Celestial_Scaler25
He/Him- 704
- 616
Hasn't spatial characteristics already been given?Qaws requested the following:
- Spatial Characteristics
- Unless you can prove that their home universe has spatial constructs to rely on, I don't see a method to qualify it. If they can't be defined by space and time then they're abstract rather than transcendent.
- If the universe they come from has spatial characteristics then they would have it since they don't exist in a abstract or transcendental state to their own reality.
- Disproving the possibility of being "Abstract" or "BDE"
- The word "incalculable" could just mean that they are abstract in nature, which would also prevent them from being mathematically proven or comprehended by people like Ben.
- Conceptually BDE exist already in Ben 10, with people like Paradox being accepted as having that as an ability
- Incalculable means it can't be mathematically calculated and the explanation being that they lack aspects of space/time
- Then being imperceivable can be explained with BDE rather than being uncountable infinite-D
- For the above to go from abstract to having a principal foundation of a Von Neumann Hierarchy would mean that you'd have to show that their nature is ultimately bound and quantified by a set theory. Which is a bigger logical leap to me then just "They're abstract due to lacking these characteristics in a franchise where we accept that characters can lack these characteristics."
It's also consistent with beings like the Contumelia, who's forms are unperceivable and Nalgains, who claim that 26D to be unperceivable by lower beings.Each universe following counterintuitive physics. We do know that physics requires spatial characteristics for measurement right?
And since it has already been established that Universes inside space beyond lack spatio-temporal features at some time unless and Annihilarrgh is activated to create spatial and temporal structures, I don't see any reason to assume that the Universe of these aliens would lack it.
Also from the comic itself, those aliens say that their final destination lies on a blue planet in this star system and their main aim was to search the most powerful weapon of Ben's dimension. In order to determine this from their Universe, their tech must be able to detect "position" which is again a spatial characteristic.