Low 1-A Ben 10 Upgrade

[Rosa]

Disagree, this evidence is extremely weak

 

[jgms2008]

hmm I agree with that, by the way an interesting curiosity is that in the Ben 10 universe there is a dimension of ant matter:

 

[Hellformer]

I disagree with Low 1-A for MGQ's reasons. This is flimsy at best.

There's no reasoning from his side to begin with. All he said is that simulated multiverse in common in fiction while completely ignoring them following counterintuitive physics and being labelled as all possible worlds. Would you mind checking the blog yourself? Or maybe you can hold on your vote before a tier 1 expert staff arrives and reads the blog himself

Yeah I'm with you here. Being the birth of creation and encompassing a few multiverses is different from being comparable to a Von Neumann Universe.

That's not the actual reasoning though. Could you please read the blog?

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

mfw "best of all possible worlds" isn't referring to any cosmology thing but is instead hyping up Ben 10 Omniverse as the definitive Ben 10.

 

[Hellformer]

mfw "best of all possible worlds" isn't referring to any cosmology thing

Prove that

but is instead hyping up Ben 10 Omniverse as the definitive Ben 10.

Definitely not, it's referring to focus on Ben's Universe specifically especially when multiple other creations of Annihilarrghs exist as shown in UA.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Prove that

Definition of THE BEST OF ALL (POSSIBLE) WORLDS

the best possible situation… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

It's a common phrase to mean something is the best out of anything else.

If you look at this and don't think it's talking from an outside perspective from the story and not talking about Ben 10: OMNIVERSE as a show then.... Basic reading comprehension which a lot of scalers seem to lack.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

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Count votes smh

 

[Hellformer]

Definition of THE BEST OF ALL (POSSIBLE) WORLDS

the best possible situation… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

It's a common phrase to mean something is the best out of anything else.

That has nothing to do with Ben 10 cosmological stuff.

The first line itself says that the entire Ben 10 Universe is our field of play (as in one complete creation of Annihilarrgh being the focus of story) especially when all possible worlds exist.

If you look at this and don't think it's talking from an outside perspective from the story and not talking about Ben 10: OMNIVERSE as a show then.... Basic reading comprehension which a lot of scalers seem to lack.

If you do not know how exactly Ben 10 cosmology functions then you wouldn't understand the context of certain statements and what has been established prior. Basic knowledge about cosmology of a certain verse is what you seem to lack.
Edit: The same idea is reflected in the end of Ben 10 Omniverse BTW, where the Contumelias say that they are going to create a Universe and label it as "the most interesting one yet" in context to being interesting than other worlds they create. Which aligns with the scan in the OP.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

That has nothing to do with Ben 10 cosmological stuff.

The first line itself says that the entire Ben 10 Universe is our field of play (as in one complete creation of Annihilarrgh being the focus of story) especially when all possible worlds exist.

If you do not know how exactly Ben 10 cosmology functions then you wouldn't understand the context of certain statements and what has been established prior. Basic knowledge about cosmology of a certain verse is what you seem to lack.

lol

The first line itself says that the entire Ben 10 Universe is our field of play (as in one complete creation of Annihilarrgh being the focus of story) especially when all possible worlds exist.

Dunno man seems pretty clear it's referring to "Ben 10 Universe" as being the entire show. Y'know especially when theres stuff like "Megastory", "Season-spanning battle", "Show of power in franchise history" and more.

If you do not know how exactly Ben 10 cosmology functions then you wouldn't understand the context of certain statements and what has been established prior. Basic knowledge about cosmology of a certain verse is what you seem to lack.

You're hiding behind "that's just how ben 10 cosmology is and context says otherwise" when the context is in the scan itself and is talking from a meta perspective about the entire ben 10 franchise. You're just connecting dots that dont connect and are grasping at straws.

There's also the problem of all possible worlds not really meaning anything on its own beyond all that exists in cosmology, and that realms with different space-time and physics also existing doesn't suddenly mean all possible spatial dimensions exists paired with said statement.

 

[Hellformer]

Dunno man seems pretty clear it's referring to "Ben 10 Universe" as being the entire show. Y'know especially when theres stuff like "Megastory", "Season-spanning battle", "Show of power in franchise history" and more.

Megastory as in the entire time wars, time loops happening within Ben's Universe only and not in the other creations of Annihilarrgh. Did you watch the show? Other creations of Annihilarrghs weren't even focused or targeted by the OV Villains while UAF Villains did that.

You're hiding behind "that's just how ben 10 cosmology is and context says otherwise" when the context is in the scan itself and is talking from a meta perspective about the entire ben 10 franchise. You're just connecting dots that dont connect and are grasping at straws.

You're failing to understand the context of what's written and what has been shown to the audience. Can't help if you haven't watch the show properly and aren't aware of certain contexts. I've proved my point with an example in the previous comment which you would obviously ignore.

There's also the problem of all possible worlds not really meaning anything on its own beyond all that exists in cosmology, and that realms with different space-time and physics also existing doesn't suddenly mean all possible spatial dimensions exists paired with said statement.

Yeah that's just nuh uh

 

[Hixkaryana]

You're failing to understand the context of what's written and what has been shown to the audience. Can't help if you haven't watch the show properly and aren't aware of certain contexts. I've proved my point with an example in the previous comment which you would obviously ignore.

You can't expect people to be experts on every single show that's been debated on this Wiki, that's precisely why you need strong arguments to defend your case, hence why so many people disagree with the shown shaky statements.

