Big Fairy Tail AP and Speed CRT

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

So CNBA3 made a bunch of calcs that add a bunch of upgrades to the chracters, since 3 calc members agreed to his cals, that means we need to discuss whether or not the calcs are outliers or not and if they make sense in the story, as well my Deus Sema Calc has been upgraded from 228 Gigatons to 500 Gigatons, and Erzas speed has gone from around Mach 6000 to Baseline Sub-Relativistic

Deus Sema Calc: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DemonGodMitchAubin/Irene's_Deus_Sema_Redone

Other Calcs: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:CNBA3/Fairy_Tail_Calcs

Here are the Results of the Calcs:

AP:

Element Four individual strength based on Abyss Break = 330.78 Kilotons (Large Town level)

Iced Shell's Strength = 1.46 Megatons (Small City level)

Irene's Deus Sema = 500 Gigatons (Large Island level+)

Wall's First Attack = 11.69 Teratons (Country level)

Wall's Etherion = 724.88 Teratons (Large Country level)

Irene's Universe One = 862.96 Teratons (Continent level)

SPEED:

Weakened Erza's Speed = 1% SoL (Sub-Relativistic)

Potential Dragon Speed calc = 1% SoL (Sub-Relativistic) Not Accepted Yet

Natsu dodges Sting's Laser = 7% SoL (Sub-Relativistic+)

So let's discuss

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I'll give my opinions up front, Wall's calcs were directly denied by Don'tTalk, and they are clearly outliers as they are stronger than Deus Sema, as for Universe One, it was a hax feat, not a compression one, since the country went back to normal after Irene died, which mean no actual damaged was done, as for Iced Shell, that doesn't actually scale to anyone's natural AP as it was an ultimate suicide attack that could apparently even work on Hades, Silver, and Other way stronger people, so that doesn't scale to anyone

But the Abyss Break Feat I'm ok with, and it makes sense

As for Speed two accepted calcs have the speed at Sub-Relativistic, and a third one that might be accepted, so I believe that we can upgrade the speed of the characters to Sub-Relativistic

Other opinions?

 

[George_Hatziantoni]

Irene's meteor is subrel+ from what I see here, can u check your math? Erza's speed is still subrel though regardless

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Yes my math is correct, you forgot to multiply the 596,480/30 by 7/10 to account for slowdown of the Meteor upon re-entry of the atmosphere, so yeah, everything in my calc is correct

 

[George_Hatziantoni]

Okay ,anyway I also agree that whal's calc seems like an outlier

 

[Captain_Torch]

Abyss break is wrong since it used the wrong volume(it basically assumed that the area of Magnolia from ground height to cathedral's top is filled with rock) and the wrong value(a nuke calculator should be used instead of assuming violent fragmentation on a non-existent crater)

Sting's "lazer" has no proof of being as fast as a real lazer so the speed is false as well.

The only correct thing here is Aubin's Deus Sema

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Characters in the alvarez arc still go to Sub-Relativistic based off erza's New Speed

 

[BlackeJan]

Abyss Break also requires certain elements in Ofer for it to even be created doesn't matter what how strong someone needs to be as long as they have that element. U should let others know about the increase of the Deus Sema

EDIT: if we can go along Sub Rel then ONLY PoF Erza and above can scale which tbh wouldn't count the Spriggans unless they are Transformed August or Dragon Irene

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

That's actually nto entirely true, Acnologia would scale to the feat, and Jellal outsped him, and Jellal is equal to Laxus, so 6-C's and above would scale to Sub-Rel, so only Larcade, August, and Irene would scale as spriggans, but Gray, Gajeel, and Natsu in their 6-C forms should scale, not all the spriggans tho

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

The likes of Gildarts should scales too, not sure about Laxus and Jellal.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Jellal outsped Acnologia and Laxus is equal to him, not to mention a bunch of other characters who can match their speed, so all 6-C's, High 6-C's and higher would scale to Sub-Rel

 

[CNBA3]

@Captain Torch, That is not how it works for that kind of calc, It is just how the entire area is effected, plus there are countless number of accepted calcs some as this one where it was just in the air with no rock and uses a higher destructive value. it is a darkness wave, not shock wave, plus it is half of Magnolia in volume. @Jans, it does matter as size determines the power output and the strength of the people(s) fueling the spell as when Aria powered up, the spell instantly finished.

Dues Sema was not at it's strongest as Irene was clearly weakened after losing most of her magic after doing the transfer twice

With Wall's Calc, it matches perfectly with other Nuclear Fusion calcs since they uses the same Radiation Energy Calc to determine the energy. Plus Don'tTalk has yet to answer my respond to his assumptions.

With Sting's Laser, it is not at Light Speed, but it is still a real laser with light, as it can bend/curve/stretch like other lasers passing through a medium.

