anything about dark matter, good
 
Good for you for using things that are not in his profile like Class T
Don't know if the google translate you're using to talked to me ****** up or you actually didn't even read my post.

I'm going to assume that the translation site you're using messed up.

And saying that Cross PN is above Asta is saying that Cross has at minimun 4 layers and his profile says NOTHING about layers, just "can PN dark matter"
Wanna prove that 4 layers? Neither does Asta's, goober. i can explain to you the layers for Judgment's Power Nullification if you wan't but i wan't you to prove that Asta has 4 Layers of Power Nullification first.

What is Dark Matter? I don´t know, because the verse page says NOTHING
Pieces of Earl's Soul which is used as the main power-source for all Akuma and Noah within the series, its comparable to that off Negative Mana within Black Clover. Because the verse's page is out of date and in the process of getting re-worked? like if you need clarification for anything you can ask Me or Gin and we'll tell you.

So I am an ignorant for not being able to read anything about dark matter, good
That wasn't what you were talking about.

You said that Zagred had valid win-cons and that i was intentionally trying to discredit them, i wasn't and actually explained to you why those weren't valid win-cons for Zagred.

Don't backpedal and then proceed to strawman my argument.
 
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Wanna prove that 4 layers? Neither does Asta, goober. i can explain to you the layers for Judgment's Power Nullification if you wan't but i wan't you to prove that Asta has 4 Layers of Power Nullification before i do.
Asta at the beginning of the series not being able to use Anti-magic at his full power<---- Asta after being healed by Witch Queen and being able to use Anti magic without limiting it unconsciously<----- Black Asta Anti-magic<----- Black Divider

Without Asta is:

Elves nullifying magic via his aura<----Mana Skin<--- Compass Magic amped by Elf<--- Valkyrie dress

And Zagred is superior to any elf and superior to Black Asta Anti magic, because Yuno can fight alongside Asta and not being Negged by his antimagic, Zagred just ignores that and say to both "Crush"


Pieces of Earl's Soul which is used as the main power-source for all Akuma and Noah within the series, its comparable to that off Negative Mana within Black Clover. Because the verse's page is out of date and in the process of getting re-worked? like if you need clarification for anything you can ask Me or Gin and we'll tell you.
Then I would prefer to wait until this verse is updated to talk because I hate when people brings things that are impossible to correborate myself, if anything, scans to see the logic behind everything

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Don't know if the google translate you're using to talked to me ****** up or you actually didn't even read my post.
^I don´t know why but I could not read the "I won´t be using this as an argument", it did not appeared to me the first time and I thought you were using "He has class T, but is not implemented yet"
 
Btw, if he has Class T, and he can resist the trident (which he can and I was wrong) then yes, is a stomp, because the only thing Zagred could do to win was gravity and Cross can even resist now Lucifero´s gravity
 
Asta at the beginning of the series not being able to use Anti-magic at his full power<---- Asta after being healed by Witch Queen and being able to use Anti magic without limiting it unconsciously<----- Black Asta Anti-magic<----- Black Divider

Without Asta is:

Elves nullifying magic via his aura<----Mana Skin<--- Compass Magic amped by Elf<--- Valkyrie dress

And Zagred is superior to any elf and superior to Black Asta Anti magic, because Yuno can fight alongside Asta and not being Negged by his antimagic, Zagred just ignores that and say to both "Crush"
Literally no scans nor in-depth explanations of why any of these different versions of Asta scale above the other in-terms of the potency of their Power Nullification to the point of them being considered an entire different layer, like you do know that a ability can scale above another without that ability possessing an entire different layer as the other? this post doesn't prove there's a big enough difference between the other version to qualify as a entirely different layer.

So since you haven't given any scans nor in-depth explanations about how any of these different versions of Asta have completely different levels of layers between them i'll give you the same level of evidence you've gave me.




Baseline Innocence > Level 2 Akuma > Cross a Allen Walker > Level 3 Akuma > Crown Clown Allen Walker > Tyki Mikk's Fullpower > Sword of Exorcism > Tyki's Noah-Form > Cross's Judgment.

So even lowballing this scaling chain, Cross has 9 layers of Power Nullification which is way above anything you've posted for Asta so he's getting nulled, even going by your scaling.

Then I would prefer to wait until this verse is updated to talk because I hate when people brings things that are impossible to correborate myself, if anything, scans to see the logic behind everything
Ironic considering that literally NOTHING on the verses page nor profiles prove Asta's Layers. Literally most profiles and verse pages on the wiki don't provide layers so i don't know why you're holding D.Gray-Man's verses page/profiles to such a high standered but not Black Clover's.

But to let you know the verse is getting two blogs here in the coming weeks which will explain all of the inherent hax's of both Innocence and Dark Matter more way more in-depth then they currently do, it'll explain the energy-systems of both and will give layers to all the hax's as well.
 
No worth my effort to explain anything when you in the whole thread did not bother to do the same

Unfollowing, ignoring our arguments as usual
 
No worth my effort to explain anything when you in the whole thread did not bother to do the same

Unfollowing, ignoring our arguments as usual
You've basically just said "I can't provided evidence for all the claims I've made since i'm actually just a goon for Black Clover" with the top half of your post.

I'm not? like i'm literally addressing your arguments and debunking them, how is that me ignoring your arguments?.

K. Unfollow then, i literally don't care.

Concession Accepted.
 
No worth my effort to explain anything when you in the whole thread did not bother to do the same

Unfollowing, ignoring our arguments as usual
I mean he literally did explain to me earlier about why exorcists would count as holy enough to harm devils in BC. He explained that over multiple posts.
You made like 1 post, got asked for clarification then immediately rage quit the argument. Why even partake if you're that uninvested?
 
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