 

[Hellformer]

You can't expect people to be experts on every single show that's been debated on this Wiki, that's precisely why you need strong arguments to defend your case, hence why so many people disagree with the shown shaky statements.

Then it's better not to comment on certain threads instead of misinterpreting the context. For example I don't comment on threads related to Marvel comics cosmology, simply because I don't understand how things are supposed to work over there and what certain statements imply. Is it that difficult to grasp?

 

[Hixkaryana]

Then it's better not to comment on certain threads instead of misinterpreting the context. For example I don't comment on threads related to Marvel comics cosmology, simply because I don't understand how things are supposed to work over there and what certain statements imply. Is it that difficult to grasp?

I don’t think whoever commented on this thread is completely clueless on the subject but you should go on the basis that everyone including those who haven’t watched the show should seize what you’re saying easily. Maybe you’re right and everyone should agree, but with the shown material they probably can’t.

 

[Robo432343]

 

[Hellformer]

I don’t think whoever commented on this thread is completely clueless on the subject but you should go on the basis that everyone including those who haven’t watched the show should seize what you’re saying easily. Maybe you’re right and everyone should agree, but with the shown material they probably can’t.

If you think so then kindly ask him to prove where exactly were other creations of Annihilarrghs portrayed and targeted with their respective white voids in OV specifically. So that he can make his point clear regarding the context being the entire show. Especially when he has been contradicting whatever that has been established in the cosmology page of this Wiki.

 

[Hixkaryana]

If you think so then kindly ask him to prove where exactly were other creations of Annihilarrghs portrayed and targeted in OV specifically. So that he can make his point clear regarding the context being the entire show. Especially when he has been contradicting whatever that has been established in the cosmology page of this Wiki.

I’ll let him answer I now shall go back into my grave.

 

[DarkMatterEnergy254]

I disagree too, you can't make the cosmology follow an entire theory just because they share a few details

 

[Hellformer]

I disagree too, you can't make the cosmology follow an entire theory just because they share a few details

The OP has explained that it follows all details and you ask him for the specifics ig

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

I disagree with Low 1-A for MGQ's reasons. This is flimsy at best.

But wasn't his reason that I was trying to prove every possible correlation to the Theory but this wasn't the case

The "Possible worlds" , "Unique characteristics" and "different spatiotemporality" comes from Sam's episode where these are backed up by "different spatiotemporality evidence from ghost ship" and "From Author statements that are in contrast to Paradox's statment" (those statements are reliable because Paradox's statment is as same)

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

I disagree too, you can't make the cosmology follow an entire theory just because they share a few details

But it does work on the detail necessary for low out 1-A (every possible spatiotemporality and dimensionality)

 

[Hellformer]

But wasn't his reason that I was trying to prove every possible correlation to the Theory but this wasn't the case

The "Possible worlds" , "Unique characteristics" and "different spatiotemporality" comes from Sam's episode where these are backed up by "different spatiotemporality evidence from ghost ship" and "From Author statements that are in contrast to Paradox's statment" (those statements are reliable because Paradox's statment is as same)

I've countered MGQ's reasons

 

[DarkMatterEnergy254]

The OP has explained that it follows all details and you ask him for the specifics ig

Yeah I read all the blog and I can see the similarities but they are only that, some of them are too vague like the one of the contumelia seeing the universe as a simulation just because of the computers

 

[Hellformer]

Yeah I read all the blog and I can see the similarities but they are only that, some of them are too vague like the one of the contumelia seeing the universe as a simulation just because of the computers

That's literally what the premise and the theory is. Ask the OP for more clarifications if you feel like something is missing.

 

[DarkMatterEnergy254]

But it does work on the detail necessary for low out 1-A (every possible spatiotemporality and dimensionality)

I don't really see how some of them help the cosmology to be Low 1-A, like de statements of Derrick and Duncan about the multiverse being infinite, because they are only talking about ben 10 universes (I know that universes in ben 10 scale higher than Low 2-C, but I don't really know how having an infinite number of 6D or 25D universes will really help to argue the theory)

 

[Hellformer]

I don't really see how some of them help the cosmology to be Low 1-A, like de statements of Derrick and Duncan about the multiverse being infinite, because they are only talking about ben 10 universes (I know that universes in ben 10 scale higher than Low 2-C, but I don't really know how having an infinite number of 6D or 25D universes will really help to argue the theory)

The premise isn't about each universe being 6-D, likely 25-D. More like comprising all possible worlds with distinct laws of physics and following postulates of ToE to reach that tier. I hope this doesn't confuse you.

 

[DarkMatterEnergy254]

The premise isn't about each universe being 6-D, likely 25-D. More like comprising all possible worlds with distinct laws of physics and following postulates of ToE to reach that tier. I hope this doesn't confuse you.

Alright but how exactly having infinite 6D/25D universes makes the cosmology have all the possible worlds, and the scan about the ben 10 annigilargh universe being the best of all possible worlds wouldn't help at all since well, it's just a name and the scan talks about young ben adventures and other things like paradox saying that other universes have different laws wouldn't proof that ben 10 Omniverse encompass all possible dimensional spaces, just proofs about that Ben 10 universes are separated by space time

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

Yeah I'm with you here. Being the birth of creation and encompassing a few multiverses is different from being comparable to a Von Neumann Universe.

But it's not even my reasoning for low 1-A
Please read blog (specially toe section, Ben 10 has Jürgen's ToE or at least ToE in general)