For Iced Shell, it does scale as it is still Ur's spell and she is considered the level of the Ten Wizard Saints, which Erza, Jellal, Jose and Makarov scale to, even Silver managed to defeat Iced Shell. this is a calc used by Don'tTalk

For Irene's Feat, it was clearly stated to be compression, and we see the physical effects behind the compression as there is debris and damage, especially in the underground area, the only hax is the side effect which is teleportation, that is it. plus since all of the earth was enchanted it would make sense for the country to go back to normal the way each rock was, it is still calced by compression.

For Abys

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Jellal outsped Acnologia and Laxus is equal to him, not to mention a bunch of other characters who can match their speed, so all 6-C's, High 6-C's and higher would scale to Sub-Rel

Jella outspeed Acno is most likely PIS. He got owned by August before and the dude was an ant compares to even Human Acno.

 

[CNBA3]

don't forget that Igneel managed to match Acnologia in speed, and Natsu managed to catch Igneel as well

 

[Captain_Torch]

@CNBA3

No, the method you used is flat out wrong, and other calcers will tell you the same thing.

 

[CNBA3]

@Captain Torch, The calcers said the math is correct, three of of them which is what is required to evaluate

 

[BlackeJan]

That's actually nto entirely true, Acnologia would scale to the feat, and Jellal outsped him, and Jellal is equal to Laxus, so 6-C's and above would scale to Sub-Rel, so only Larcade, August, and Irene would scale as spriggans, but Gray, Gajeel, and Natsu in their 6-C forms should scale, not all the spriggans tho

I agree that Jellal outspeeding Acno is PIS though what u said is entirely true however again this is PoF Erza and above who should scale. Spriggans that would scale would ONLY be Transformed August and Dragon Irene

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

The people who I think should scales to her: August, Gildarts, Irene, Natsu, Zeref, Acno, Igneel.

 

[BlackeJan]

Well hey we can figure out the speed later since I think we kind of got a good grasp on it.

What we really need to do it get rid of the Calcs that are Outlier and what arent

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Natsu's dodging Sting's light attack, even if it's valid, is most likely an outlier too. PoF Erza's speed only yields baseline sub-Rel while Natsu is a bit above Sub-Rel+ and was done by the weaker version of him.

Wahl is obviously outlier, not sure about Irene's Universe One calc tho.

 

[CNBA3]

If Natsu can catch Igneel that matches Acno would be fine

 

[CNBA3]

Natsu's dodging Sting's light attack, even if it's valid, is most likely an outlier too. PoF Erza's speed only yields baseline sub-Rel while Natsu is a bit above Sub-Rel+ and was done by the weaker version of him.

Wahl is obviously outlier, not sure about Irene's Universe One calc tho.

He done it twice, first with Sting's laser and the second time he caught Igneel who scales to Acnologia speed who scales to dragons speed

Wall scales to Brandish who can make nations disappear, even irene's compression would still scale with the calc as it physically squeezed the country

 

[CNBA3]

So CNBA3 made a bunch of calcs that add a bunch of upgrades to the chracters, since 3 calc members agreed to his cals, that means we need to discuss whether or not the calcs are outliers or not and if they make sense in the story, as well my Deus Sema Calc has been upgraded from 228 Gigatons to 500 Gigatons, and Erzas speed has gone from around Mach 6000 to Baseline Sub-Relativistic
Deus Sema Calc: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DemonGodMitchAubin/Irene's_Deus_Sema_Redone

Other Calcs: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:CNBA3/Fairy_Tail_Calcs

Here are the Results of the Calcs:

AP:

Element Four individual strength based on Abyss Break = 330.78 Kilotons (Large Town level)

Iced Shell's Strength = 1.46 Megatons (Small City level)

Irene's Deus Sema = 500 Gigatons (Large Island level+)

Wall's First Laser Beam = 11.69 Teratons (Country level)

Wall's Etherion = 724.88 Teratons (Large Country level)

Irene's Universe One = 862.96 Teratons (Continent level)

SPEED:

Weakened Erza's Speed = 1% SoL (Sub-Relativistic)

Potential Dragon Speed calc = 1% SoL (Sub-Relativistic) Not Accepted Yet

Natsu dodges Sting's Laser = 7% SoL (Sub-Relativistic+)

So let's discuss

Where was it stated to be a Laser Beam for Wall?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Your calc says its Large Town for them

Plus Erza, Natsu and co currently scale to 33 kilotons. Ten times higher is definitely an outlier

 

[CNBA3]

Your calc says its Large Town for them
Plus Erza, Natsu and co currently scale to 33 kilotons. Ten times higher is definitely an outlier

I got rid of the comment I made about the correction, also Erza scales to Ten Wizard Saints level, which Ur's Iced Shell scales to as she is at the level of the Ten Wizard Saints as well, plus there have been massive stat influx for many other verses as well that goes beyond the times higher ratios as well, this would make the most sense as it doesn't go to the extreme. plus the ratio is 17.5X between Town to Large Town

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Why would Erza scale to Wizard Saints?

 

[CNBA3]

Why would Erza scale to Wizard Saints?

because Jellal stated that with the Tower of Heaven requires the body of a person that is on par with one of the Ten Wizard Saints, that is why Erza is chosen because she scales, plus in Phantom, Joses stated that if she hadn't got hit by Jupiter, then Erza would have been evenly matched with him, maybe stronger

 

[BlackeJan]

So basically the only thing we need to talk about is Ur's Ice and Elemental Fours?

I had already disagreed about the Element Fours Power given the fact that Abyss Break needs certain elements to even be made

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Jose never said that. He was saying she could have been a decent fight, not stronger. Thats somethinghe would never admit to when he refuses to do so about Makarov despite Makky having been around for decades longer and with far more experience.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So summarize what changes we are looking at here.

 

[CNBA3]

Jose never said that. He was saying she could have been a decent fight, not stronger. Thats somethinghe would never admit to when he refuses to do so about Makarov despite Makky having been around for decades longer and with far more experience.

Guess I was thinking about Natsu when Erza said that, but that doesn't take away what Jose said that she would be praiaseworthy to fight him, he just doesn't like that wizards like her are in Marakov's guild. still, Erza is stated to have th body equivalent to one of the Ten Wizards Saints.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

That doesn't mean she has the power of one, just the potential, and seeing how strong she gets with one year of training and Second Origin, I am inclined to agree.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Also isn't the E4 charging Abyss break over the course of a few minutes which will then output that power to destroy half of Magnolia. Only Aria would scale since he did it almost immediately alone. But this makes Gajeel scale since he is stronger, Natsu for beating Gajeel, Gray and Elfman for being comparable/a bit weaker, Erza for beating him while already injured etc. etc.

Too many people get affected by this when a lot really shouldn't. And people far stronger than Aria with lesser feats would be scaling to him.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So summarize what changes we are looking at here.

 

[CNBA3]

Erza while weakened managed to beat down a not full powered Jellal who was also a Wizard Saint, who had to stall until his other half returned to him in order to make her the sacrifice, Erza spent most of her power in the fight with Ikaruga, so not really potential as she already demonstrated.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

@DragonM

Assuming all of it is accepted -

>Sub rel Spriggan level characters and possibly even back in the GMG.

>Small City level S-class and S-class candidates plus those who scale.

>Continent level Top tiers like Irene and August.

>Country to Large Country Spriggans and those who scale.

Baseline Sub-rel in the final arc seems fine as does the increase in Deus Sema to Large Island+. Disagree on the others with only Abyss Break being somewhat acceptable if others agree.

 

[CNBA3]

Also isn't the E4 charging Abyss break over the course of a few minutes which will then output that power to destroy half of Magnolia. Only Aria would scale since he did it almost immediately alone. But this makes Gajeel scale since he is stronger, Natsu for beating Gajeel, Gray and Elfman for being comparable/a bit weaker, Erza for beating him while already injured etc. etc.
Too many people get affected by this when a lot really shouldn't. And people far stronger than Aria with lesser feats would be scaling to him.

Though while I agree with how things look with Aira and Gajeel, it would show that Natsu was the one with the most potential, not Erza really, she even said he had it to be able to surpass her. Though the other elements should still scale to 1/4 the strength as they still powered the spell, likely not all of it as they still had to defend the guild hall while Fairy Tail members invaded.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

But it was overtime and not an immediate output like Aria thus only his section would count. But then the others (barring Sol) scale to him anyway for being comparable to other FT members who are around Natsu's level via Gray and Totomaru. And if three of the four are at the same level the last should be the same if not for Beast Soul casually demolishing him.

 

[CNBA3]

Then it should be noted that Elfman can be comparable to non S-Class Elite wizards in FT only when in Berserk Beast mode.

Like I said, since there are FT wizards in Phatom giant, it would be Ill advised for PL's elite members to instantly use all of their magic for the Abyss Break, so it should make sense in that regard, unless someone can calc the rain clouds Juvia made, that would give use an idea

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Problem is that he was physically fighting Gajeel in the Phantom guild hall in Oaktown. He was losing yes, but he was still fine in Base.

If Aria only scaled to the current S-class then it would be fine as it would support Laxus and Gildarts who are superior to them but can still be fought somewhat by S-class level like Erza and Natsu. As it stands too many get upgraded when they show nothing of this level.